[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 5 - Wano Hype!

[FELI D AEROM]

Can you elaborate please here?

No need to worry stray dead anyway. Lets try to find the scum we list 3 already...
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Btw who got the skill to track people. You should use it...

 

[Jinri]

Looks like both of the popular trains were town. I'm certain that there were people that okay with either. But I will reflect tomorrow morning.

 

[joby]

Heads up, I'm moving tomorrow. Hopefully I don't get lynched with only one vote on me because I don't have the time to defend myself against convoluted attacks I'll set an alarm so I make sure to at least read what I missed and cast a vote before the day phase ends.

 

[Michelle]

trying to see if the people I need to know more about are scum or not

Well, since I am Town and if Al is Town, Drago can only be scum.

This is the proof I was right saying town can make wrong reasoning based on pushes interpretation.

How can i make sure both u and al is not scum and trying to frame drago?

Curious how no one thinked at a town vs town for all of them

I actually don't understand Al motives, to be honest... how can he suspect both Stray Cat and Drago who are biting each other throats and he's on both of them at the same time. Either it's Drago or either it's flower... choose one lol

This could show he doesn't know their alignaments because scum Al would never do this mistake and he would go pocketing one of them. An uninformed Al should be town Al.

There are few possibility

1) all 3 are town
2) drago is scum
3) maybe you are scum?

3 have less chance but still

Feli got it but let things in air without asking anyone from the 3 things to get a reaction :/

Maybe drago.

From maybe to vote here was a very short amount of posts. maybe is in post 257 at 3:57 vote is post 266 at 4:10. So also the time of 13 mins and no post from Drago in this amount of time makes me wonder what made this vote happening @FELI D AEROM

vote for @Dragon

No its more like. You were scum last game and was good at it and made 2 towny vote against me another towny. Then how will i believe that you are not doing the same now???

When you start a new game you resertart everything except the meta you picked up and how you felt reading one's posts either as scum or town. Vibe if you can feel it is more alignament indicative than you expect because mafia is like 30% an emotions game, but this cannot be the sole base for a push because you can be wrong.

Waiting Feli's answer for my question here

 

[Naomi]

With Nessos and Beky out because of silence. I don't agree with lynch.

As it's blind voting on gut. Just look what those 3 started and all ended up town. surprised scum went after stray cat, but probably saw opportunity because of how her play looked like scum(since no town protect where on her?? after her push on dragomir) , then they blocked beky and nessos.. to further get them out the way.

Not much activity, beside Juliet,michelle and joby and hayumi and wai early in game.

Though do agree with @Waindo Gambit not responding, usually he either lurks as scum or subs out.

Anyways be back later in the morning. As still night/am here.

 

[Michelle]

Naomi's Iso is not long but it doesn't show for me a scummy. agenda.
The idea of a bad town play would never benefit scum to be expressed imo. Hope I am right about her and she is a concerned villager.

Spoiler

I have better read on juliet and nessos, being town then rest.

Imo people jumping on the lynch on first day no less, whining about reads..for info. This behavior is always scum like because scum take advantage of lynches day 1.

but then again, if playing with bad town, which also do this on first day.

why you gotta show up end of day and lazily throw shade at everyone who's been active trying to make this a game up til now

It's called time zone. Plus it's still first day. You think you have god reads all of sudden along with others voting on first day??

Why do you have town reads on them? I am mostly lynching Nessos because I'm genuinely worried that the drago/stray/al situation is town vs town and I'm really unsure if a lynch on any of them is going to get us somewhere. But I'm down to change my vote if Nessos is mostly read as town. But I really don't feel the drago lynch

If your fine ignoring his early comment, of not lynching on first day. even Juliet said this same thought early on. on why it's bad idea. Because it always results in town being lynched day 1.

But a lot of you, this has happen more then once in past game. people being lynch trigger happy which votes on town mostly the first day.

Is it possible everyone voting is scum team!

You see. just because others have different opinion on matter. does not make them team.

That is the most bs excuse i'v seen through this game, and it came from you.

I seen important town roles die, which gave scum lead on first day. from past experience.

because of town lynchers (or scum) this made it easy for scum to push narrative on person voting first day which resulted in more town being lynched.

last time i saw two people taken. Was from abductor role. who able to target two people and silence.

