[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 2 - Case Closed

[A famous historian]

vote lynch AFH



Defense please.

Imho we should start voting GU/AFH because both are hard to read and I’ll read them better if I rolefish.

Fixed for you! :cat

 

[Fire Tiger]

Aren’t day1 lynched supposed to get the convo running? Come now Toger. You know how the game is played.

Are you suggesting town shouldn’t have the first lynch vote?

Not at all. It's just that this is a majority vote game where just one vote could make all the difference in a lynch or not. Therefore I would expect players to be more cautious with their vote instead of throwing it around carelessly.

 

[Waindo]

Not at all. It's just that this is a majority vote game where just one vote could make all the difference in a lynch or not. Therefore I would expect players to be more cautious with their vote instead of throwing it around carelessly.

Nope, plurality lynch.

 

[God_Usopun]

Not at all. It's just that this is a majority vote game where just one vote could make all the difference in a lynch or not. Therefore I would expect players to be more cautious with their vote instead of throwing it around carelessly.

What about those guys throwing vote left and right?
*Looking at Rej and Wait*

 

[Okosan]

Right because you decided to tunnel on her-Ju

Coo! (He didn't though? He has notes about a variety of people, Juliet was just someone who stood out to him)

I'm honestly getting scum vibes from Okosan for voting an inactive and I was asleep at the time and recently woke up. From my experience scum always vote an inactive and they do this so that they don't have to worry about getting a response from the inactive players and inactive players are an easy mislynch for scum and also on page 1- 3 most of the posts were fluff.

Maybe I should claim in case I get mislynched during my absense if I don't come back.

COOO! ( 1) How was Okosan supposed to know you were sleeping? 2) If Okosan was trying to go for an easy lynch why would he pick you of all people? Wouldn't he have gone for his other scum read in Usopun instead? Because nobirdie here really seems to have any reads on you besides Okosan. 3) Lol good OMGUS we got one guys)

 

[Fire Tiger]

Nope, plurality lynch.

Don't know what that means.

What about those guys throwing vote left and right?
*Looking at Rej and Wait*

Same.

 

[God_Usopun]

Coo! (He didn't though? He has notes about a variety of people, Juliet was just someone who stood out to him)


COOO! ( 1) How was Okosan supposed to know you were sleeping? 2) If Okosan was trying to go for an easy lynch why would he pick you of all people? Wouldn't he have gone for his other scum read in Usopun instead? Because nobirdie here really seems to have any reads on you besides Okosan. 3) Lol good OMGUS we got one guys)

You did only ask about people's impression on her-ju

 

[Okosan]

You did only ask about people's impression on her-ju

Coooo! Cooo? (Correct. Because no one was mentioning her and Okosan was curious where people were standing with her. Also that's where Okosan's vote currently is.)

 

[Waindo]

What about those guys throwing vote left and right?
*Looking at Rej and Wait*

Elaborate my left and right? I only pressure voted Nessos.

 

[God_Usopun]

Elaborate my left and right? I only pressure voted Nessos.

Is saying "elaborate on this" a new trend or are you copying Drago?
Anyway if you followed what he said about votes he should have had his eyes on both of you two for doing the same thing as AFH

 

[Juliet]

Coooo? (As Okosan put in his reads post, Juliet's posts are just complaining about potential inactivity in the game, and then defending said post. The first Okosan finds scum is more likely to do as it's a really cheap way to seem like you're participating in the thread / you care about what's happening. The second seems scummy because as town, assuming that you did make the first post, why would you care enough about the couple of people sussing you for it to devote a post defending yourself? Why not instead catch up and post something relevant, and if your wagon actually gains enough traction then you can defend what you said earlier.)

Coo! (He didn't though? He has notes about a variety of people, Juliet was just someone who stood out to him)


COOO! ( 1) How was Okosan supposed to know you were sleeping? 2) If Okosan was trying to go for an easy lynch why would he pick you of all people? Wouldn't he have gone for his other scum read in Usopun instead? Because nobirdie here really seems to have any reads on you besides Okosan. 3) Lol good OMGUS we got one guys)

Most of the players are active when I'm sleeping and some of the players know this since my timezone is different and it takes a while for me to come back. You should know this from the last game I played with you. I was an inactive town in the last trad game I played. Also, there were other players who only made 1 post or 2 post which were fluff.

