Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 980 - Fighting Music

[Gambit]

Welp, it's hard to distinguish and anticipate an invisible attack. I mean, that is sound wave travelling in fast motion depending on the amount of frequency the caster is chanelling. If they knew what Apoo's abilities are then the first thing they'd do is to activate the shitty COO. Sanji on the other hand always fights with COO and I don't think he would be easily be caught by those trick. Zoro and Luffy are morons and hasty that's why.

 

[Best Generation]

The real issue people are having is why Luffy and Zoro didn't try to really fight back. As we see, if like Kid they would be just going in they could have smashed him, too. No reason to overlevel him to some kind of top tier lol

@Nicolo Makaveli 's point is valid about Future Sight. Luffy being "distressed" as a reason given to turn it off depending on how Oda wants it to be is of course for us viewers boring. Even though it will always "make sense" but Oda decides the circumstances. Luffy surely didn't use Future Sight or they would be any kind of sign that he expects to be hit or tries to defend himself. He doesn't even try to use CoA and has no "!" box/internal monologue with "oh shit" or whatever that implies that he expects a hit. So the point stands that Oda is just downing Luffy like he told us before to even the playing field. Might be a little played out now, seeing how broken Luffy should be.

That Zoro took a hit when he doesn't even know an attack is coming makes more sense and we would expect him to take hits like those. That they both just didn't murder Apoo by trying to go in before Zoro decide to flee was just a downer for people but let's have Kidd some time to shine I guess(seeing that Zoro plans on fighting Kaido, too). Though, I will call that Apoo will not be as close as strong as people make him out to be rn. He just seems like the guy who takes advantage of favorable situations to him but when it comes to a real 1v1 even Sanji will defeat him, no doubt.

 

[Derfel]

What if Luffy can only future see physical attacks and he has yet to learn to future see Apoo's attack because its different since he is literally fighting sound waves.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

The real issue people are having is why Luffy and Zoro didn't try to really fight back. As we see, if like Kid they would be just going in they could have smashed him, too. No reason to overlevel him to some kind of top tier lol

@Nicolo Makaveli 's point is valid about Future Sight. Luffy being "distressed" as a reason given to turn it off depending on how Oda wants it to be is of course for us viewers boring. Even though it will always "make sense" but Oda decides the circumstances. Luffy surely didn't use Future Sight or they would be any kind of sign that he expects to be hit or tries to defend himself. He doesn't even try to use CoA and has no "!" box/internal monologue with "oh shit" or whatever that implies that he expects a hit. So the point stands that Oda is just downing Luffy like he told us before to even the playing field. Might be a little played out now, seeing how broken Luffy should be.

That Zoro took a hit when he doesn't even know an attack is coming makes more sense and we would expect him to take hits like those. That they both just didn't murder Apoo by trying to go in before Zoro decide to flee was just a downer for people but let's have Kidd some time to shine I guess(seeing that Zoro plans on fighting Kaido, too). Though, I will call that Apoo will not be as close as strong as people make him out to be rn. He just seems like the guy who takes advantage of favorable situations to him but when it comes to a real 1v1 even Sanji will defeat him, no doubt.

Well, to be honest guys from "the red force podcast" already predicted it before this chapter came out.

http://imgur.com/a/VXqnSKB

The more powerful MC becomes the harder for writer to write what he wants whiteout breaking his own rules, so the stronger Luffy becomes the often we are going to see things like this.

 

[Nessos]

What if Luffy can only future see physical attacks and he has yet to learn to future see Apoo's attack because its different since he is literally fighting sound waves.

In my opinion CoO/FS doesn't help much. You might forsee the attack, but what should you do if you have no Idea where the hit comes from.

And I really think Nocvius.

A random theory: Apoo's attacks only work against people who listen to the sound he produces.

Sure one can argue scientific logic "sound waves penetrate bodies anyway", but we have to deal with explosions and cuts causes by sound waves or the sound. For now we don't know much about Apoos power.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

What if Luffy can only future see physical attacks and he has yet to learn to future see Apoo's attack because its different since he is literally fighting sound waves.

It doesn't work like that, FS allows you to see the future, not predict the attack, FS user can see what will happen before it happens, Luffy of course couldn't see the attack but he should be able to see what will happen to him before it happens, unless your opponent has FS too which nullifies your FS.

 

[Derfel]

It doesn't work like that, FS allows you to see the future, not predict the attack, FS user can see what will happen before it happens, Luffy of course couldn't see the attack but he should be able to see what will happen to him before it happens, unless your opponent has FS too which nullifies your FS.

Maybe he can see what happens to him but can't change the outcome.

 

[Nocvius]

It doesn't work like that, FS allows you to see the future, not predict the attack, FS user can see what will happen before it happens, Luffy of course couldn't see the attack but he should be able to see what will happen to him before it happens, unless your opponent has FS too which nullifies your FS.

