One Piece Olvia And Saul Are Alive? The Formation Of The Revolutionary Army

Part 1: The Aftermath Of Ohara
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First of all, to all of you that don't even think this is a possibility, try to keep an open mind. Don't take my word for it:

SJ(Shonen Jump): "How do you keep track of the hundreds of recurring side characters? Do you plan far in advance for their reappearance?"

Oda Sensei: "Sometimes it’s planned and other times it’s not. And sometimes a character I totally forgot about ends up returning. The longer the series goes on, the more the number of characters just continues to increase. But one thing about One Piece that might be different compared to other series is that the defeated villains are usually still alive. So I can bring back anyone. Every character has the chance to return."


-Echiiro Oda, Jump Fest 2018 Interview


So yes, it most definitely is a possibility. Moving on.....


Saul Is Alive!



A lot of people think that Saul died because he was frozen solid, but we know that isn’t necessarily true. Aokiji has frozen several people throughout the story, and yet not a single one of them was killed by it.












With the exception of Jozu losing his right arm, nobody in any of these cases sustained so much as a minor injury, let alone actually dying (yes, even the den den mushi survived). They either broke out instantly (Whitebeard & Doflamingo) or they were thawed out before any harm was done.


Not only that, but Aokiji specifically used a move called “Ice Time Capsule" when he froze Saul, the only time this technique was ever used.


For those of you that don’t know, the concept of a time capsule is to bury something for preservation until it is rediscovered in the future. The fact that Oda decided to use this name for Aokiji’s technique leads me to believe that it was symbolic, intentionally foreshadowing Saul’s significance in the future of the story.

So what could have thawed him out? I dunno, maybe the fires that were conveniently raging throughout the island……



Based on this, I'd like to conclude that Saul was not killed by Aokiji. Of course, this isn't enough to prove that he made it off Ohara safely.




As for Olvia and the rest of the scholars.....

Despite the fact that the purpose of the Buster Call was specifically to eliminate them, we didn't see a single one of them die. There was an ample amount of opportunities to kill at least ONE scholar, but it never happened. Clover was shot, and Olvia was attacked by CP9 and almost beaten to death. Later, the government agents were right about to shoot another scholar, but they conveniently decided to leave them to die at the hands of the Buster Call.


Even Professor Clover, who was shot in the chest, is last seen throwing books into the lake alongside the rest of the scholars. Here is the last panel we see of them:



So this is not an opinion, it's a fact: we didn't see a single scholar die during the buster call on Ohara.


The next day, a group of marines was sent to Ohara to check for survivors.


While searching the island, the one thing that would've confirmed the deaths of Saul and the scholars is conspicuously absent: dead bodies. It is very apparent in the manga (and even more obvious in the anime) that there were no corpses, skeletons, or any sort of remains to be seen anywhere. The only thing they found were the books in the lake, which brings me to my next point:


There were only books in the lake. Somehow, none of the burning debris fell in there (which makes absolutely no sense since the tree was right next to it). Wouldn't that theoretically make the lake a safe spot? The scholars could have easily jumped into the lake after saving as many books as possible. Then again, even if this is a possibility, their morale was crushed and they had given up hope. It's too far-reaching and still wouldn't explain how they were able to escape the island. That's where our favorite Revolutionary Army Leader comes in:


This may seem like a bold claim, but I think there are more than enough hints to reasonably hypothesize that Monkey D. Dragon actually saved and recruited the scholars of Ohara.

Before you rule this out as a possibility, please try to keep an open mind. Up until this point, I have proven that Saul, Olvia, and the rest of the scholars have NOT been confirmed dead, and there is room for speculation.)


The Formation of the Revolutionary Army


In the Vivre Card Databook Volume 3, Oda gives us some hints about how the revolutionary army was created.


The first 2 bullet points give us a lot of clues. By combining them, we can conclude that someone or something specifically 19-24 years ago made him aware of how inhumane the government truly is and directly led to him founding the Revolutionary Army. If it was someone, It would be a conversation we don't know about yet, like perhaps Rayleigh telling him the truth behind the void century. If it was something, then it was most likely a specific event he witnessed that displayed the government's cruelty.

The Library of Ohara website has a remarkably extensive timeline of every single event in the One Piece story, so I decided to read through all the events that happened around that time. There are plenty of possible things that could be considered, for example:
  • The Tragedy of Flevance, in which the government essentially killed a nation out of greed ~16 years ago
  • Fisher Tiger's raid on Mariejois to free the slaves ~16 years ago
  • Lucci killing 500 marine hostages despite being on their side ~17 years
But all of these events are just barely after Luffy was born, which disqualifies them from being the reason Dragon created the Revolutionary Army. On top of that, none of them seem impactful enough to incite a revolution. The only event (that we know of) that took place between Roger's death and Luffy's birth that displayed the government's cruelty is none other than the Tragedy of Ohara. It was an event that took place 22 years ago in which an entire island was destroyed at the orders of the Gorosei. It perfectly fits the description given in the Vivrecard Databook.

