Future Events Kyoshiro & Komurasaki/Hirori's Relationship // Do you trust on them?

[Jake Wu Long]

What is the true relation and past between this two characters?

What is their position to the alliance?

We can really trust in both considering there's a supose traitor in the lines?

With the information given in the manga until now, the situation in Orochi's banquet, the very diferent personality of Komurasaki and Hirori, the time gap where Hiyori escaped from Kawamatsu and aparently was protected by someone and so on.

In summary, rare things happen to stranger persons. I think they may have a very close relation (lovers?) and their own plans in the future.

All depends on Kyoshiro's true identity (for me) of being Denjiro or not. And thats is another matter intereting to discuss here.

I invite you all! to share your thoughts and feelings here.

 

[Kibi]

Komurasaki/Hiyori we can trust 100%

 

[Jake Wu Long]

Komurasaki/Hiyori we can trust 100%

We can trust in that they are the same person at least.

 

[Kusanagi Kyo]

In Hiyori we can trust, she's really concerned with her country, she genuinely wants to see Orochi's dead body, but the problem is her relationship with Kyoshiro and Kyoshiro himself.

I was considering that Hiyori could be Kyoshiro's lover until she started to interact with Zoro… from the moment she started getting close to Zoro I disregarded that possibility. One Piece is not a romance manga, so I don't think Oda would create a narrative where he makes Hiyori close to Zoro only to reveal later on in the arc that she is Kyoshiro's lover. Zoro is inheriting Oden's will, Enma will probably be Zoro's next blade as the color page of the chapter 937 suggested and also, Enma is a memento of the Kozuki family, Hiyori has to pass Enma to her lineage, to her son or to her husband, and she's giving it to Zoro... I didn't want to go there but well... What can I do ? Their development is not for no reason or purpose.

Kyoshiro is definitely Denjiro, Over The Top was clear and Kyoshiro is definitely older than Hiyori. She's 26 and it's confirmed that he rised her as an Oiran probably in order to keep her safe, but it seems that she had a plan to kill Orochi, she said to Zoro that she wishes she could kill Orochi with her own hands and if you remember, Hiyori as Komurasaki was about to marry Orochi and I'm assuming that this was all in order to kill Orochi and Kyoshiro knew it. Kyoshiro probably said something like:

"If you do something to Orochi we'll have to forge your death"

Maybe because he needs her alive to achieve his goal if he has a plan on his own. If Zoro clashes with Kyoshiro again Hiyori will be the trigger and if he has some plan he needs Hiyori alive for some reason. But if he is a good guy, then this explain why he took care of Hiyori for 13 years.

 

[Nessos]

It seems like Komurasaki/Hiyori and Kyoshiro and tricked evil guys like Bingo, Bango and Bongo(or whatever their names were).

On top of that we know that Kyoshiro helped Hiyori to escape and that he is still acting as if she is really dead.

Based on Hiyori reaction about the gake news that "Witchinghour Boy was catched". There is a high chance tuat Kyoshiro is the Witchinghour Boy.

 

[Rej]

I can only sheep Nessos and the previous ones on this one.
I also think that Hiyori and Kyoshiro will play a role in getting Momonosuke to lead the land of Wano!

 

[Jake Wu Long]

In Hiyori we can trust, she's really concerned with her country, she genuinely wants to see Orochi's dead body, but the problem is her relationship with Kyoshiro and Kyoshiro himself.

I was considering that Hiyori could be Kyoshiro's lover until she started to interact with Zoro… from the moment she started getting close to Zoro I disregarded that possibility. One Piece is not a romance manga, so I don't think Oda would create a narrative where he makes Hiyori close to Zoro only to reveal later on in the arc that she is Kyoshiro's lover. Zoro is inheriting Oden's will, Enma will probably be Zoro's next blade as the color page of the chapter 937 suggested and also, Enma is a memento of the Kozuki family, Hiyori has to pass Enma to her lineage, to her son or to her husband, and she's giving it to Zoro... I didn't want to go there but well... What can I do ? Their development is not for no reason or purpose.

Kyoshiro is definitely Denjiro, Over The Top was clear and Kyoshiro is definitely older than Hiyori. She's 26 and it's confirmed that he rised her as an Oiran probably in order to keep her safe, but it seems that she had a plan to kill Orochi, she said to Zoro that she wishes she could kill Orochi with her own hands and if you remember, Hiyori as Komurasaki was about to marry Orochi and I'm assuming that this was all in order to kill Orochi and Kyoshiro knew it. Kyoshiro probably said something like:

"If you do something to Orochi we'll have to forge your death"

Maybe because he needs her alive to achieve his goal if he has a plan on his own. If Zoro clashes with Kyoshiro again Hiyori will be the trigger and if he has some plan he needs Hiyori alive for some reason. But if he is a good guy, then this explain why he took care of Hiyori for 13 years.