 

[Waindo]

With Nessos and Beky out because of silence. I don't agree with lynch.

As it's blind voting on gut. Just look what those 3 started and all ended up town. surprised scum went after stray cat, but probably saw opportunity because of how her play looked like scum(since no town protect where on her?? after her push on dragomir) , then they blocked beky and nessos.. to further get them out the way.

Not much activity, beside Juliet,michelle and joby and hayumi and wai early in game.

Though do agree with @Waindo Gambit not responding, usually he either lurks as scum or subs out.

Anyways be back later in the morning. As still night/am here.

I'd advise him to respond, but as I said he is so translucent that maybe his fingers go right trough the keyboard and he can't respond. Poor Gambo.

 

[Michelle]

My third unknown question mark is for Joby.

Note: my scum read on Gambit stays, for the 3 folks I am focusing today until now, Feli, Naomi and Joby, I am searching to understand their alignament because I feel is important for the game.
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Spoiler: Joby's Iso

but first the first 2 votes of the game

vote lynch Novaselinevere

Let's lynch the host. This is confusing Maybe a joke but I have to say I dislike it

luck from dead weight ain't needed

vote oreki

First vote, now we know Al searched to make a read on the slot.

Happy hunting everyone!

that's creepy, ngl..

let’s get this started
Vote AL.

I thought this is the first vote, but no, it was like a reaction at Al voting Oreki?

This is definitely a strange response from AL and I agree with wai finding it odd as well. AL you literally voted Oreki for shits and giggles in the post before me—> I voted for you just to poke a bear....


It’s weird to me that AL. AND Wai both accuse each other of being buddy buddy with stray here... I don’t know what to make of the fact that AL. joke voted Oreki and I joke voted AL., but 7 pages after that is all AL. talking.... A LOT....

Ok. I can not believe you went back and quoted all of Wai and strays posts that’s.... a lot of effort for something that only ‘looks like’ evidence (of what I’m not sure?).

For now, unvote
I really was just fucking with AL. because we were both subbed in as mafia last game I played, I agree with @Nessos there’s no need to start a train right now.

But that little spear I tossed out into the future caught a lot more than I thought it would

Unvoting for a joking vote is not such a bad look. Except you are scum and you know your target will flip villager.

yeah, i mean, i can see why someone would use this logic but i have also had this done to me when i was town and falsely accused and it don't feel v nice (i mean its literally the most annoying thing that can happen right?)


Stray, I don't like these responses from you at this stage... your tunneling on AL. doesn't hold water to the kind of pressure you are putting on it this DP. So when you begin to resort to these sorta comments to further questioning of your reasons--can't you see you're basically doing what you say AL. is doing?

I was the second one to cast a vote (well, a vote on an actual player lol)

Anywaysies, to answer your question about stray cat, I don't like the tone that they took up after their arguments against AL. started getting prodded by people besides AL.....

But AL. also played along for 6 pages.....

But also, I don't know?! None of this feels like enough to go on to lynch ANYONE right now....

the bolded looks like a slip tbh

Are we a thing?

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no

I wonder.. If Gambit is scum and they are buddies, this is distancing.

@Dragomir @Gambit @Stray Cat @Hayumi @Waindo @Oreki @AL. what do you all make of all Nessos' posts info dumping about random scum strategy that could be used in the situation? It felt to me like it was kind of manipulative/confusing--doesn't do anything but make you second-guess your second guesses and certainly didn't help defuse the situation with AL. and stray.

My top scum suss right now is him for sure. Out of all the plays that came from that, his seemed to me the most opportunistic

Top scum Nessos. The silenced one now. And his vote going for him so early in the day but he didn't go for other target like he knew the top wagons were villas.

Vote Nessos

You guys.... I think we all assumed that this was referring to Morgan but what if Nessos is Kaido LMAO

But seriously, Nessy you ‘called me out’ for removing my vote on AL. But you don’t call AL. out for the same exact thing?

That feels so arbitrary, unless it is serving a scummy purpose.

and then there’s all of your casual and humorousjabbing at scummy AL.


you literally made a gif that said “AL SLIPPED”


Like, what? You are literally doing a more complicated version of this. Right. Now.

