Chapter Discussion One Piece 1003: The Night Reflected on a Go Board

[Fallen Prince]

Just like everybody else, but Oda might remove Zoro from the fight before they lose to protect him.

Considering how OP Enma is Zoro needs only one successful cut to defeat any YC at this point, also Zoro will receive power ups in fight against Kaido so that he could easily win against king just like Oda wants.

I really doubt it , zoro's next opponent will be shiryuu . If you think he is going to one shot him as well. I would say hold on a minute here.


I mean zoro is facing along 5 others members so its easy for him to go all out .

 

[Best Generation]

You're wrong, I'm not against Kid and Law fighting against Kaido, I have issues with killer but I can close my eyes on it since we don't know his motivations and who he fought before Kaido. I have problems with Zoro fighting against Kaido but I'm willing to accept that too, the biggest problem that I will never accept is that Zoro has become the leading force of this battle (or one of the leading forces).

Oda spent 10 years for Luffy to grow for this battle, he fought against: Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri, Meme and received two significant power ups, but dispite all of this Zoro is still better than Luffy, how? Why? For what fu*king reason? If the point was to show how pathetic Luffy is then Oda succeeded it.

Luffy's attacks with advanced CoA are nothing for Kaido, people pretend like Luffy did some insane amount of damage to Kaido when Kaido is just having fun, he doesn't even consider Luffy's attacks worthy of dodging or protecting himself with armament haki. Zoro on the other hand, has so much OP attack power that Kaido for first time in the series dodged an attack and that attack was from Zoro. All Luffy's fights and training aren't even enough to make him as strong as Zoro in a fu*king fight for the PK throne, Luffy has become the most disgusting and pathetic character I've ever seen. But it doesn't end there, Oda needs to completely destroy Luffy by showing how far Luffy is from Zoro; Zoro not just overpowers Kaido's thecnique with his own but also has enough power to cut Kaido afterwards.

Luffy now has become a liability for Zoro since he needs to take care of his pathetic ass. Let's just not fu*king forget that this the fight against Emperors for the pirate king throne and this crucial moment for Luffy and Kid with PK related dream Zoro just overshadows them by miles, like WTF is going on?
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Dude it's not just that... Oda never allows Zoro even struggle, against anyone. When did Zoro struggle last time not counting his fight against Doze Bones? Never, that never happens! Oda loves when his boyfriend Zoro defeats his opponents with one single cut (one cut man lol) and I can guarantee you that Zoro will defeat king like that too; Zoro will not struggle against King at all and then he will defeat him with cut.

 

[Fallen Prince]

1004 is up @Nessos @Gambit

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

I literally said that in east blue Oda portrayed Luffy stronger than Zoro and you bring up a panel from east blue. Not funny dude...

Show me a 1v1 fight after Alabasta in which Zoro struggled to defeat someone regardless how powerful he was and I'll take my words back. Outside of Admirals and Enel (due to his lighting DF) Zoro never struggled against anyone; hell. Zoro one-shoted one of Enel's priests when Luffy, Sanji and Ussop teamed up to defeat the other.

 

[Fallen Prince]

I literally said that in east blue Oda portrayed Luffy stronger than Zoro and you bring up a panel from east blue. Not funny dude...

Show me a 1v1 fight after Alabasta in which Zoro struggled to defeat someone regardless how powerful he was and I'll take my words back. Outside of Admirals and Enel (due to his lighting DF) Zoro never struggled against anyone; hell. Zoro one-shoted one of Enel's priests when Luffy, Sanji and Ussop teamed up to defeat the other.

Kuma

 

[Magimasterkarp]

All this powerscaling stuff is getting pretty toxic, isn´t it?

 

[Fallen Prince]

All this powerscaling stuff is getting pretty toxic, isn´t it?

Toxic to casual readers but for regular debators not much. However, current users just do not know how to scale their characters because they are habituated to OPM drug .

I hate repeated threads which is debunked like Luffy vs Zoro or Mihawk > Kaido etc all of these scenrios have simulated outcomes.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Kuma

Mihawk is the end goal, he should struggle against him. You also forget that Mihawk vs Zoro happened in east blue and I said after Alabasta.

At the time when Kuma arrived Zoro was already close to lose consciousness due to his fight against Orz. Also Kuma wasn't his fight, Zoro had no other choice but attack him. Did Zoro struggle against Ryuma the previous WSS? No, and I understand that Ryuma was a Zombie but still.
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All this powerscaling stuff is getting pretty toxic, isn´t it?