(Of course, it could be an event we just haven't seen, but I'm speculating based on what we know.)


Striking Similarities To The Burning Of Grey Terminal


Remember how I mentioned the lack of corpses on Ohara? Well coincidentally, Grey Terminal had the same problem:


Obviously, we know there were fewer corpses than expected here because Dragon was shown saving several of the victims. Despite this, Grey Terminal still had some corpses. Based on this logic, if the Oharan scholars burned to death, there should have been corpses there as well. (This is actually consistent with real-world biochemistry, as human bones don't disintegrate or melt even if exposed to a fire for a prolonged period of time.) Even with "anime logic", there is no reason that Saul's giant corpse didn't leave any remains.


It's not only the lack of corpses. The incidents themselves are very similar.


  • In both incidents, a town is burned to the ground in order to protect the interests of the Celestial Dragons. (Grey Terminal for St. Jalmack & Ohara for the Gorosei)

  • Innocent people were killed, but it was "rationalized" by the opposition.



  • When it seems like there is no chance of escaping from the fire, everyone gives up hope. Soon after, Dragon appears and saves them. (Of course, this part is still an unconfirmed theory at this point for Ohara.)



  • A group is sent to investigate the wreckage the day after, and there are fewer corpses than there should be.



  • A child that was presumed dead in the fire turned out to be alive. (Ace and Robin)

  • There were even some very strong similarities in how the scenery was drawn in some instances.


every detail from the perspective it is drawn from to the direction of the flames is very similar.



Also, when Dragon made a path for the Grey Terminal survivors to escape, it made a U-shape:






Coincidentally, there was an unnatural looking U-shaped hole in the base of the tree on Ohara. Could this have also been foreshadowing?



It could definitely end up just being a random coincidence, but I felt like it was at least worth pointing out.



Rationalizing Dragon's Title as "The World's Most Wanted Criminal"
(I'm assuming this implies that he has a ridiculously high bounty, most likely the highest in the entire series.)
Dragon having one of the highest bounties in the world is due to several different factors, but it still doesn't add up. If it was simply for being powerhouse aiming to take down the World Government, then Sabo's bounty should definitely be higher than 602,000,000 berries, being the second in command. Even Fisher Tiger directly attacked Mariejois and freed slaves, and still only had a 230,000,000 berry bounty.

So what makes him deserving of such a high bounty? He wasn't even deemed a threat until a few years ago. I believe he must have done something much more egregious to be given this title. If the government recently found out that he saved several archeologists that were studying the poneglyphs, his bounty would've skyrocketed. To put it in perspective: an 8-year old girl who just recently learned how to read to poneglyphs was given a 79,000,000 berry bounty. The Oharan scholars were not only much more adept than Robin, but they also were led by presumably the greatest archeologist in the world, Professor Clover. On top of that, they have already correctly deduced a significant amount of information pertaining to the Void Century and essentially got their hypothesis "confirmed" by the reaction of the Gorosei. If the government found out that Dragon not only secretly rescued them, but is harboring and assisting them as well? That, in addition to being a powerhouse that directly opposes the World Government, would justify his bounty and status as the world's most wanted criminal.

This would also rationalize why Cipher Pol is the main government force that deals with him. Unlike the marine admirals, who deal with the major issues like when a celestial dragon gets punched in the face or when a Yonko declares war, Cipher Pol deals with operations regarding secret information. For example, CP9 sent a Buster Call to Ohara because of the Poneglyphs and research on the void century, and went to Water 7 to retrieve the blueprints of the ancient weapon Pluton. CP0 dealt with Doflamingo's false news report (most likely so that he would conceal whatever secret it is that he is holding over them), and they also deal with any underworld operations like with Mother Caramel and Orochi.

So why is it that they actively seek out Dragon and the Revolutionary Army? If it's simply because he's planning to attack them, then he would be dealt with just like Whitebeard. But no - they are targeting Dragon because the secret he is carrying is far more dangerous than any physical threat, probably something so dangerous that he was given the title of "World's Most Wanted Criminal". Has it come full circle yet? :sneaky:

Although this is kind of minor, it would also explain why Akainu seems to have such a strong disdain towards Dragon. If we look back at the Buster Call, he was the one who made extra sacrifices in the hopes of ensuring the deaths of any scholars.