@Stray Cat are you scum too or why are you not seeing this? You only made a passing remark in agreement with me earlier and now have totally moved on?

shady behaviour here

My soft/flexi list of reads right now are
Nessos
AL.
Stray Cat
Drago
Waindo
Hayumi
Gambit
Nfcnorth
Not sure bout others yet

I don't really know what tof the AL/Drago/Strclusterfuck but doubt its TvTvT

Ay the text has an odd colour i think i deleted from it by mistake, i thought it's blanc space.
But the reads are the "best"
3 townies in scum reads is tio much to consider him a cautious villager. He gives me the scum vibes stronger now.

What makes you think Al and Drago are both scum? And why is Stray giving you scum gives but waindo giving you town ones

Nice question but too complex for a noob player to answer at it without making a mistake.

^^^^^ this basically. My meta read on Wai is this is not how he responds to being sussed early when he is scum.

As for the scums on my list, I don't think the 4 I listed are all on a team per se, I really can't see this play coming from Stray and Drago working together LOL, its mostly that I don't have enough info to figure out the true motivations behind both of their really strong/forceful and defensive responses this DP...

I don't really understand how to say SO AND SO IS FOR SURE 100% SCUM CUZ OF THIS THIS AND THIS this early in the game. All I can offer is approximations based on responses and tone--and the folks I listed in red have acted kind of erratically imo, angling and pressuring others to jump on an early train etc etc. The folks I listed in green have so far behaved in ways that feel thoughtful and measured so I'm leaning toward those being town.

Note; Joby never saw scum acting thoughtful and measured. He thinks scum posts with wolfy slips and bad behaviour? Just saying..

VOTE LYNCH NESSOS
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i'm sticking to my guts, nessos is scum stray

maybe. but.

@Dragomir hasn't seemed scummy to me at all--the only thing that he did which was asinine was saying he had proof nessos was scum and then never following up, but my reasons for reading Nessos for scum were solid before drago said that, and I don't like the way he's cheeped along with you @Stray Cat after you stopped sussing him.

This push for drago feels scum-guided to me, but who the fuck am i
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@Nessos so we vote drago just because he's popular?

Defending Drago could bring him town points from some ppl

Out of the three I was the most suspicious of stray cat TBH. But I think we need to look back now at who was putting pressure on those three from the outside. @Beky and @Nessos seem the most suspicious to me—but I really don’t know what to make of the whole ‘isolated from the game’ bit.

Does this mean they were silenced? I don’t think they can both be scum because if they isolated themselves it’s like announcing to everyone they are on a team. But if it is one of their abilities and the other one didn’t consent then the chance of one of them being scum seems high to me?

Beky seemed genuine to me about their reasoning for not wanting to risk a miss lynch day one—but I noticed others found this really fishy.

And the conclusion is? None from what I see. Let's look at but without really looking at.

I.... just..... can't. are you even trying?
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@Michelle I don't have to clear her going back and reading her day one posts--I participated actively in day one WITH stray cat. And it doesn't matter cuz Stray flipped town. Did I throw any shade on stray other than admitting to @Hayumi that my read on stray was off? I am surprised/sad/annoyed that AL./Drago/Stray all are gone Day one and really good town roles at that too... ESPECIALLY SINCE I SPENT ALL DAY ONE TRYING TO DIFFUSE THEIR STUPID FIGHT AND DIDN'T VOTE OR PUSH FOR ANY OF THEM

But yeah, I'm the one that is scummy.
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Right now I am looking at Michelle, Gambit, Juliet, and Nessos.
My town reads right now are Wai, nfcnorth, feliD, and Hayumi.
I don't have any read on Nayomi or Jinri

Reads I don't have base for in his posts before.

I don’t know if you are scum!! I said I suss you. People I find suspect are those who “chime in” pretty recklessly and then disappear unless they are pointed out as being read as scummy.

@Hayumi brought you up and has been making a case against you and all of a sudden you post taking my comment completely out of context—sort of like you didn’t actually read what I was saying carefully hmmmm—and twist my words into some ass-backwards logic into justifying a vote on me?

how is it not scummy to be questioned as scum, and then show up to randomly vote for someone else?

notice how I haven’t voted you carelessly yet because I am still trying to figure out with y’all who we should actually lynch today

but yeah, you aren’t acting like you care about killing scum at all. Seems to me you care more about us not talking about you slipping....

