[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 19: Baruk Khazad!

[Gambit]

Looks like.my vote will be cop and blocker.

 

[Pepper]

Vote Count

Cop 1: A famous historian
Doctor 1: A famous historian

Spoiler: Tags

1. @Gambit
2. @Mango Senpai
3. @Ekkologix
4. @A famous historian
5. @~UwU~
6. @T-Pein™
7. @Pepper
8. @Beky
9. @Nessos
10. @Fujitora
11. @Juliet
12. @Waindo
13. @Rej

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I assume these are just discussions and not actual votes? Let me know if you want to vote instead.

Yes just discussing though I'll give you my vote now anyways
Vote Doctor and Tracker

 

[~UwU~]

I would go for Blocker + Watcher.

Cop is by far the best option cause thar can still catch the Goons even if Mafia picks Godfather

Blocker is completely negated by Strong-arm if Mafia cause why wouldn't that player just make the kills and the same goes with Ninja nullifying Watcher and Tracker.

Someone who likes analysis as much as you should know that.

The best choice is Cop + any of the other options

 

[Mango Senpai]

Vote Cop + Doc

 

[Juliet]

Vote Cop and Tracker

What do you guys think about cop and tracker? The more invests the better.

 

[Nessos]

Both @Beky and @A famous historian act Like they didn't read the WU and don't understand what this phase is made for.

 

[ZFR]

But Roleblocker works better with Watcher. With Roleblocker + Cop you can't defend anyone.

Alternative Roleblocker + Doctor, but this is too risky with a Potential strongarm.


Nevertheless I totally agree Roleblocker can be strongest role for Town and thats why I went for this
Vote Watcher + Roleblocker

My votes will go to Watcher and Tracker cause it is damn good to have 2 investigates roles to catch mafia NK.
Vote 1 - Tracker
Vote 2 - Watcher

 

[A famous historian]

Both @Beky and @A famous historian act Like they didn't read the WU and don't understand what this phase is made for.

So we should scum hunt this phase at all?

Interesting...,very interesting.

 

[Nessos]

One for sure:
We shouldn't do combinations Like
Doctor + RB
Or Watcher + Tracker

Looks like.my vote will be cop and blocker.

I don't have anything against cop. The benefits of Copa are clear Copa find scum even without them doing actions. But this Combo is bad because this Combo is only against scummy player and scum can easily go for strong town player.
Thus cop should cmbined with defensive roles or in other words town combination should be a combination defense and offenes.

So it should be one of these 3 combinations:

• Cop + Watcher
• Cop + Doctor
• Watcher + Roleblocker

The combination @Pepper recommend is also possible

Yes just discussing though I'll give you my vote now anyways
Vote Doctor and Tracker

But this one is actually much weaker then Watcher + Roleblocker. Roleblocker gives actually the same info as Tracker while stopping the kill and sure Doctor may stop a kill, but don't give Info.
So if one expect GF he should prefer Watcher + Roleblocker over Doctor + Tracker.

 

[Gambit]

Vote Cop and Tracker

What do you guys think about cop and tracker? The more invests the better.

We still need a blocker mid to late game imo.

 

[Nessos]

We still need a blocker mid to late game imo.

But Roleblocker works better with Watcher. With Roleblocker + Cop you can't defend anyone.

Alternative Roleblocker + Doctor, but this is too risky with a Potential strongarm.


Nevertheless I totally agree Roleblocker can be strongest role for Town and thats why I went for this
Vote Watcher + Roleblocker

 

[~UwU~]

But Roleblocker works better with Watcher. With Roleblocker + Cop you can't defend anyone.

Not entirely correct, if Mafia didn't pick Strong-arm then Roleblocker could defend by stopping the kill. Of course that would require them to pick right target.