 

[Okosan]

elaborate why, you have some recent posts from me to analyse...

often interactions by civillians in the DP to try coordinate the DP through and eventually call out some nights actions, invest or vig targets, so we can start massconfirming in the following DPs
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I lost overview about the votes, I just know several people got each one vote on them.

Cooooo? (This townforming you keep bringing up does just seem odd to Okosan. First off you join in on the AFM lynch to put pressure on him, and include in your read list as bad, but jump off of him pretty quick instead of maintaining the pressure. Which btw Okosan finds AFM a bad scum read in the first place. Second the GU vote also seems weird as you waited until Okosan put him as a scum read to switch to that and cited townforming, but wouldn't it have made more sense to pressure Juliet if that was the case? GU had no real pressure on him as far as Okosan remembers.)

Coo!! Coo! (Your reads and actions just seem kind of cheap overall at the moment.)
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Most of the players are active when I'm sleeping and some of the players know this since my timezone is different and it takes a while for me to come back. You should know this from the last game I played with you. I was an inactive town in the last trad game I played. Also, there were other players who only made 1 post or 2 post which were fluff.

COOOO! (Okosan honestly didn't even notice last game since you were only in the game for a day or two really. And it's not the fact that is was fluff that Okosan's concerned about, it's the content of said fluff)

 

[God_Usopun]

Cooooo? (This townforming you keep bringing up does just seem odd to Okosan. First off you join in on the AFM lynch to put pressure on him, and include in your read list as bad, but jump off of him pretty quick instead of maintaining the pressure. Which btw Okosan finds AFM a bad scum read in the first place. Second the GU vote also seems weird as you waited until Okosan put him as a scum read to switch to that and cited townforming, but wouldn't it have made more sense to pressure Juliet if that was the case? GU had no real pressure on him as far as Okosan remembers.)

Coo!! Coo! (Your reads and actions just seem kind of cheap overall at the moment.)

He's trying to get some town cred by sheeping

 

[Law]

The more I read, the more confused I became, I can't say I believe any player 100 percent.

I just commented your play there and it will come back to you but not from my side

Yeah sec (mobile).

First of all I tried to calm down the situation with Wai and I asked myself what's wrong about having a scumread in the backhand? But Waindo's main statements were:
"Dont engage me in discussion else I might slip"
"Rej is scummy because he started to post"

I think there is nothing wrong with genuine early reads. If you are a genuine player you are open up to your mind and don't mind speaking freely what's on your thoughts.

I dislike how "mildly reaction fishing" became a term here. This is a scumtell because only scummy people tend to cover their carefullyness behind such phrases.

And to the later par4 again:

I already had my main read here. This was me saying "lets cooperate but I still read you as bad".

You know what came after that.

I am liking this message and it gives me town vibes.

Drago VS Rej interaction, hm, someone in there has to be a scum and somebody has to be town. So far I am thinking Rej is town and I am leaning on town towards Okosan.

 

[Okosan]

The more I read, the more confused I became, I can't say I believe any player 100 percent.

I am liking this message and it gives me town vibes.

Drago VS Rej interaction, hm, someone in there has to be a scum and somebody has to be town. So far I am thinking Rej is town and I am leaning on town towards Okosan.

Coo? (What specifically is giving you those two reads? Besides just the post giving you "town vibes")

 

[Law]

Coooooo! Cooo! (Okay so Okosan reread and a couple of initial reads:

Scum leans:
Juliet - Juliet has only made 2 posts this game, and both of them were bad. 1st post had her bemoaning activity levels, which is something Okosan tends to see with scum in particular. It's an easy way to pop in and look like you want the game to go somewhere while simultaneously doing nothing to help. Okosan himself did it last game when town didn't want to talk one day phase for some reason.