No it's not, we're just discussing things. Also I wouldn't consider this as a "power scaling" since we agree on power levels of each other.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Mihawk is end goal, he should struggle against him. You also forget that Mihawk vs Zoro happened in east blue and I said after Alabasta.

At the time when Kuma arrived Zoro was already close to lose consciousness due to his fight against Orz. Also Kuma wasn't his fight, Zoro had no other choice but attack him. Did Zoro struggle against Ryuma the previous WSS? No, and I understand that Ryuma was a Zombie but still.

He was brook's shadow it just copied his power. Real ryuma would lol diff zoro though .
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Mihawk is the end goal, he should struggle against him. You also forget that Mihawk vs Zoro happened in east blue and I said after Alabasta.

At the time when Kuma arrived Zoro was already close to lose consciousness due to his fight against Orz. Also Kuma wasn't his fight, Zoro had no other choice but attack him. Did Zoro struggle against Ryuma the previous WSS? No, and I understand that Ryuma was a Zombie but still.
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No it's not, we're just discussing things. Also I wouldn't consider this as a "power scaling" since we agree on power levels of each other.

He will fight Shiryuu most likely and there is Ghandi Gorosei .

Shiryuu might be be stronger than King you cant tell.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Still, it was Ryuma's body after all; are we going to say the same thing about Roger's body? Put Brook's shadow into Roger or Whitbeard's body and pre-timskip Luffy would easily lose to them.

Did Zoro struggle against Kaku?
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He will fight Shiryuu most likely and there is Ghandi Gorosei .

Shiryuu might be be stronger than King you cant tell.

If Shiryuu kills Mihawk then yes, in that case Zoro will struggle against Shiryuu. But if Mihawk stays alive then Zoro will not struggle against Shiryuu at all.

I can't tell you anything about Gorosei since I don't know anything about them.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Still, it was Ryuma's body after all; are we going to say the same thing about Roger's body? Put Brook's shadow into Roger or Whitbeard's body and pre-timskip Luffy would easily lose to them.

Did Zoro struggle against Kaku?

Yes , thats how Oars got his abilities its from luffy. The shadow ability is from the owner so it will just imitating previous owner action.

Answer will be same to Roger's body , proof we even had Captain John in moriah crew and he was gormer member of Rock's crew and he was fodder minion .

Zoro mid diffed Kaku from my analysis it was not high diff fight.
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Still, it was Ryuma's body after all; are we going to say the same thing about Roger's body? Put Brook's shadow into Roger or Whitbeard's body and pre-timskip Luffy would easily lose to them.

Did Zoro struggle against Kaku?
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If Shiryuu kills Mihawk then yes, in that case Zoro will struggle against Shiryuu. But if Mihawk stays alive then Zoro will not struggle against Shiryuu at all.

I can't tell you anything about Gorosei since I don't know anything about them.

Cannot bet on this one but if Zoro makes Enma black in wano then i am not sure how Shiryuu fight will be hyped unless he has already attained black blade himself and his sword is compitable to Yoru.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Answer will be same to Roger's body , proof we even had Captain John in moriah crew and he was gormer member of Rock's crew and he was fodder minion .

Captain Jhon had shadow of a fodder and Brook wasn't a fodder, he of course wasn't as strong as Luffy or Zoro but he wasn't fodder ether. Both aspects are important, you need strong body and strong shadow to create strong Zombie, otherwise Brook would be able to defeat Ryuma by himself.

If that isn't enough for you then let me use other examples.

Did Zoro struggle against Hachi dispite his wounds from Mihawk?

Did Zoro struggle against Enel's priest?

Did Zoro struggle against Poisonous Fishman in Fishman island arc?

Did Zoro struggle against Pica?

Did Zoro struggle against Hawkins?
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Cannot bet on this one but if Zoro makes Enma black in wano then i am not sure how Shiryuu fight will be hyped unless he has already attained black blade himself and his sword is compitable to Yoru

Again, if Shiryuu defeats Mihawk then Zoro will struggle against him, but if not, then Zoro vs Shiryu will be just like Zoro vs Kaku where Luffy had an extremely difficult fight but Zoro mid diffed his opponent.

 

[Best Generation]

I literally said that in east blue Oda portrayed Luffy stronger than Zoro and you bring up a panel from east blue. Not funny dude...

Show me a 1v1 fight after Alabasta in which Zoro struggled to defeat someone regardless how powerful he was and I'll take my words back. Outside of Admirals and Enel (due to his lighting DF) Zoro never struggled against anyone; hell. Zoro one-shoted one of Enel's priests when Luffy, Sanji and Ussop teamed up to defeat the other.