 

[Beky]

I did read the WU but i skimmed it LUL
Reading back

• Cop (investigates a player to learn if they're Town or Mafia)
• Tracker (investigates a player to learn if they targeted anybody)
• Watcher (investigates a player to learn if they were targeted by anybody)
• Doctor (protects a player from dying at Night; can't target same player twice in a row; can target self)
• Blocker (prevents a player from killing at Night; can't target same player twice in a row; doesn't prevent non-killing actions)

Cop - Null against Godfather, catching Ninja or Strong Man isnt that good
Tracker - Can catch Godfather and Strongman, pretty good
Watcher - Also good
Doctor - Mafia will 100% go for strongman and godfather so doc isn't that good
Roleblocker- Pretty good

So the only real options are Tracker/Watcher and a Roleblocker. Anything else makes no sense to me and i will auto sus people that wanna play into a cop or doc

 

[Nessos]

I did read the WU but i skimmed it LUL

You should read again.

 

[~UwU~]

Cop - Null against Godfather, catching Ninja or Strong Man isnt that good

How is catching either of those a bad thing? We get 2 role picks not just one, if the cop catches either of those it makes the other role we have 100% reliable.

You're also completely dismissing Cop's ability to catch the Mafia that aren't performing the night kill.

 

[Nessos]

@Beky lets make it simple.

Mafia choose one of GF, Ninja and Strongarm last night.

Now everyone Vote for Town roles.
Cop -> useless against GF (but even if GF is in Cop can catch the Goons)
Roleblocker and Doctor -> useless against potential Strongarm
Tracker and Watcher ->useless against potential Ninja


But again Mafia has only one of Strongarm, GF and Ninja. Thus if Mafia PR is dead all Town PRs are strong.



@Beky are playing dumb to get some Towncreds? I don't buy you are act I did the same in the recent game of @Ekkologix.

 

[~UwU~]

OK time for some maths here. I'll be comparing the information gathering potential of the information roles.

I'll be assuming Cop correctly picks a scum member and Tracker/Watcher correctly picks killer/kill target in this thought experiment.

We know there's 3 Scum roles, 2 of them are Goons and scan Guilty to the Cop. The final role is either Godfather, Ninja or Strongarm. 2 of those scan Guilty to Cop.

That's 33% Goon 1 , 33% Goon 2, and 2/3rds chance on the final role = 87% chance of Guilty result if Scum is targeted by Cop

For Tracker and Watcher there's really only 3 different roles that will perform the kill, Goon, Ninja and Strongarm. Godfather doing it is unlikely.

One of those can't be seen be the others can. That's 2/3rds or 66% chance of seeing the action assuming they picked correct targets.

 

[Beky]

@Beky lets make it simple.

Mafia choose one of GF, Ninja and Strongarm last night.

Now everyone Vote for Town roles.
Cop -> useless against GF (but even if GF is in Cop can catch the Goons)
Roleblocker and Doctor -> useless against potential Strongarm
Tracker and Watcher ->useless against potential Ninja


But again Mafia has only one of Strongarm, GF and Ninja. Thus if Mafia PR is dead all Town PRs are strong.



@Beky are playing dumb to get some Towncreds? I don't buy you are act I did the same in the recent game of @Ekkologix.

How is catching either of those a bad thing? We get 2 role picks not just one, if the cop catches either of those it makes the other role we have 100% reliable.

You're also completely dismissing Cop's ability to catch the Mafia that aren't performing the night kill.

Tracker/Watcher is superior in any way than Cop. This is a small game and it won't last as much and there is a good chance to deep wolf it until the end and snatch a W.

With Mafia having NK they can either go with Strongman to bypass doc and roleblock but leave themselves vulnerable to Cop/Tracker/Watcher. That is 3 potential roles you can get fucked on

Picking Ninja does what? Nothing really except it lets Cop get you

Godfather however can pass as Vanilla, can't be caught by Cop or Watcher or Tracker nor can Doc or RB cuck him
It is a damn perfect role to have in this set up. I would pick GF cause it is best damn scenario you have with minimal risk

 

[~UwU~]

Watcher can also cause potential mislynches in this particular circumstance:

Watcher +Doctor exist, Mafia Strongarm and Doctor both visit the one the Watcher is watching

The target ends up dead and then Town might lynch the Doctor.

 

[Beky]

My votes will go to Watcher and Tracker cause it is damn good to have 2 investigates roles to catch mafia NK.
Vote 1 - Tracker
Vote 2 - Watcher