I answered at the shady-est parts of this post. This is scum mentality here.

I wish Beky was around to share his ideas on how to 'share info' here without getting killed by @Rej .........

How convenient to want Beky here when he can't talk...

Heads up, I'm moving tomorrow. Hopefully I don't get lynched with only one vote on me because I don't have the time to defend myself against convoluted attacks I'll set an alarm so I make sure to at least read what I missed and cast a vote before the day phase ends.

To read here he will be inactive with a good reason. Let me doubt this.

This all Iso gives me the heebie jeebies. In other words I think he's scum. I can post much more about him but I am waiting everyone's oppinion on him rn to check my ideas with what my town reads will post.
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Stray Cat: 3 (Dragomir, Gambit, Hayumi)
Dragomir: 4 (FELI D AEROM, Nessos, Stray Cat, Jinri)
Waindo: 1 (AL.)
Gambit: 1 (Michelle)
Nessos: 1 (joby)

Coloring the Eod VC shows how just half of players voted. If the site's playstyle is to let lurkers to not provide a stance for the game when usually the day one result is a mislynch, then I can see why no one talks about this thing. But I don't understand how this is in town's benefit.
Let's talk about Drago being "info lynch" , his wagon has 4 persons. Now I want to see the players who wanted info by lynching Drago, to post their conclusions.
@FELI D AEROM,
@Nessos,
@Jinri

also we have the wagon for Cat where alive are the 2 who are shading me like a chorus.
What conclusions do you have after the green flip of the wagon you voted for?
@Gambit,
@Hayumi

Third, i wish to know why everyone else didn't vote, except Naomi who clearly said she wants no lynch. I will not @ them but i hope to receive the answers.

 

[FELI D AEROM]

Let's talk about Drago being "info lynch" , his wagon has 4 persons. Now I want to see the players who wanted info by lynching Drago, to post their conclusions.
@FELI D AEROM,
@Nessos,
@Jinri

I vote because I agreed with cat, and I feeled like he is playing with us which was a Rookie mistake

 

[Michelle]

From maybe to vote here was a very short amount of posts. maybe is in post 257 at 3:57 vote is post 266 at 4:10. So also the time of 13 mins and no post from Drago in this amount of time makes me wonder what made this vote happening @FELI D AEROM

@FELI D AEROM please give me your insight here
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I vote because I agreed with cat, and I feeled like he is playing with us which was a Rookie mistake

Going for the rookie derp attempt is not a thing you should bring up imo.

 

[Gambit]

Sorry folks. I was on holiday with my family. No signal on top of the mountain.

It was a good move from the scums to kill off Stray and hide both Beky and Nessos.

Dragomir was lynched because of stupid plays made by Stray cat. Yes it was stupid!!! Creating havoc to the thread pinning people down and eventually shifting her gears..

Why Nessos and Beky? Well, they were quite talkative and help on progressing the dayphase although for bekey, he is more like a shifter than nessos.

I don't like Wai focusing on me quite a lot this dayphase.. Looks like he wanted to also manipulate the thread and use Stray's death as a platform mislynch me...

I also don't like how Michelle is kinda taking the lead on the game when she was on my night eye the last dayphase.

And above all, give a fuxking round of applause to Naomi who is prepared to fuxking jump on the fuxking wagon being created by the fucming buddies aka Michelle and wai.. Fuxk you all.. I swear, if u guys lynch me then congrats. 4 towns down..

Honorable mentionto zjinri who said yesterday that, it was fuxking too early to decide who tolynch but still voted..

Vote lynch Naomi

Better kill off a known scum for doing cwac for two fucking days..

Fuck u bitches!!

 

[Waindo]

Sorry folks. I was on holiday with my family. No signal on top of the mountain.

It was a good move from the scums to kill off Stray and hide both Beky and Nessos.

Dragomir was lynched because of stupid plays made by Stray cat. Yes it was stupid!!! Creating havoc to the thread pinning people down and eventually shifting her gears..

Why Nessos and Beky? Well, they were quite talkative and help on progressing the dayphase although for bekey, he is more like a shifter than nessos.

