[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[tedxtr]

Well, if you think portraying me as "doesn't read posts and makes bad arguments" in order to defend against my case on you, I'll leave it on the record that you never really explained how or if I was misinterpreting your points.

 

[Beky]

That's not how I perceived that thing, though.

Not Michelle was defending joby and Gambit, Nessos was defending them. Hence his line about the suspects and Town creds. There are also double standards involved when he accuses Onadaga, Michelle and Beky buddying while he himself is openly buddying with joby and Gambit which Michelle noticed to which Nessos went all defensive. So given that, how is that a Town behaviour, exactly?

I just wanna add that Nessos seemed way more defensive than Michelle

 

[Stray Cat]

And now the line about being fine with a mislynch, that's not how you play. That's just not. Regardless of alignment you have to fight to survive. Every Townie is important, every mislynch hurts Town. For that line alone he is scum.

 

[tedxtr]

Defensiveness is not a scum tell.

If you got called for not doing anything when you are in the process of doing something, you'd be defensive and pissed as well. And that's most likely NAI anyway, in this certain scenario.

Michelle literally told him "you're posting useless stuff, can you be useful" and you expect him to maintain his composure? Lol.

 

[Stray Cat]

I just wanna add that Nessos seemed way more defensive than Michelle

Michelle's reaction was quite solid. She remained calm and quite relaxed.

 

[Dragomir]

First, I want to say defensiveness is not a scum tell.

Moving on, Nesso's thought process (or as I see it, at least) is that he was trying to gain reactions from his scum reads. Michelle reacted unreasonably and a bit out of character, Nesso perceived it as a slight defence of gambit and joby, while still explaining to Michelle that his way of sorting people also works.

Your gaining town credit is...well. He was referring to joby and gambit as scum and gaining town credit, not town gaining town credit.

And everything out of there is pure WIFOM and you are biased. Nobody accused joby and gambit except for you, which was a post ago. It's a very thin line to walk on, you're basically saying he's scum for being defensive about something that was really out of character and uncalled for Michelle. He wasn't being defensive because his buddies were outed lol.

I'm pretty sure Nessos didn't perceive it as a defense on Joby and Gambit. I think he meant that Michelle was getting defensive about herself. He said that she was trying to stop those two from gaining town cred, which doesn't make any sense if he thought Mich was defending them. You don't defend someone by trying to stop them from doing anything.

You said that Nessos is town. You have failed to explain why and only just defended him in this post. So, what is the reason for him being town?

 

[tedxtr]

I'm pretty sure Nessos didn't perceive it as a defense on Joby and Gambit. I think he meant that Michelle was getting defensive about herself. He said that she was trying to stop those two from gaining town cred, which doesn't make any sense if he thought Mich was defending them. You don't defend someone by trying to stop them from doing anything.

You said that Nessos is town. You have failed to explain why and only just defended him in this post. So, what is the reason for him being town?

I'm cocky and think I have a strong town core. I also think Beky is scum and him pushing Nesso's is an easy and natural thing to do.

We'll just let Nessos clarify what he meant. I am treating him unfairly as well as Beky by doing this, but it is what it is

 

[Stray Cat]

Defensiveness is not a scum tell.

If you got called for not doing anything when you are in the process of doing something, you'd be defensive and pissed as well. And that's most likely NAI anyway, in this certain scenario.

Michelle literally told him "you're posting useless stuff, can you be useful" and you expect him to maintain his composure? Lol.

I had people coming at me and pressuring me at the start of this DP and could maintain composure. Do I expect others to do the same? Yes, I do. Townies have to keep calm in order to calmly analyze things. This is the key to playing.

 

[tedxtr]

Drago, apparently you know where Beky said how Stray was being inconsistent, wanna let me in on the whole thing?

 

[Dragomir]

Defensiveness is not a scum tell.

If you got called for not doing anything when you are in the process of doing something, you'd be defensive and pissed as well. And that's most likely NAI anyway, in this certain scenario.