Her second post still wasn't anything read or interaction related. Just her coming on to defend her previous post. As town there's no real reason to get overly defensive like that if you actually cared about activity level. You'd just move on unless there's some serious pressure coming because of the post, which there wasn't really.

God_Usopun - Not so much a lean as much as Okosan would like to see where Usopun's alignment is at. Usopun naturally acts scummy Okosan's noticed, but there's a couple of things interaction-wise Okosan noticed that are interesting. First off, one of Usopun's earlier posts where he said there were scum everywhere, but apparently didn't actually have any real reads at the time. Not even a real explanation as to what prompted the post in the first place. Kind of tinfoiling it could've been a slip of some sort with scum being somewhat active up before then?

Second is how people keep talking about potentially pushing Usopun because of how he's scummy, but no one really doing anything about it. Like even if you don't necessarily want to lynch him at end of day, put your vote there early if you think he's being weird to see interactions at the very least.

Town lean:
Bonnibel - Okosan doesn't know why her posts stood out really, but even with her few posts Okosan is kind of reading her townie. She used an activity excuse, but then actually did follow up with relevant posts She's also being honest about not having anything of note to say yet, when Okosan thinks mafia would try to keep giving out reads in this situation. Would like to hear more from her in the future.

Notably Neutral:
AFM - Okosan feels pretty average on AFM, as what they've done so far seems pretty on par for how they handle D1. The only thing missing is how much they normally post (unless they are just a lot quieter over on this site). Okosan doesn't really like how people are scum reading him because of it because it honestly doesn't feel like there's anything to scum read.

Rej - Okosan has Rej in a weird spot right now. On the one hand, Okosan kind of wants to read Rej town. Okosan likes how he's been the biggest person here pushing interactions between players, calling people out, and overall directing the game like last time. On the other hand, something just seems... off to Okosan? He's not really sure what it is but Okosan's gut just feels something weird here. It could be nothing, though.)

@Okosan This post of yours in particular and the way you ask other players' questions and trying to get discussion going gave me town read on you

 

[Rej]

Ok first let me clarify something.
Unvote

I first wanna unvote GU simply because we have enough to judge and I like his enthusiasm now.

I also feel Okosan is town even when he threw shades on me, simply because last time he played scum he tended to do DP1 sheeping and I haven't seen him yet doing a sheeping attemt, he is more scumhunting than in the last game, BUT I didn't like the target on Juliet, but I also didn't like Juliets entrance in this game.

I miss some others judging the change of pace in GUs play or the new evolved dynamics in Okosans play.

What thoughts? Asking a question is giving a thought or a read, it's to try to reach that. Atm, I had no clear thoughts on Wai or Udell, so I asked them questions. My one and only read was and is still on you, thus I direct the case on you. The timing of it is pocketing for me, not whatever this town forming thing you're coming up with. There was no hint of a mindmeld with you and Shottie.

I can't have all over the place reads when I only have one read. You are the one who misunderstood my post.

What I have towards Wai has nothing to do with you. Why do you keep trying to insinuate that it is the case?

before I go back to answering you, I want to know why you tunnel on me, when this is a 18 players game? When you approached me it felt like you wanted to give fuel into something. A towndrago would have put the vote immediately on me and made a case with 2-3 siolated posts. But you were more picky in your posts, that's why you defend your case on me so much.

Don't tell me I am about to catch scum-Drago while I made a pressure attempt on Nessos.

I had all my reasons to call your approach on me bad.

1. I expect more from towndrago
2. I am just forwardbringing and don't understand a tunnel attempt fully

Please Drago what is going on?

 

[Okosan]

Cooooooo? (Alright well Okosan will be back in the last hour or so of the phase to see what's up. Feel free to ask Okosan any questions and he'll respond when he gets back. Right now Okosan would be fine with a Juliet, Usopun, or Rej lynch today)

 

[Law]

When is the end of the dayphase btw?

 

[Rej]

Cooooooo? (Alright well Okosan will be back in the last hour or so of the phase to see what's up. Feel free to ask Okosan any questions and he'll respond when he gets back. Right now Okosan would be fine with a Juliet, Usopun, or Rej lynch today)

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