I don't like Wai focusing on me quite a lot this dayphase.. Looks like he wanted to also manipulate the thread and use Stray's death as a platform mislynch me...

I also don't like how Michelle is kinda taking the lead on the game when she was on my night eye the last dayphase.

And above all, give a fuxking round of applause to Naomi who is prepared to fuxking jump on the fuxking wagon being created by the fucming buddies aka Michelle and wai.. Fuxk you all.. I swear, if u guys lynch me then congrats. 4 towns down..

Honorable mentionto zjinri who said yesterday that, it was fuxking too early to decide who tolynch but still voted..

Vote lynch Naomi

Better kill off a known scum for doing cwac for two fucking days..

Fuck u bitches!!

I'm pressuring u cuz of certain something that turnt to nothing, and if that nothing became something I would actually know on which colour spectre you belong.

 

[Hayumi]

@Michelle so tell me why you and others formed a wagon against Gambit now? I was sleeping and wake up to see this. Come on now you proved my own suspicions that one of you is scum. Unless you are pulling a stray and fucking town over when both of you are town. Wouldn't a safer lynch be someone like Jinri, who said they didn't want to vote a lynch, but than voted last second after being gone the WHOLE GAME in order to and I quote, "Get info" like first of all, that drago lynch didn't help town in the slightest, and secondly Jinri is yet again nowhere to be found, so if we make another mistake while scum just sits back and laughs, and some of them probably jumping on the wagon themselves, imma be hella pissed. I might have to reread posts from d1 but I'm not understanding this sudden wagon

 

[FELI D AEROM]

@FELI D AEROM please give me your insight here
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Going for the rookie derp attempt is not a thing you should bring up imo.

Iam trying best. Since I don't know how everyone plays when they are scum or town . I can't guess anything...

 

[Gambit]

@Michelle so tell me why you and others formed a wagon against Gambit now? I was sleeping and wake up to see this. Come on now you proved my own suspicions that one of you is scum. Unless you are pulling a stray and fucking town over when both of you are town. Wouldn't a safer lynch be someone like Jinri, who said they didn't want to vote a lynch, but than voted last second after being gone the WHOLE GAME in order to and I quote, "Get info" like first of all, that drago lynch didn't help town in the slightest, and secondly Jinri is yet again nowhere to be found, so if we make another mistake while scum just sits back and laughs, and some of them probably jumping on the wagon themselves, imma be hella pissed. I might have to reread posts from d1 but I'm not understanding this sudden wagon

I was about to say that it somehow pulled the string to tie the votes... It's not a coincidence

 

[Hayumi]

My third unknown question mark is for Joby.

Note: my scum read on Gambit stays, for the 3 folks I am focusing today until now, Feli, Naomi and Joby, I am searching to understand their alignament because I feel is important for the game.
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Spoiler: Joby's Iso

but first the first 2 votes of the game

Let's lynch the host. This is confusing Maybe a joke but I have to say I dislike it

First vote, now we know Al searched to make a read on the slot.

that's creepy, ngl..

I thought this is the first vote, but no, it was like a reaction at Al voting Oreki?

Unvoting for a joking vote is not such a bad look. Except you are scum and you know your target will flip villager.

the bolded looks like a slip tbh


I wonder.. If Gambit is scum and they are buddies, this is distancing.

Top scum Nessos. The silenced one now. And his vote going for him so early in the day but he didn't go for other target like he knew the top wagons were villas.


shady behaviour here

Ay the text has an odd colour i think i deleted from it by mistake, i thought it's blanc space.
But the reads are the "best"
3 townies in scum reads is tio much to consider him a cautious villager. He gives me the scum vibes stronger now.

Nice question but too complex for a noob player to answer at it without making a mistake.

Note; Joby never saw scum acting thoughtful and measured. He thinks scum posts with wolfy slips and bad behaviour? Just saying..

maybe. but.

Defending Drago could bring him town points from some ppl

And the conclusion is? None from what I see. Let's look at but without really looking at.

Reads I don't have base for in his posts before.

I answered at the shady-est parts of this post. This is scum mentality here.

How convenient to want Beky here when he can't talk...
To read here he will be inactive with a good reason. Let me doubt this.