Despite his methods being ruthless, his genuine goal was to eliminate the scholars for the greater good. If he ever found out that his efforts back then were completely thwarted by Dragon rescuing all of them, it makes sense for Akainu to have some sort of resentment towards him.



That's it for Part 1! Please continue on to Part 2 below!
 
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Part 2: Potential Future Plot Points and FAQ
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Future Plot Points - Nico Olvia
We already know that the Revolutionary Army is going to be very relevant in the near future since they are currently invading Mariejois. We have been given (pretty obvious) clues about them being there.


This may be a reach, but I also think there is a chance we may have actually seen Olvia at the Reverie as well.



I find this last picture to be very interesting. Throughout the entire Reverie, there are several kings or queens that are named, or clearly recognizable as inspired by a real-world country. This picture, in particular, has from left to right: Imperial China (represented by the Kano Kingdom), Nazi Germany, Great Britain, and Spain (represented by Dressrosa). We also are aware of a few other ones, like Canada represented by the Sakura Kingdom (formerly called Drum Kingdom) and Egypt represented by Alabasta. Ironically, the woman in the middle of these identifiable characters is never named and doesn't seem to represent any country that I can think of in particular.

What she says is very interesting as well. While the others next to her are saying that they would need more than 7 days to discuss everything, she has a sly look on her face and conversely claims that it will end quickly (which, in retrospect, we find out is correct). Could she have seen some crows outside, or maybe noticed Sabo among the guards, or something else that alerted her that her revolutionary comrades are on the move?

In terms of her particular importance in the future of the story, I think the fact that Olvia was the sole survivor of her 6-year expedition is extremely significant. That means she has 6 years of research and information regarding the poneglyphs they found that isn't recorded anywhere (other than the actual poneglyphs themselves). Some books of their past findings were saved by being thrown into a lake, but the information gathered from the 6-year expedition is completely lost forever if Olvia is dead.





Future Plot Points - Jaguar D. Saul

As for Saul, I can definitely see some potential plot points. The obvious one revolves around him being a bearer of the will of "D", of course, so I won't talk about that too much.

Ohara is in the West Blue, and although this isn't confirmed, I think the giant island he grew up on is also in the West Blue since that's where the majority of his known story took place. He talked about how the giants from his island were nothing like the barbaric giants of Elbaf. Could Morley have been from this island as well, and was Saul the one who helped Dragon recruit him? Morley doesn't quite seem like the Elbaf type, so this would make sense. After all, Morley is the commander of the West Blue.


Speaking of non-barbaric giants associated with the West Blue, there is actually another one that I didn't mention: Sanjuan Wolf. In the Vivrecard Databook Volume 3 (the same one I referenced above for Dragon), it was not only revealed that he was born in the West Blue, but also confirms the existence of a giant village there. Although he's obviously a heinous criminal (as he was imprisoned in level 6 of Impel Down and is now under Blackbeard), he doesn't seem "barbaric" in nature like the giants of Elbaf, so it makes sense.


Dragon did already have a brief run-in with the Blackbeard Pirates on Baltigo, and there could have been an interaction between Saul, Morley, and Sanjuan Wolf - who potentially all came from that same village. There might be an interesting dynamic between them.

(Just in case you were interested, to give a perspective: If Saul is alive, he would currently be 127 years old. Sanjuan Wolf is 99 years old, and Morley is 160 years old. In "giant" years, they aren't that far apart.)



That pretty much concludes my theory, but I'll be addressing some common questions that I received in the past regarding this theory:


FAQ:


If Olvia and the scholars were saved, why did the revolutionaries at Tequila Wolf refer to Robin as the "sole survivor of Ohara"?

In the Vivrecard Databook Volume 3 (posted above in Part 1), it states that there is a secret that Dragon keeps from his subordinates, and even if they found out they would still be loyal to them. Due to the nature of the implications, it's most likely something controversial. What if he hid the fact that some of the revolutionaries were scholars of Ohara? Theoretically speaking, they would have been the founding members and there would have been nobody that preceded them.

As for why Dragon would keep it hidden, I could see it being to preserve and conceal their identity. It could be viewed as similar to how Fisher Tiger got rid of the slave branding from his crewmates with the sun crest tattoo so that nobody would be distinguished as a former slave. (Not a perfect comparison, but I think it gets the point across.)

To be completely fair, Dragon was taking in people from all sorts of places. Grey Terminal, for example, was a lawless area full of pirates and crooks. Despite that, he indiscriminately recruited anyone that wanted to join. Imagine if someone like Caribou was there. If you give that information out carelessly, it will eventually get leaked, which puts them all at danger once again. I feel like hiding their existence would be in the best interests of the scholars and the revolutionary army as a whole.

Why was the Revolutionary Army looking for Robin if they already have people that can decipher the poneglyphs?