Michelle literally told him "you're posting useless stuff, can you be useful" and you expect him to maintain his composure? Lol.

I agree with the first line.

I will answer your rhetorical question here(It's rhetorical right?). Yes, Nessos should have definitely remained his composure. Ain't nothing about what Michelle said that warrants not being composed. He has played games where he was insulted and ridiculed by worse from a player named Muugen. What Mich said there is literally nothing in comparison to the insults Muugen gives ppl.

But that's just my take on it. I don't even know if he lost his composure or not, just wanted to answer in a hypothetical scenario.

 

[Dragomir]

I'm cocky and think I have a strong town core. I also think Beky is scum and him pushing Nesso's is an easy and natural thing to do.

We'll just let Nessos clarify what he meant. I am treating him unfairly as well as Beky by doing this, but it is what it is

Wait, so is Beky's natural push on Nessos a bad thing?

 

[Beky]

Well, if you think portraying me as "doesn't read posts and makes bad arguments" in order to defend against my case on you, I'll leave it on the record that you never really explained how or if I was misinterpreting your points.

1. You didn't read my posts since you asked me 2 times already to show where i said stuff and you asked flower the same thing to show where i said something
2. Your arguments stem from picking posts you find scummy or can spin scummy. Cause considering you have point 1 going for you you are cherry picking stuff to fit your arguments.
3. When i did defend myself you said you don't wanna engage in that discussion with me but now you do all of a sudden?

So do note what ever you want. I won't take it serious at all since you obv have massive fallacy in your approach to dealing with me. So until you fix your approach you don't need to bother talking to me.

 

[tedxtr]

I had people coming at me and pressuring me at the start of this DP and could maintain composure. Do I expect others to do the same? Yes, I do. Townies have to keep calm in order to calmly analyze things. This is the key to playing.

This is lacking any empathy. It's a team game. Empathy means everything. You have to detach yourself of your existing beliefs and try and see if the person's thought process makes sense.

Expecting other people to be as mentally capable as you is not fair. Not to you, as a player who's looking to solve the game, and not to the person you're holding in contempt for not acting to your pre-estabilished idea of what town should act like.

 

[Dragomir]

Drago, apparently you know where Beky said how Stray was being inconsistent, wanna let me in on the whole thing?

I think it'd be easier if you just isoed him. You can find the posts where he's talking about inconsistency pretty easily. I'd much rather not do it on my phone right now.

 

[tedxtr]

Is the inconsistency literally Stray not scum reading Beky when she scum read Ona?

 

[Dragomir]

Is the inconsistency literally Stray not scum reading Beky when she scum read Ona?

I think that's part of it but there's another where he talks about Stray's read list. I don't remember the details exactly.

 

[tedxtr]

I've already commented on both those things on my wall.

 

[Stray Cat]

This is lacking any empathy. It's a team game. Empathy means everything. You have to detach yourself of your existing beliefs and try and see if the person's thought process makes sense.

Expecting other people to be as mentally capable as you is not fair. Not to you, as a player who's looking to solve the game, and not to the person you're holding in contempt for not acting to your pre-estabilished idea of what town should act like.

You're missing the point here. We all know Nessos' play and we are confident he can maintain composure when Town. But here he goes saying he is fine with being mislynched? And again, you have yet to demonstrate why he is Town. Give us a solid reason why we should think that. Because right now you are defending him for no visible reason tbh.

 

[Dragomir]

I agree with the first line.

Actually, hold up. I take this back. Being defensive is a scum tell when it's not warranted. If your defense does not warrant the suspicion given onto you, then I find that to be very scummy.

 

[tedxtr]

Actually, hold up. I take this back. Being defensive is a scum tell when it's not warranted. If your defense does not warrant the suspicion given onto you, then I find that to be very scummy.

Defensiveness is not a scum tell.

If you got called for not doing anything when you are in the process of doing something, you'd be defensive and pissed as well. And that's most likely NAI anyway, in this certain scenario.

Michelle literally told him "you're posting useless stuff, can you be useful" and you expect him to maintain his composure? Lol.