This all Iso gives me the heebie jeebies. In other words I think he's scum. I can post much more about him but I am waiting everyone's oppinion on him rn to check my ideas with what my town reads will post.
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Coloring the Eod VC shows how just half of players voted. If the site's playstyle is to let lurkers to not provide a stance for the game when usually the day one result is a mislynch, then I can see why no one talks about this thing. But I don't understand how this is in town's benefit.
Let's talk about Drago being "info lynch" , his wagon has 4 persons. Now I want to see the players who wanted info by lynching Drago, to post their conclusions.
@FELI D AEROM,
@Nessos,
@Jinri

also we have the wagon for Cat where alive are the 2 who are shading me like a chorus.
What conclusions do you have after the green flip of the wagon you voted for?
@Gambit,
@Hayumi

Third, i wish to know why everyone else didn't vote, except Naomi who clearly said she wants no lynch. I will not @ them but i hope to receive the answers.

Tbh, I was shocked at the start of this day phase, I had been pushing for Stray basically all game because, yet again, their push on drago was one of the most unnecessary things I've seen. It wasn't about Stray being aggressive, it was more about their original basis changing from Oh he's defending Al who is obviously scum to all of a sudden. "Guys Drago is scum" , "Guys what do you think about Drago?" , ect. And I was like ok this is coming across as really weak reasoning to me. So of course I voted for them despite knowing Drago was going to be lynched as I even stated. But now that all 3 are dead, I need to really look at the other people who voted Drago. Nessos is pretty much out of the picture as scum but Feli and Jinri are both still suspects. I need to read up more before I rest my vote on someone but you recent behavior, @Michelle , is kind of reminding me of when Stray was hardcore pushing on Drago to an extent. And if Gambit flips scum than obviously I believe you are town because that would be super unnecessary for you to make a push on him. But say he flips town, where do we go from there? I mean there's the people I mentioned who voted for Drago and haven't really been pressured much, and than there's people jumping on the Gambit wagon so I'm pretty unsure atm.

 

[Gambit]

I was about to say that it somehow pulled the string to tie the votes... It's not a coincidence

There's a correction made by rej. It didn't actually tie it but subdued to elevate DZrago to lynch home.. Well..
Vig Naomi and unvote...

Vote lynch Jinri

 

[Rej]

Votecounts:

Michelle -> joby
Gambit -> Naomi -> Jinri

joby: 1 (Michelle)
Jinri: 1 (Gambit)

 

[Waindo]

Of the*

I'm pressuring u cuz of certain something that turnt to nothing, and if that nothing became something I would actually know on which colour spectre you belong.

Your silence on this after all of my posts is worrying me Gambo.

 

[joby]

@Michelle i can’t go through every single thing you knitpicked right now in that giant post ISOing me or whatever you call it.

right off the bat the thing you bolted as a slip is so weird to me—u bold less than half the sentence “when I was town AND FALSELY ACCUSED BEFORE”

the important qualifier in that statement is the part I bolder in all caps which you ignored. Because at the point I made that comment I was comparing someone else’s current situation in this game to a situation when I was town AND BEING FALSELY ACCUSED BEFORE.

what you said before about me getting singled out for joke voting AL. for joke voting Oreki and thenremoving my joke vote after he removed his—I agree with!! WHY WAS I SINGLED OUT AS THE SUSPICIOUS ONE FOR VOTING IN MY SECOND POST WHEN IT WAS SO CLEARY A JOKE.

It sucks that I am busy defending myself against the same weird Bullshit things instead of having the time to actually read into other players tohelp find scum
Ok brb going to go finish reading the 1,000 quotes of mine you are interrogating in that post so I can answer all your questions.

maybe if I keep playing along you will slip?
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I wonder.. If Gambit is scum and they are buddies, this is distancing.

I literally was just responding to him jokingly hitting on me LMAO it was DISTANCING just not for the reasons you think lol
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Unvoting for a joking vote is not such a bad look. Except you are scum and you know your target will flip villager.

No. It was a joke. Because I didn’t like that my joke vote on AL. ended up making everyone tunnel on him and I thought that the things they were picking on him for are things townies tend to get picked on for more than scums I think. It was literally within the first 3 hours of the game. I felt uncomfortable having such a careless joke of mine get co-opted and I suspected that scum were trying to push it.
for what it’s worth, I also really disliked the people that joke-vote the hosts....