Well because Olvia wanted to be reunited with her daughter, naturally.


Why didn't Robin mention any of this to the rest of the crew?

She didn't even mention Sabo or Dragon to Luffy, and she didn't mention Hack or Koala to Jimbei. Why would she mention the fact that her supposedly dead mother and others from her hometown survived? I will say though, I think it's awfully convenient that we didn't see a single interaction from Robin on Baltigo during the time skip. Not even in a flashback. It has been almost 400 chapters since then. Don't you think Oda is withholding information intentionally?

Are you sure that's Olvia at the Reverie? It doesn't even look like her, Olvia isn't that young.

Keep in mind that the last time we saw Olvia was 22 years ago. We saw how much Robin's character design changed after just 2 years, so Olvia is expected to look quite a bit different than before.

Also, age can be very misleading in the One Piece world. Dragon doesn't look very different from Roger's execution to now (excluding the tattoo, of course), despite the fact that its been 24 years. Sengoku didn't look that old during the Marineford War, but he was actually 77 years old. Now, 2 years later, his solid black hair has turned completely white. Shakki doesn't look old, but she is 64 years old.

In comparison, if Olvia was alive in the current storyline she'd only be 55 years old. (Coincidentally the same age as Dragon, do what you want with that information LOL)

Regardless, the theory doesn't hinge on this particular point in any way. It's just a little observation that I wanted to mention ;)


Doesn't this negatively affect Robin's importance in the series?

I don't believe this at all. According to Tamago, there are 30 poneglyphs in total. By the end of the Wano arc, the straw hats will most likely have the information of 10 poneglyphs in total, more or less, if you include the ones from Robin's childhood.

Ask yourself this question: Do you think that Robin and the straw hats will continue to find 20 more poneglyphs throughout their journey? I definitely don't. I think they will get some help regardless, whether its help from the revolutionary army or some rubbings of poneglyphs at Raftel. As Rayleigh stated, I think the most significant thing will be the "answer" they come to after figuring out the ancient history.


It is stated that Vice Admirals all use haki, and 5 of them were present during the Buster Call. Why weren't any of them able to sense Dragon with their observation haki?

Surprisingly, I found a very detailed answer to this question. Most people probably overlooked or ignored this, but Oda assigned specific cardinal directions for each shore where anything relevant was happening on Ohara. This makes it possible to draw out a map of where everything happened on the island. It is stated several times that the West Shore is where the evacuation ship is located.







Based on that, I'm able to label the 4 cardinal directions on this makeshift map:



We know Akainu's ship, while facing the island, fired to its right to destroy the evacuation ship, which puts him and the rest of the battleships at the Northwest Shore. This is consistent with the fact that Saul's Hideout was also at the Northwest Shore, and he could see the Buster Call coming straight towards him.

In the background of this panel, you can see the canon and the evacuation ship to the right of Akainu.


You can even count all 10 of the battleships in this panel alone.


Later on, we find out the Robin departs from another island northeast of Ohara. If she ended up on an island northeast of Ohara, and got there by traveling on the straight path that Aokiji set out for her, then it can be deduced that she was at the Northeast Shore. This is a complete map of the events of Ohara:



I know it seems like we've deviated from the point, so back to the question: Why couldn't the Vice Admirals sense Dragon if he saved the archeologists? Well, the vice admirals were on the Northwest Shore while Aokiji was on the Northeast Shore helping Robin escape, and they never even sensed him. So how could any of them have foreseen, say, someone coming from the completely unoccupied South Shore of Ohara?


The answer is simple: they couldn't. If Dragon happened to come from the South Shore of Ohara, they would have never known.​

(As for why I chose the South Shore in particular, it's the farthest point on the island from both Aokiji at the Northeast and the Akainu at the Northwest. I could elaborate on how their distance to the South Shore is mathematically 31% farther than the distance between each other, but I'm sure you guys already get the point :ROFLMAO:)


This may be a bit of overkill, but this whole thing actually showed me another potential similarity between Grey Terminal and Ohara. Can you guess from which side of the island Dragon saved Grey Terminal from?



The southern sky, huh? Again, this part could be a coincidence, but it seems just a bit too convenient for me to not mention.




Overall, to summarize what I have deduced:

Saul was not killed by Aokiji, and none of the scholars were confirmed to be dead.
Dragon arrived at Ohara, specifically from the South Shore, and saved Saul, Olvia, and the rest of the scholars, just like Grey Terminal.
The Tragedy of Ohara was the reason he created the Revolutionary Army, and the survivors were his founding members.
The secret that Dragon keeps from his followers (referenced in Vivrecard Databook Vol. 3) is that some of them are Oharan scholars.
The main reason Dragon is considered "the most wanted criminal" is because the government found out that he saved the scholars.