I think Kyoshiro is a good guy, but the question is why he decided (obligated?) to stay in Orochi's army as his actual yakuza boss. Could be because he wanted to take control about this power position in benefit of Kozuki lineage (including Hiyori pricess) and the alliance in the future? It seems like and acting to me since his presentation in the manga and his awful words to Orochi.

The romance come to my mind in some way when i think in the movie "Memories of a Geisha", just in the moment when Komurasaki's flashback was revealed.
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It seems like Komurasaki/Hiyori and Kyoshiro and tricked evil guys like Bingo, Bango and Bongo(or whatever their names were).

On top of that we know that Kyoshiro helped Hiyori to escape and that he is still acting as if she is really dead.

Based on Hiyori reaction about the gake news that "Witchinghour Boy was catched". There is a high chance tuat Kyoshiro is the Witchinghour Boy.

The person in who i can't trust yet is Komurasaki's character, but all seems like an acting of Hiyori being Komurasaki and Kyoshiro being like you said Witching hour boy? is a good possibilitie, added to the fact that i thought when they don't see things turning around in the favour of people of Wano suffer in several years, then they planned to begin the double personality thing and help their country in some not especificated way.

 

[Lemonade]

We need to know more about Kyoshiro and Hiyori's flashbacks since the time she left Kawamatsu. It's possible Kyoshiro's only working for Orochi to gather intel on him before betraying him. Also we haven't seen interactions between Kyoshiro and Ashura or Kawamatsu

 

[Jake Wu Long]

We need to know more about Kyoshiro and Hiyori's flashbacks since the time she left Kawamatsu. It's possible Kyoshiro's only working for Orochi to gather intel on him before betraying him. Also we haven't seen interactions between Kyoshiro and Ashura or Kawamatsu

Yes we need those flashbacks and we'll have it in the third act i think.

The fact that Kyoshiro has haven't interactions with the Nine Scabbars is very convennient to the plot

 

[Haku]

My theory Kyoshiro cares for Komurasaki then found out she was Hyori and didn't give her in and help her escape because he was or in love with here or care deeply bout her already

 

[Balthazar D. Kenway]

I trust Komurasaki but Kyoshiro is still officially an enemy so no reason to trust him. Even if he is Denjiro, he could have switched sides.

 

[Jake Wu Long]

I trust Komurasaki but Kyoshiro is still officially an enemy so no reason to trust him. Even if he is Denjiro, he could have switched sides.

In my case i would say i trust in Kyoshiro since he mocked on Orochi in his introduction. After that he saved Komurasaki from Orochi's party, and then fought with Zoro just to "act casually".

I don't know, don't seem to me like a bad guy. Indeed, is like he hides something important. Is not Orochi's " Dog" how he remarked so softly i bet.

 

[Lemonade]

In my case i would say i trust in Kyoshiro since he mocked on Orochi in his introduction. After that he saved Komurasaki from Orochi's party, and then fought with Zoro just to "act casually".

I don't know, don't seem to me like a bad guy. Indeed, is like he hides something important. Is not Orochi's " Dog" how he remarked so softly i bet.

Kyoshiro might actually be the main arc villain. He has direct access to Queen as he ordered his subordinates to contact Queen and send the Flying Six to attack and capture Sanji. It'd be pretty impactful if Kyoshiro ends up killing Orochi, stealing his fruit and becoming the new Shogun while strengthening the anti-Alliance factions.

 

[Jake Wu Long]

Well, now in chapter 958 Kyoshiro is protecting the capital alone in the absence of Orochi & Oniwabanshu...so convenient...

What will Kyoshiro be doing at capital? Seriously is in flower capital? A visit to Hiyori? He would chatch her? Or what are they planning (together?).

 

[Nessos]

Kyoshiro will end up being a good guy.

 

[Jake Wu Long]

Kyoshiro will end up being a good guy.

To me as many could be Denjiro, because already is a good guy undercover.

 

[God_Usopun]

I' m still inclined to think that Kyoshiro is Denjiro. He and Hiyori definitely got some plan agenda for Orochi

 

[Jake Wu Long]

I' m still inclined to think that Kyoshiro is Denjiro. He and Hiyori definitely got some plan agenda for Orochi

That agenda i think is moving on right now!
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Well Denjiro is actually Kyoshiro.

Now what comes next with Denjiro & Hiyori?

Scream at loud to the raid they played a hidden game?

In all these years Denjiro being Kyoshiro. He must know or have something important to plot twist purposes and benefit the raid. What could be that?

Comment!

 

[Nessos]

In all these years Denjiro being Kyoshiro. He must know or have something important to plot twist purposes and benefit the raid. What could be that?

Senjirou didn't wanna reveal not even to the scabbards. So the answer is simple: Denjirou tries to find the traitor!

Thats why I bet that we with Denjirou revealing himself infront of the others also got the traitor.

 

[stala_dynar]

Thats why I bet that we with Denjirou revealing himself infront of the others also got the traitor.

Could be the case, I agree. He knows more and when the time comes and they reunite as whole he will expose the traitor. He's been close to Orochi all the time and stuff.