So Luffy knows nothing about Apoo's abilities.
It's safe to say that Apoo's attacks are unavoidable, unless the target is deaf or if they cover their ears (if my theory is correct).

Assuming Luffy did use FS properly, how would that protect him from unblockable, unavoidable, absolute 100% accuracy hit?
What would Luffy see in the future?
Him slowly getting murdered over time, while wondering how he can "dodge" or "block" undodgeable & unblockable attacks like an idiot (well he's already an idiot ).

In that situation, both Luffy & Zoro actually made a wise decision: flee.

 

[Lemonade]

Apoo is just getting hyped up so that Kid looks good when he destroys Apoo and ends his piracy career for good. Also Apoo isn't a Flying Six and Sanji fought two of Flying Six directly. To think Apoo is stronger than Zoro is strange.

Luffy should beat up and fodderize Queen for mocking him.

Zoro can fodderize a Flying Six or maybe kill Kanjuro in the process to free Momo.

 

[Gambit]

So Luffy knows nothing about Apoo's abilities.
It's safe to say that Apoo's attacks are unavoidable, unless the target is deaf or if they cover their ears (if my theory is correct).

Assuming Luffy did use FS properly, how would that protect him from unblockable, unavoidable, absolute 100% accuracy hit?
What would Luffy see in the future?
Him slowly getting murdered over time, while wondering how he can "dodge" or "block" undodgeable & unblockable attacks like an idiot (well he's already an idiot ).

In that situation, both Luffy & Zoro actually made a wise decision: flee.

frequency based attacks are OP and cannot be dodged IMO and it doesn't need to be heard.. the catch is to stop him from chanelling that attack.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Maybe he can see what happens to him but can't change the outcome.

It's only possible if Luffy saw the future, but I didn't see any application that he did, it could have been much better if Luffy said that he can't do anything like Katakuri did when he saw the destruction of the cake.

 

[Lemonade]

Also the Beasts Pirates are partying with loud music, and Luffy and Zoro are facing a huge army of Beasts Pirates on top of a situation favoring and strengthening Apoo's powers. Luffy and Zoro were in a clear disadvantage here with everyone trying to attack him. With Kid stepping in and flattening Apoo, it gives an opening for Luffy and Zoro to launch a massive counterattack and probably destroy Queen and some Flying Six in process.

 

[Mr. Doflamingo]

On the other side I'm really happy finally Lola found her husband

 

[Nessos]

frequency based attacks are OP and cannot be dodged IMO and it doesn't need to be heard.. the catch is to stop him from chanelling that attack.

But is it a frequency based attack? Or is this the rythym of death

 

[Lemonade]

On the other side I'm really happy finally Lola found her husband

Gotti should reject her and in a weird twist, she ends up with Loki

 

[Best Generation]

Apoo is just getting hyped up so that Kid looks good when he destroys Apoo and ends his piracy career for good. Also Apoo isn't a Flying Six and Sanji fought two of Flying Six directly. To think Apoo is stronger than Zoro is strange.

Luffy should beat up and fodderize Queen for mocking him.

Zoro can fodderize a Flying Six or maybe kill Kanjuro in the process to free Momo.

I agree with this take. That explains the inconsistencies and trying to make Apoo some sort of Zoro/Luffy level character when its unorganic and impossibly the case. I bet there is no way that Apoo can even hurt Kaido or fight Kaido for more than 5 seconds. Zoro/Luffy can and will for minutes and possibly hours. So no need to go nuts just because of some portrayel given for Apoo to make Kid's win/attack more impressive.

 

[Mr. Doflamingo]

I was wondering if Drake's identity has been leaked when Queen want to wipe one of the flying six. Or did he mean Who's Who?

 

[Nessos]

I was wondering if Drake's identity has been leaked when Queen want to wipe one of the flying six. Or did he mean Who's Who?

Or Queen is Refering to the upcoming showfight. Maybe one already found Yamato
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Apoo is just getting hyped up so that Kid looks good when he destroys Apoo and ends his piracy career for good. Also Apoo isn't a Flying Six and Sanji fought two of Flying Six directly. To think Apoo is stronger than Zoro is strange.

In my opinion all Supernova play in the same league Monster Trio. With Apoo and Hawkins not being Flying Six members cause they are still freshman.

Also the Apoo hype already exist since Sabaody with Apoo being the only able to suprised and hurt Borsalino.

One saying Apoo didn't make any progress in 2 years while Luffy having "surpassed" Borsalino is for me something I can't understand.

 

[Gambit]

But is it a frequency based attack? Or is this the rythym of death

rhythm and blues I think so yeah, still frequency.

 

[Nessos]

rhythm and blues I think so yeah, still frequency.

Its a Manga. For me it is fine if earplugs is thr strongest weapon against Apoo