One Piece The Kazuki Family, Zoros Ancestors

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Introduction
In this theory I will try to connect everything we know about Wano and Zoro trying to figure out in which way Zoro is actually connected to Wano. I am going to start with the powerful renowned Family Clans of Wano.

The Shimotsuki Familly
From Kawamatsu we learned that not only Hakumai but also Ringo was ruled by the Shimotsuki family.

With Shimotsuki Yasuie as Daiymo of Hakumai

and Shimotsuki Ushimaru as Daimyo of Ringo.

Based on the fact that both Hakumai and Ringo it can said that the whole east Wano was ruled by the Shimotsuki Family.
It could be that back in the time where Wano was known as "the Land of Gold" and the great Shimotsuki Ryuma was still alive that Hakumai and Ringo were one and got splitted, because of immer politocal problems (old traditions -> Ringo and revulotionary thoughts -> Hakumai).
Besides the Shimotsuki Family we also learned about a 2nd great family.

The Kozuki Family
We learned that Kozuki Oden the father Kozuki Momonosuke was the Daimyo of Kuri.

We also learned that Oden was not only the Daimyo of Kuri, but also the son of Kozuki Sukiyaki the former Shogun of Wano

and that Kuri was a lawless before Oden became the Daimyo there, so Kuri actually didn't directly belong to the Kozuki Clan. And based on how Yausie schooled Oden

we can expect that the Kozuki Family was a powerful and renowned family like the Shimotsuki Family. So I came to the cocnlusion that the Kozuki Family always ruled over the center of Wano residing in the Flower Capital, but was never related Kuri otherwise it wouldn't have become a lawless area. But how did Kuri become a lawless area?

The Kitetsu Curse, the curse of Kuri
The Kitetsu Curse is the curse of the famous Kitetsu Swords. In the past many famous Swordsman died after carrying one of the Kitetsu swords.

And in the beginning of the Wano Arc Tenguyama Hitetsu a blacksmith who lives Kuri was introduced who is actually the descandent of Tenguyama Kotetsu the man who made the Kitetsu Swords.

Besides being a Blacksmith, living in Wano and being a descendant of the man who created the curse swords he also mentioned that he is waiting for someone.

Combining this let me think that Hitetsu is waiting for someone who will be able to break the curse and because he is waiting in Kuri that someone has to be connected to Kuri.
One simple way how this could work out Well would be that there was a great Family Clan who ruled over Kuri back when Hitetsus ancestor created the Kitetsu Swords. That these swords were used to defeat the Family Clan with Most of them dying and the remaining fleeing from Wano. And that the end of this Family Clan rushed Kuri to the ruin. Afterwards the blades may have been cursed (maybe even by Kogetsu himself) and the only ones able to break the curse are the descandents of the Family Clan who once ruled over Kuri.

The one who breaks the Kitetsu Curse
I actually think it is more then clear that the one who is breaking the curse is actually Roronoa Zoro. It snot only that the curse doesn't effect but also that he can feel the curse which was directly shown in Loguetown the first time he was holding the Shodai Kitetsu

and again very noticable in Water 7 where he noticed that Chopper carries his Shodai Kitetsu only by feeling the curse without being able to see the sword.

So if my theory comes true it would mean that Zoro is a descendant of a Family Clan which ruled over Kuri a long time ago.
Besides Zoro we most likely know another holder of one of the Kitetsu Swords. The holder of Shodai Kitetsu and member of Gorosei.

I expect that he is actually related to the people responsible for the fall of Zoros ancestors and that Oda set this up for the final part of Zoros Backgroundstory.
Interisting is that the Kitetsu Curse is not the only thing that points to Zoros connection to Kuri.

Snatch, the old teachings of Kuri
We found out that Zoro teached Momo the yell "Snatch"

which was actually used in the old dialekt of Kuri and that it is frowned upon in Wano.

This actually also backs up the idea that Kuri was once leaded by a great Family Clan and that this Family Clan teached "Snatch". But the clan fall together with his teachings. This would also give the scene in Ashuras storys were the army of Kuri heads towards Onigashima and screaming "Sunnachi" a deeper meaning.

Its like "We are proud to be of Kuri" or "Kuri has become one again".
I know many think it was Koushirou Zoros teacher and the father of Kuina who teached Zoro "Snatch". But I doubt it because everything hints towards that Koushirou is actually a member of the Shimotsuki clan. The village where Koushirou lives is actually called "Shimotsuki Village"

and we saw in Yasueis flashback someone having the same symbols in his Kimono like Koushirou(which might have been Koushirou himself).