If you got this far, thanks for reading my theory! If you have any thoughts or criticisms, I'll look forward to seeing your comments down below!
 
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Something I've been considering lately is the purpose of theories. Is the point to convince people, or just to preach to whoever will listen? The conclusion I came to was that I shouldn't worry too much about getting people on my side so much as creating a shadow of a doubt.

I came into this theory thinking that all of this couldn't possibly be, but you have most certainly created a shadow of a doubt. Great work! Very well organized, good logical flow, and overall just an enjoyable read.

Also quite informative, I didn't know that human bone doesn't disintegrate when burned. I thought that must be a mistake because of cremation, but no, human "ash" is actually the unburnt bones reduced to powder. Macabre, but also convenient for this theory.

I think my main question is why Dragon would be in West Blue at that time in the first place, though. That's the literal opposite side of the world, and if he hadn't started the Revolutionary Army yet, would he really have had the resources to cross both the Red and Grand Lines at the time? I suppose he could have been brought there by Garp, who he also could have heard about the Buster Call from, but as far as we know, Garp wasn't present, and if he were in West Blue or even at Marineford at the time, he probably would have been dispatched I imagine. I definitely can see Kuzan having preserved Saul rather than killing him, as well as some number of Oharans escaping, but I just have a really hard time seeing how Dragon would have been involved if he wasn't already a Revolutionary. I'm sure Oda would give a perfectly sound explanation, but that one detail just isn't clicking for me right now.

Either way, though, like I said, this was a really great read, and I can't wait to see what else you come up with.
 
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Something I've been considering lately is the purpose of theories. Is the point to convince people, or just to preach to whoever will listen? The conclusion I came to was that I shouldn't worry too much about getting people on my side so much as creating a shadow of a doubt.
I agree with this 100%. From what I've seen, the craziest theories that actually come true do just that. People tend to take a lot of things at face value, but if you can formulate a logical argument, we might find that something we thought was a fact isn't quite true. Momonosuke is 8 years old, so it's impossible for him to have met Roger, isn't that right? Kanjuro was willing to die with the rest of the scabbards, so there is no way he could have been the traitor all along, right? Sabo can't be alive and with the Revolutionary Army, Robin would have told Luffy, and he would have been at Marineford......

Although these are all very reasonable conclusions, we later find out that they are wrong due to an assumption made by us, the fanbase. Poking holes in the general consensus and coming up with a logical alternative; I believe these are the most compelling and enjoyable theories to read. For me, I challenged the consensus that Saul, Olvia, and the scholars of Ohara are dead, and came up with what I thought to be a very possible alternative.

I think my main question is why Dragon would be in West Blue at that time in the first place, though. That's the literal opposite side of the world, and if he hadn't started the Revolutionary Army yet, would he really have had the resources to cross both the Red and Grand Lines at the time? I suppose he could have been brought there by Garp, who he also could have heard about the Buster Call from, but as far as we know, Garp wasn't present, and if he were in West Blue or even at Marineford at the time, he probably would have been dispatched I imagine. I definitely can see Kuzan having preserved Saul rather than killing him, as well as some number of Oharans escaping, but I just have a really hard time seeing how Dragon would have been involved if he wasn't already a Revolutionary. I'm sure Oda would give a perfectly sound explanation, but that one detail just isn't clicking for me right now.

Either way, though, like I said, this was a really great read, and I can't wait to see what else you come up with.


Now this point is something I have tried to find an answer to, but you're completely right - as of right now, with the information we have, there is no reason to think Dragon would be in the West Blue. Was he a marine that happened to be stationed there at the time? Did he just happen to be traveling around and coincidentally pass by Ohara? Was he on his way to Ohara because of his interest in the Void Century? Did he even know the buster call was about to happen? Was it fate? Who knows.

While I can't directly answer why he was there, I can definitely make an argument that he could get there. We know that when Dragon saved Sabo, he presumably carried him and used his devil fruit abilities to fly all the way from Goa Kingdom to Shimotsuki Village where his ship was docked. Would this make it possible for him to travel over the Red Line?

I'd also like to bring up that we may have seen a devil fruit user use their abilities to fly up the Red Line before. When Laffitte went to suggest Blackbeard as a new warlord to replace Crocodile, it was never explained how he got to the top of the Red Line. There are really only 2 possibilities: either he used his hypnotic powers to ride the gondola, or he flew up there with his ability. It's not definite, but I felt like it was worth mentioning.

Anyways, glad you enjoyed the theory! I'll try to post some more soon!
 