You are pretty hung up on the point who is portrayed as stronger, which means the person who is portrayed stronger has to carry the other person on his back, that is simply a falacy. That they have that like on relationship when they take care of each other in fights from the beginning and are still doing so has nothing to do with power.

 

[Gambit]

This is still a healthy ability/portrayal/story discussion. You want toxic / shit show, then go check the other site. LOLOLOL.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

That they have that like on relationship when they take care of each other in fights from the beginning and are still doing so has nothing to do with power.

When did Luffy help Zoro? Has Luffy ever taken a punch protecting Zoro or protecting Zoro from someone else? It's only Zoro who protects Luffy, Zoro is Luffy's nanny looking up for him cuz he's incompetent and as we found out in Wano he's even weaker than Zoro. Now that Luffy can't use haki for 10 minutes he has to rely on Zoro's strength cuz his rivals "kid and Law" are completely useless. At this point Oda can make Zoro Luffy's rival, he's stronger than Luffy unlike Kid, I mean what was the point of creating Kid? Just to make Zoro look good compared to him?
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This is still a healthy ability/portrayal/story discussion. You want toxic / shit show, then go check the other site. LOLOLOL.

Just because no one wants to touch this topic or go down to the rabbit hole, doesn't mean that it's toxic.

 

[Emperor Cross]

All this powerscaling stuff is getting pretty toxic, isn´t it?

Why I hate One Piece fans as much as I love the manga. Them dudes are toxics. >.>

 

[Gambit]

Just because no one wants to touch this topic or go down to the rabbit hole, doesn't mean that it's toxic.

I didn't say that. We still do that topic but we don't get to the point that it's a mess.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

I didn't say that. We still do that topic but we don't get to the point that it's a mess.

Why is it a mess?

 

[Fallen Prince]

Zoro will likely struggle from hereon because all of the players are big guys.

Pica is not even YC4 , post time skip Luffy was already at YC2 range, zoro YC 3-4 , Sanji was vet level.

Right now there is no debate current luffy has surpassed YC1 and is close to Admiral level.

Zoro iis around YC 1 for me , i do think king, katakuri will give push him to high diff.
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Captain Jhon had shadow of a fodder and Brook wasn't a fodder, he of course wasn't as strong as Luffy or Zoro but he wasn't fodder ether. Both aspects are important, you need strong body and strong shadow to create strong Zombie, otherwise Brook would be able to defeat Ryuma by himself.

If that isn't enough for you then let me use other examples.

Did Zoro struggle against Hachi dispite his wounds from Mihawk?

Did Zoro struggle against Enel's priest?

Did Zoro struggle against Poisonous Fishman in Fishman island arc?

Did Zoro struggle against Pica?

Did Zoro struggle against Hawkins?
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Again, if Shiryuu defeats Mihawk then Zoro will struggle against him, but if not, then Zoro vs Shiryu will be just like Zoro vs Kaku where Luffy had an extremely difficult fight but Zoro mid diffed his opponent.

I think Shiryu has hype he wont be kaku levrl . With suke fruit it was delibrate from oda so that means zoro will need to improve on his observation.

My only belief is BB wont choose weaklings in his crews and the same battalion trashed WB pirates . So your justification of Shiryuu to be around Kaku 2.0 is not making sense.
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Why I hate One Piece fans as much as I love the manga. Them dudes are toxics. >.>

This is nothing bro just peep in WG . The amount of headcanon is insane and i had to delete account because its more of wank than actual debate. I think me and Nikolo are okay, he thinks Zoro has not been pushed high diff fight which is correct imo.

The last time zoro struggled was only with kuma .

 

[Emperor Cross]

Zoro will likely struggle from hereon because all of the players are big guys.

Pica is not even YC4 , post time skip Luffy was already at YC2 range, zoro YC 3-4 , Sanji was vet level.

Right now there is no debate current luffy has surpassed YC1 and is close to Admiral level.

Zoro iis around YC 1 for me , i do think king, katakuri will give push him to high diff.
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I think Shiryu has hype he wont be kaku levrl . With suke fruit it was delibrate from oda so that means zoro will need to improve on his observation.

My only belief is BB wont choose weaklings in his crews and the same battalion trashed WB pirates . So your justification of Shiryuu to be around Kaku 2.0 is not making sense.
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This is nothing bro just peep in WG . The amount of headcanon is insane and i had to delete account because its more of wank than actual debate. I think me and Nikolo are okay, he thinks Zoro has not been pushed high diff fight which is correct imo.

The last time zoro struggled was only with kuma .

Each time I peek there, I remember why I don’t go there. A person can be a fan without being zealous. Between the Akainu, Shanks, Mihawk or Zoro fans. I’m lost >.>