So I am quite sure that Koushirou is a member of the Shimotsuki clan who left Wano a few decades ago together with Minatoma. This would it make very unlikely that Koushirou teached Zoro "Snatch", because even Kinkunojo a member of the Scabbards is against using "Snatch".
But who else could have teached Zoro "Snatch"? I just realized it was never mentioned nor hinted that Zoro was an orphan, so I start to think about the possibility that Zoro actually learned "Snatch" before joining the Koushirous Dojo. It could have been Zoros father who teached Zoro "Snatch" and Zoros father learned it by Zoros grandpa and so on. With Zoro being a member of an old Family Clan of Wano ending up in a dojo leaded by a member of another old Family Clan of Wano set up by destiny.

The name of the clan
After pointing towards that Zoro belongs to an old Family Clan its time to guess the name of the clan. Because of the meaning of Kozuki and Shimotsuki I came to following conclusion.

  • Moon of Frost - Shimotsuki* Family, ruled over the east of Wano​
  • Moon of Light - Kozuki Family, ruled over the center of Wano​
  • Moon of Fire - Kazuki Family, ruled over the west of Wano​
(*I expect the official romanisation will end up being Sozuki like Kozuki. Koushirou village hint would still Work, because meaning still the same even if spelled defrerently)
I think fire fits well for the clan once ruled over Kuri not only because Zoro is somehow addicted to fire, more because the names represents the bahviour of the lands they live. Moon of Frost for the east of Kuri where it is always winter, Moon of Light for the Bright Flower Capital where you have always spring and finally Moon of Fire for the dry land where you always have sommer. So Zoro full name might end up beinh Kazuki Zoro.
Another interisting thing is actually that with Zoro replacing Shusui with Emna fro Kozuki Hiyori,

Wado Ichimoji from Shimotsuki Kuina and Sandai Kitetsu (most likely ending up replaced by Nidai Kitetsu) belonging to Kazuki Family Zoros 3 Swords would represents the 3 great Family Clans who once ruled over Wano.

Conclusion
By connecting everything we know about Zoro and Wano I came to the conclusion that Wano was once ruled by 3 clans, the Shimotsuki clan, the Kozuki Clan and the Kazuki Clan. That Zoro is a descendant of the Kazuki Clan which ruled over the region now known as Kuri.
That Clan got defeated and that this has something to do with the curse of Kitetsu Swords with Zoro as member of the Kazuki clan being the only being able to break curse.

I really hope you enjoy this theory :)

Can't wait for Hitetsu realizing that Zoro is uneffected by the curse of the Kitetsu Swords or Ashura Douji noticing Zoro teached Momo "Snatch". I think These are the Moments we learn nearly everything about Zoros Origins.
 
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Very well job my friend. This is the type of content that i'm glad to read. The only correction is replacing "Shodai Kitetsu" for "Sandai Kitetsu" that is Zoro's sword, but a detail nothing relevant to understand the lines and points.

My opinion based in the manga and your investigation is that Zoro must come from Wano, a real samurai from there, and his origin will be revealed i hope soon, but i don't believe that really matters to Zoro but could be important for people of Wano to recognise our swordman and give him some katanas with true value for them like Enma, Shusui or for Hitetsu to give him Nidai Kitetsu (almost 100% it will happen).
 

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Really nice well done connecting everything. If the pictures could be a little bit smaller it would be good
Created the theory on my smartphone. So size didn't really matter. Will update the picture tonight on my computer :)


The only correction is replacing "Shodai Kitetsu" for "Sandai Kitetsu" that is Zoro's sword, but a detail nothing relevant to understand the lines and points.
Corrected :D


but i don't believe that really matters to Zoro
Well if I am right about this point

It could have been Zoros father who teached Zoro "Snatch" and Zoros father learned it by Zoros grandpa and so on.
then it might matter for Zoro and we could get an interisting BG story.
 
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Snatch - often used as a phrase to steal something
In the eyes of people of Wano - Zoro stole Ryuma's sword
Coincidence? I don't think so

Anyway. If Zoro is from Wano how did he reach East Blue with no memory of being from Wano?
 
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Anyway. If Zoro is from Wano how did he reach East Blue with no memory of being from Wano?
In this theory I never said that Zoro was in Wano. I just said his ancestors lived in Wano. So I was talking about Zoros Family leaving Wano centurys ago.

