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Hello All,
So I have been watching DB since I was 5 but as I grow older, I have been having a hard time in understanding the ultimate forms or should I say, beyond the limit powers of these 3 characters: Gohan's Ultimate Form, Vegeta's Evolution, Goku's Kaio Ken.
We all know that each of them starts at the:
1. Base form
2. SSJ
3. SSJ2
For Goku's case, he has
4. SSJ3 as the next level (Both Vegeta and Gohan don't have it and I still don't know why). For Vegeta, it may be a plain rationale that he doesn't want it or he doesn't know how to control his Ki at a certain level between SSJ2 and his SSJ God or Blue. He admits that he needed to be trained by Whis in order to fully control his Ki. So that may settle it. For Gohan's case, it could be the lack of training which brought him in a scenario that without his Ultimate Form, he can only go as far as SSJ2.
Let's talk about his Ultimate form further, many believe that his Ultimate Form is the end of it and can't go any further even if he tries to train more and more because they believe that his full potential has already been unleashed/unlocked by the two Gods (Namek and Great King Kai). Even if he achieved SSJ3 and up, he won't be able to surpass his Ultimate Form. I contest it, and here's why.
The elder namek only unleashed his potential at that certain point in time when he was a child facing an overpowered Freeza. And having his potential unlocked by Grand Kai later meant that he already achieved access to all his power, and so going Super Saiyan wouldn't do anything for him while in his Ultimate form according to Manga.
So what will happen now if continuously train like his father and Vegeta? Well, the answer is simple, he will exceed every form he has now and that includes surpassing his Ultimate Form because it is not limited to that. Piccollo even stated that he doesn't believe in Gohan saying that is already how far he could go. He can still be stronger and perhaps became the strongest just like what Vegeta and Goku always believed in. His Ultimate Form is his ultimate form at the current point in time and with more trainings, he will be able to achieve even higher feat. And with regards to the appearance of it, I speculate that it will be the same with his black hair and the reason for that is that, it's his choice and he is half-human, half-saiyan. So imagine a fusion between human a saiyan, Gohan is what got.
So what about the Blue Evolution of Vegeta? Well, the answer is simple, Vegeta always wanted to be equal and might as well defeat Goku but he didn't undergo the same training as the latter. So if Goku can multiply his Blue form x10+ by going Kaio Ken, Vegeta's way of doing this is through Evolution. There's no way, he will force himself to acquire the same technique as his nemesis does. It's fucking Vegeta of the Saiyan Royalty.
What do you guys think? May need a little clarification and enlightenment on the subject matter.
@Nessos
So I have been watching DB since I was 5 but as I grow older, I have been having a hard time in understanding the ultimate forms or should I say, beyond the limit powers of these 3 characters: Gohan's Ultimate Form, Vegeta's Evolution, Goku's Kaio Ken.
We all know that each of them starts at the:
1. Base form
2. SSJ
3. SSJ2
For Goku's case, he has
4. SSJ3 as the next level (Both Vegeta and Gohan don't have it and I still don't know why). For Vegeta, it may be a plain rationale that he doesn't want it or he doesn't know how to control his Ki at a certain level between SSJ2 and his SSJ God or Blue. He admits that he needed to be trained by Whis in order to fully control his Ki. So that may settle it. For Gohan's case, it could be the lack of training which brought him in a scenario that without his Ultimate Form, he can only go as far as SSJ2.
Let's talk about his Ultimate form further, many believe that his Ultimate Form is the end of it and can't go any further even if he tries to train more and more because they believe that his full potential has already been unleashed/unlocked by the two Gods (Namek and Great King Kai). Even if he achieved SSJ3 and up, he won't be able to surpass his Ultimate Form. I contest it, and here's why.
The elder namek only unleashed his potential at that certain point in time when he was a child facing an overpowered Freeza. And having his potential unlocked by Grand Kai later meant that he already achieved access to all his power, and so going Super Saiyan wouldn't do anything for him while in his Ultimate form according to Manga.
So what will happen now if continuously train like his father and Vegeta? Well, the answer is simple, he will exceed every form he has now and that includes surpassing his Ultimate Form because it is not limited to that. Piccollo even stated that he doesn't believe in Gohan saying that is already how far he could go. He can still be stronger and perhaps became the strongest just like what Vegeta and Goku always believed in. His Ultimate Form is his ultimate form at the current point in time and with more trainings, he will be able to achieve even higher feat. And with regards to the appearance of it, I speculate that it will be the same with his black hair and the reason for that is that, it's his choice and he is half-human, half-saiyan. So imagine a fusion between human a saiyan, Gohan is what got.