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I think my main question is why Dragon would be in West Blue at that time in the first place, though. That's the literal opposite side of the world, and if he hadn't started the Revolutionary Army yet, would he really have had the resources to cross both the Red and Grand Lines at the time?
I habe no doubts about Dragon being able to reach other Blues at that time. I mean Dragon was already 34 years old back then.

Sure we don't know what kind of man Dragon was and what he did decades before founding the RA, but do you really believe He was just an ordinary citizen of Foosha Village?

Chapter 100 and Chaoter 1 (strong World Special) implied he was connected to Roger. So he most likely met Roger before he got exectuted and also didn't Just travel Back to Foosha Village after Rogers execution.

For thats not a question that really needs to be answered for this theory.



Leaving this aside I still doubt that Saul and Olivia are still alive. The theory is great and the Points are valid. But for its the same as the Odens, Kuina, ... being still alive theories. For me it destroys the Drama of the past, it feels Just wrong that noone tried to save or contacted Robin. And with that this would also be the greatest weak point is still this:
If Olvia and the scholars were saved, why did the revolutionaries at Tequila Wolf refer to Robin as the "sole survivor of Ohara"?

Nevertheless the theory is well written and there many cool stuff in between the lines.
The connection between Saul, Morley and San Juan Wolf is a really nice catch a real gold mine for future theories. All 3 being from the same Island would be quiet interisting
Maybe Morley is related to Saul, Jaguar D Morley :pepethinking:

@Nicolo Makaveli might be interisted in that part too. Especially after he started to spoil me about one of his Future theories.

But also @Rej with Elbaf conspiracy theory xD
 
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I habe no doubts about Dragon being able to reach other Blues at that time. I mean Dragon was already 34 years old back then.

Sure we don't know what kind of man Dragon was and what he did decades before founding the RA, but do you really believe He was just an ordinary citizen of Foosha Village?
Such an obvious point, and yet it went straight past me. Good catch 😅

Drama of the past, it feels Just wrong that noone tried to save or contacted Robin.
This isn't quite true. The revolutionary that found her in Tequila Wolf said they'd been searching for her for over a decade. Robin was constantly moving, changing affiliations often to evade the World Government. If they couldn't catch her for 20 years, it's not unreasonable to conclude that the revolutionaries were unsuccessful as well.

As for the part about her being mentioned as the sole survivor of Ohara, I mentioned this to Tokiro above: just because you have a reasonable, logical conclusion based on factual information doesn't mean that it's true. It is 100% reasonable and logical to say that 8 year old Momo couldn't have possibly met Roger, who died over 2 decades ago. That being said, we later get an alternative reasonable explanation as to why that is.

The theory is great and the Points are valid. But for its the same as the Odens, Kuina, ... being still alive theories.
I personally haven't read any "Oden is alive" theories with convincing evidence, but definitely send a link if you know of any. I'd be happy to read it.

As for Kuina, I think we can all agree that there is some mystery around her supposed death, and we only really disagree on the details. I have a theory for her coming soon too....one that you guys have probably never heard before.....hehehehe

Thanks for the feedback tho, I really appreciate it!
 
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This isn't quite true. The revolutionary that found her in Tequila Wolf said they'd been searching for her for over a decade. Robin was constantly moving, changing affiliations often to evade the World Government. If they couldn't catch her for 20 years, it's not unreasonable to conclude that the revolutionaries were unsuccessful as well.
Olivia would be too smart :D



I personally haven't read any "Oden is alive" theories with convincing evidence, but definitely send a link if you know of any. I'd be happy to read it.
How about the one from @Naomi?
There I had posted a similiar critic
And I doubt Oden survived for me his Smile can be compared to the smile of other great man like Roger, Hiluluk, Tom, Bellmere, Saul and many more ;)
In my opinion all these flashback characters have to stay dead. We have the tragic pasts and tge present happy ends. I don't want this to change, for me it would take away the seriousness from the story.

About Kuina Sure one could compare it to Sabo, but in my opinion the case of Kuina is much more obvious. And Sabo was introduced to replace Ace.
 
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I'll definitely check out that Oden theory later today.

In my opinion all these flashback characters have to stay dead. We have the tragic pasts and tge present happy ends. I don't want this to change, for me it would take away the seriousness from the story.

About Kuina Sure one could compare it to Sabo, but in my opinion the case of Kuina is much more obvious. And Sabo was introduced to replace Ace.
As for this part, I think the difference between Hiruluk/Tom/Bellemere and Saul/Olvia/Kuina/Sabo is that the former haven't really shown any hints of being alive (not that I've seen, anyways) and their potential relevance in the future of the story is trivial, at best. If they came back, I'd treat it as Pell and Pagaya coming back: "Ok, they're alive. Cool." It's essentially irrelevant to the story, with or without them, other than maybe one emotional moment with one of the straw hats.