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Snatch - often used as a phrase to steal something
In the eyes of people of Wano - Zoro stole Ryuma's sword
Thats definetly something I missed, where was this mentioned?
 
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Pic where Momo is training , he yells Snatch
Ok then you read a different translation.
So far I only know JBs translation of this site. Momo only mentioned that He learned it from Zoro and Kikunojo that it is from the dialekt from Kuri of old and that Momo shouldn't use it anymore.

And it chapter 950 it was mentioned that the literal meaning is "throw away the Name and wits".

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@Haku is the size ok now?
Would like to hear yout opinion about it for future theories :)
 
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Ok then you read a different translation.
So far I only know JBs translation of this site. Momo only mentioned that He learned it from Zoro and Kikunojo that it is from the dialekt from Kuri of old and that Momo shouldn't use it anymore.

And it chapter 950 it was mentioned that the literal meaning is "throw away the Name and wits".

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@Haku is the size ok now?
Would like to hear yout opinion about it for future theories :)
Yes a lot better now easier to follow !!
 
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Snatch - often used as a phrase to steal something
In the eyes of people of Wano - Zoro stole Ryuma's sword
Coincidence? I don't think so

Anyway. If Zoro is from Wano how did he reach East Blue with no memory of being from Wano?
I remember the same question about Sanji. How can a child reach the East Blue? With memories, we don't know almost anything about Zoro's past before Koshiro and Kuina's memories but Oda will reveal it in this arc because fits perfectly. This post give some very convenient and consistent proves to Zoro's plot that we can't deny.
 
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holy effin shots!!!

I missed the part of the kimono symbol there, that is sure connects all the dots of this theory

man I would give 5 stars for this, really enjoyed reading this, thank you, Sir.
 

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This chapter gave us new Infos about the topic.

I was completly wrong about the curse stuff... But everything else still fit!

I will update the theory as soon as I find the time to do so :)
 
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Well first of all „Bravo“ I really enjoyed reading your theory. Myself, I thought always Zoro is a direct descendent of Ryuma (Shimotsuki Zoro).
After reading your theory, it could really be „Kazuki Zoro“.
Your theory is quality content, nice research, everything backing up your theory. Well done.
 
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Ushimaru is zoros dad and denjiro is zoros sensei.
 

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Chapter 964 revealed Tokis full name!
Amatsuki Toki!

I expect another royal family of Wano.
Amatsuki = Heaven Moon
Kozuki = Light Moon
Shimotsuki = Frost Moon


I am still up for a Fire Moon family!
 
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I made a theory many years ago on Oro Jackson. The theory was about Zoro being the descendent of Ryuma and Wano might be inspired by the Book of 5 Rings from the famous Ronin Miyamoto Musashi.

In my theory back then I was assuming that Wano would be a country with 5 Island. With 5 different Fighting Styles. I thought Foxfire Kinemon must be from a Fire Island where the Swordfighting style is about fire.

In Musashis Book there where those 5 elementary parts of the Sword fighting technique =

1.Book of Earth = Admiral Ryukogyu ?
2. Book of Water = Shiryu of the Rain
3. Book of Fire = Foxfire Kinemon
4. Book of Wind = Jigoro of the Wind
5. Book of Void = Amatsuki Toki
 
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Chapter 964 revealed Tokis full name!
Amatsuki Toki!

I expect another royal family of Wano.
Amatsuki = Heaven Moon
Kozuki = Light Moon
Shimotsuki = Frost Moon


I am still up for a Fire Moon family!
Amatsuki sound ancient for sure...
Still there is no much info about Zoro's ancestor , it's possible that Kyshiro is from the same clan as Zoro's
 

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As mentioned is the chapter discussion the reveal of the 6 great clans, definetly backs uo my idea of a Firemoon-Clan.
The 6 families of Wano
  1. Moon of Light (Kozuki)
  2. Moon of Frost (Shimotsuki/November)
  3. Black Coal (Kurozumi)
  4. Moon of Rabbit (Uzuki/April)
  5. Moon of Heaven (Amatsuki)
  6. Moon of Wind (Fuugetsu)
By looking at the Familynames, its quite hard to determine the evil family :tmm:


Could it be that the Kurozumi Clan wasn't part of the 6 great clans in the distant past?
I am still up for the "Moon of Fire"-Clan as Zoro ancestors.
 
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