So what about the Blue Evolution of Vegeta? Well, the answer is simple, Vegeta always wanted to be equal and might as well defeat Goku but he didn't undergo the same training as the latter. So if Goku can multiply his Blue form x10+ by going Kaio Ken, Vegeta's way of doing this is through Evolution. There's no way, he will force himself to acquire the same technique as his nemesis does. It's fucking Vegeta of the Saiyan Royalty.
What do you guys think? May need a little clarification and enlightenment on the subject matter.
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Akira simply fucked my man Gohan over Post Cell Saga with that bullshit called "Great Saiyaman", just so he could have a gag or chuckle here and there. Then few years later we got the same shit with Toppo and the that Universe of love
Gohan who has numerously been hinted at as he's a half saiyan and half human so his power should be greater than his own father due his heritage of both by using the saiyan lineage with the emotional side of the human. Then we got the treatment long over due in Cell then we got the crap like i've said and the whole Nerd side of him which was a whole crap as DB in a nutshell stopped making sense.
Gohan by the logic of being more powerful than his father should have had Gohan accessed SS3/SSJ3 form back in Majin Buu Saga, but instead we got the whole Mystic/Ultimate form which was a way to say Gohan doesn't need SS3/SSJ3 as he's got his own form and its much different and unique to him.
Gohan then got shafted again in DBS as Freiza got the favored treatment and was more popular. When we finally got a Gohan moment it was for a few seconds as he got the huge shaft with the others like Piccolo and Krillin (with the whole hair shenanigan)
Gohan by logic though should have accessed his own Mystic Level 2 or a God variation, as Future Trunks accessed his Rage/Berserk mode by being in the presence of God aura, i believe. Therefore Gohan should have his own right?
Though this Mystic/Ultimate form looks no different than his base form, which is irritating as iirc back in DBZ his Mystic/Ultimate form had that Purple type aura when powering up and yet that got scrapped.
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About SS3 Goku only achieved that due training while he was dead. Vegeta was never dead for long enough to reach this form.
Ultimate Gohan was like being able to reach his the power of higher forms without transforming. So he didn't need to waste ki to transform. Thus He was able to reach power like SS3 Goku without the need of the SS3 transformation.
(I have to check again, but maybe DBS manga brought back ultimate Gohan)
SSG/SSB is something different. SSG is like a new base form with a new kind of Ki. (One could compare it to Sage mode of Naruto).
The new baseform already stronger then SS3 and SSB is SS of SSG.
(SSB + Kaioken and Rage Trunks is Anime only and doesn't exist in the Manga. And if I remember right Gohan also didn't have his God Ultimate in Manga. But for the latter I would check back)
Now we have Vegeta who reached SSB2 a form Goku didn't reached.
Goku now learned Ultra Instinct. One could call Ultra Instinct also SS Angel, a new Base Form. The power of Ultra Instinct is beyond anything one could achieve with SSG and thus far above Vegetas SSB2.
Thats how I understood the different forms.
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Since Cell DB Power levels became shit >.>
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Completly disagree with this statement.
One could that Namek still had reasonable powerlvls, but Cell definetly not.
I mean stuff like Piccolo super power up through fusing with god or Tien holding up Cell 2nd form (even so it was only for a short moment) just felt wrong.
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They introduced the Namek Fusion on Namek. Piccolo when fused with Kami just went from superior to Frieza to C-17 equal.
I never had a problem with Tien holding Cell because in DB you always had weaker people using their powers to hold stronger characters down. Tien nearly died in the process, just to gain some seconds
I never had a problem with Tien holding Cell because in DB you always had weaker people using their powers to hold stronger characters down. Tien nearly died in the process, just to gain some seconds
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Namek fusion is not the Problem. Nail was as strong as Piccolo and that was a reasonable powerboost. But the powerboost from fusing with God was a way to extreme in my opinion.
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The real question is how strong was the son of Katas before splitting up ?
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What we know about that is he had a "great power", and I assume that that is equal to the level of Piccolo's power immediately after fusing with Kami.
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i have not caught up, but when first saw this image i thought goku was doing some weird pose with his legs,before was like wait...Was about time that Goku unlocks Mangekyou Sharingan thus we finally get to see his Susanoo!!!
lmao
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7 Days left until we learn more about the next Arc of Dragon Ball super.
In my opinion it was the best arc of DBS so far.