With Saul, Olivia, Sabo, and Kuina, the story would be drastically impacted if they were alive, and unlike Hiruluk/Tom/Bellemere, their deaths weren't so explicitly obvious.
 
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She got burried by her dad.

Saul, Olivia
Never mentioned that they didn't got exectuted. WG would hunt them all.
Also One Piece Mag vol 9
- Justice of Aokiji was Burning Justice, but later changed to Lazy Justice after what happened in Ohara
for me that change should been like "What have I done?"...


You will never convince that one of those which will's was inherit make a come back. Unless they come back to inherit someone else will xD
 
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She got burried by her dad.
Yes, but her dad was smiling the whole time. Also, she "died" to stairs, despite being strong enough to beat Zoro 2001 times. It's sketchy to say the least.

Never mentioned that they didn't got exectuted. WG would hunt them all.
Also One Piece Mag vol 9
It never mentioned they died, never showed the moment the tree fell, and we didn't actually see any of them die. We also got some clues I mentioned in the theory.

As for the Vivrecard Databook, yes, Volume 9 does mention their death. Another databook also mentions Sabo's death, which is what many people used justify him being dead. Of course, in retrospect, we can understand why that was done. Oda isn't going to reveal something that major in a databook, so we were given information that we already presumed to be true.


Compare these deaths to Bellemere, who was shot in front of everyone else, and then buried; Hiruluk, who ingested poison and was shot in front of others before the poison could even take effect; and Tom (who, quite frankly, I don't really remember too much about other than getting shot and taken away by Cipher Pol). Their deaths aren't really comparable imo. And again, to reiterate, other than maybe Tom, none of them would have any significant impact on the story.


You will never convince that one of those which will's was inherit make a come back. Unless they come back to inherit someone else will xD
I wouldn't say that Zoro inherited Kuina's will, they just both vowed to be the best. When she "died", that doesn't really change Zoro's goal: to be the best.

Robin did inherit the will of the scholars, but it's kind of the same as Zoro: she wanted to study the Poneglyphs and find out the truth of the Void Century long before Ohara was attacked. Their destruction just emphasized it more, but it didn't change her goals.

As for Saul, I think it's fair to say nobody really inherted his will, so based on what you're saying, you'd be ok with him being alive then?
 
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As for Saul, I think it's fair to say nobody really inherted his will, so based on what you're saying, you'd be ok with him being alive then?
For me also Saul paar down his will to Robin. Saul died saving Robin and He has shown that tipical D smile. I am convinced Saul as character will play a huge because of his BL, but I don't see any need of returning him.


Yes, but her dad was smiling the whole time. Also, she "died" to stairs, despite being strong enough to beat Zoro 2001 times. It's sketchy to say the least.
Again there is still Tashigi. Tashigi was created to fill Kuinas place. Bringing back Kuina would destroy Tashigi for me.
 
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I agree with this 100%. From what I've seen, the craziest theories that actually come true do just that. People tend to take a lot of things at face value, but if you can formulate a logical argument, we might find that something we thought was a fact isn't quite true. Momonosuke is 8 years old, so it's impossible for him to have met Roger, isn't that right? Kanjuro was willing to die with the rest of the scabbards, so there is no way he could have been the traitor all along, right? Sabo can't be alive and with the Revolutionary Army, Robin would have told Luffy, and he would have been at Marineford......

Although these are all very reasonable conclusions, we later find out that they are wrong due to an assumption made by us, the fanbase. Poking holes in the general consensus and coming up with a logical alternative; I believe these are the most compelling and enjoyable theories to read. For me, I challenged the consensus that Saul, Olvia, and the scholars of Ohara are dead, and came up with what I thought to be a very possible alternative.



Now this point is something I have tried to find an answer to, but you're completely right - as of right now, with the information we have, there is no reason to think Dragon would be in the West Blue. Was he a marine that happened to be stationed there at the time? Did he just happen to be traveling around and coincidentally pass by Ohara? Was he on his way to Ohara because of his interest in the Void Century? Did he even know the buster call was about to happen? Was it fate? Who knows.

While I can't directly answer why he was there, I can definitely make an argument that he could get there. We know that when Dragon saved Sabo, he presumably carried him and used his devil fruit abilities to fly all the way from Goa Kingdom to Shimotsuki Village where his ship was docked. Would this make it possible for him to travel over the Red Line?

I'd also like to bring up that we may have seen a devil fruit user use their abilities to fly up the Red Line before. When Laffitte went to suggest Blackbeard as a new warlord to replace Crocodile, it was never explained how he got to the top of the Red Line. There are really only 2 possibilities: either he used his hypnotic powers to ride the gondola, or he flew up there with his ability. It's not definite, but I felt like it was worth mentioning.

Anyways, glad you enjoyed the theory! I'll try to post some more soon!
...Ah, yeah, Laffitte did do that, huh? I completely forgot that scene was in Mary Geoise, and I certainly never considered how he would have gotten there. I imagine it has something to do with his ability to sprout wings, which seems like too important of a detail to just be his Devil Fruit, in my opinion.

This is why it's good to talk to other theorists, sometimes you learn new connections you didn't before, like Dragon's ship being named after the one that Fidel Castro used in the 26th of July Movement with Che Guevara, who was the inspiration for revolutionist Gaburu who is coincidentally identical to Caribou. I'm not sure if Gaburu's revolution is related to Dragon's, as I'm pretty sure his was against Kaido, but the Cuban Revolution connection seems a bit too big to ignore.
 
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Again there is still Tashigi. Tashigi was created to fill Kuinas place. Bringing back Kuina would destroy Tashigi for me.
Tashigi wasn't "created" to fill Kuina's place. I don't wanna say too much now because I'm going to write out a theory eventually, but I believe it can be proven that they are not the same person based on some pretty obvious clues given. Tbh, I'm surprised nobody has stumbled upon this info yet :eek::sneaky:
 
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they are not the same person
Thats right they are not, but Zoro sees Kuina in Tashigi. Bringing Kuina would destroy this. Also would be strange if someone like Koushirou would fool his whole to make possible that Kuina can become answordsman.
 
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Welp. Turns out the databook confirms Saul was born in the South Blue. They've intentionally lied about a death, but never about someone's origin. So not same village as Morley and Sanjuan Wolf, but still might be connected to it somehow. He still ended up in the West Blue somehow, so he might have grown up there. I assume he was at least there at some point and is probably responsible for recruiting Morley.
 
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I love this theory, but having been rewatching the anime I remembered one detail. (I've read the manga aswell but I don't remember if this is in it although I'm 99% it is). If Dragon did indeed save them, why would they leave the books in the lake. The ones they so desperately tried to save. I mean if they took them no one would notice. They'd just think everything burned down. Another thing that makes me believe your theory is correct or at least somewhat accurate is the fact that they didn't find anything not even bones. You'd think that on a bare, burnt down island you'd see a giants skeleton. The first thing I could think of is that Saul got thawed by the fire, ran back to the scholars, carried them to the raft he built ( we never saw it get destroyed and Robin got away with the boat Aokiji got her) and got away like that. This theory makes it more plausible that the books were left behind since they had to leave in a hurry or else death awaited. Now that I'm writing this I realized maybe they returned for the books after the marines left but then again wouldn't they destroy the leftover books just in case. So many questions I don't even know anymore haha.
 
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this... this is what I want to read. I did enjoyed the orojackson days but never found the joy in thriller bark untill I saw and read this.

thank you, thank you!
 
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this... this is what I want to read. I did enjoyed the orojackson days but never found the joy in thriller bark untill I saw and read this.

thank you, thank you!
I appreciate your kind words, and I'm really glad you enjoyed it! :)
 
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You are the "Saul is alive!!" and the "Monet is alive!!" theorist duo. (Su Long Bepo + Tokiro Oumaga)

Your idea is popular ... but only because fools somehow think these are new ideas.

Neither of you originally made them. You just capitalized on the attention that was being generated by them.

Would you present something new, please? I would not be entertained by reading the same old things over and over.

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I will give you an example of how I may have influenced other readers recently.

I proposed that the One Piece is a data archive. A library. However, by doing this, I also explained that in some stories like Star Trek people encode their DNA with information, and they become data archives themselves. They are living computers that store information.

You will hear people talking about this subject, sometimes. They allude to some people in the story having information about the Void Century in their DNA, and that it may be revealed if someone were to study their human cells.

The reason this may have some significance in One Piece is because ... Vegapunk has studied human cells in his pursuit of theoretical knowledge in quantum physics (biology, chemistry, etc.). Additionally, Judge has also done this.

In other words, I am speaking of Lineage Factor! The very blueprint of life itself. It is found in human cells at the subatomic level. Particles of energy and matter create what are known as unique Lineage Factors. The types of particles of energy and matter found in certain people may indicate that they contain altered DNA or highly evolved forms of DNA.

Anyway ... I've noticed people talking about this subject recently and it's probably because I brought it up.

These are new ideas. They might not be popular. They're definitely new, though.

... to speak of this person who I saw using my idea without mentioning me ... they used the winky smiley face after explaining to people the idea as if it were their own... ohh how I hated that... they would never come up with that idea... but they go and vaguely explain the main idea and people think it's genius coming from them but when they see it in my own posts they don't say anything... grr...
 
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