[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[tedxtr]

Also, another question: How do you know so much about my play style? You're playing with me for the first time. So how come you know that I'm taking on more of a leading role in games as you implied with "revolving around me"? Your defense seems to be well prepared for somebody who is new to my style.

I have eyes and I read posts.

From “The scum with this specific kill are targeting me for sure, for sure!”. I think that it’s a pretty dead giveaway.

Or were you trying to dig yourself into WIFOM rabbit holes again by tying me to someone who knows you, like Gambit and Nessos

 

[Samael]

You guys did the same with Nataly in the last game on NF (my UN there is Flower btw). Not sure if it was the reason, but it pays off when the person who Town read you gets killed when you're scum.

yoooo what’s good! Lmaooo,i get what you’re saying but man Nataly
was a scum mate I don’t remember us being on opposite sides and me pulling the strategy you’re suggesting. Be more specific bro, I want to see where your heads at, I’m still town reading and I’ll be damned if I trust teds judgement and I hope gambit isn’t serious about wagoning because it’s s
Bad look.

 

[Stray Cat]

yoooo what’s good! Lmaooo,i get what you’re saying but man Nataly
was a scum mate I don’t remember us being on opposite sides and me pulling the strategy you’re suggesting. Be more specific bro, I want to see where your heads at, I’m still town reading and I’ll be damned if I trust teds judgement and I hope gambit isn’t serious about wagoning because it’s s
Bad look.

The point is Ted seems to be panicking. Or do you think he made this long post right now and not in advance xD. He is too well prepared to throw shades at me it's not even funny anymore.

 

[Samael]

Going to work, break at 7. Be there then fuck Walmart

 

[Stray Cat]

I have eyes and I read posts.

From “The scum with this specific kill are targeting me for sure, for sure!”. I think that it’s a pretty dead giveaway.

Or were you trying to dig yourself into WIFOM rabbit holes again by tying me to someone who knows you, like Gambit and Nessos

Honestly not sure what you're trying to argue here. You can say the same about Gambit who also said he might get killed. And who jumped on my wagon. So why are you ignoring that, huh?

 

[Michelle]

Final Vote Count

Onadaga – Gambit > Dragomir > Gambit > Beky > Dragomir > Juliet
Dragomir – Nessos
Nessos – Beky > Nessos > Tedxter
Tedxter – Beky > Samael > Beky > Shottie > Nessos > Michelle > Juliet > Nessos > Juliet
Stray Cat – Samael > Gambit > Nessos > Gambit > Onadaga > Gambit > Juliet > Onadaga
Oreki – Nessos > Juliet
Michelle – Gambit > Waindo
Gambit – Gambit > Michelle
Rej – Juliet > Gambit > Juliet
Beky – Michelle > Tedxter
Juliet – Oreki
Waindo – Rej > Juliet
Law – Odanaga

Total -

Juliet – 5 - Onadaga, Tedxter, Oreki, Rej, Waindo
Tedxter - 2 - Nessos, Beky
Onadaga – 2 - Stray Cat , Law
Waindo / Oreki / Michelle / Nessos – 1

I needed this to think at it.
Going to play in the morning because is 11 pm.

 

[tedxtr]

Level of engagement in a Champions Practice game and reads based on it are not only useless, but also highly inaccurate.

There are people that try in games. There are people that don’t.

Of course the post was written in advance, why does it matter though???

You tend to analyse stuff during the night phase with new flips. I don’t see what’s so scum indicative about playing the game.
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Honestly not sure what you're trying to argue here. You can say the same about Gambit who also said he might get killed. And who jumped on my wagon. So why are you ignoring that, huh?

I town read the guy and I expect town to pile up on you more because of your analysis as well as you calling people scum for the most unrelated things. Spite votes are a thing.

 

[Stray Cat]

It isn't, in fact I'm spamming the host with long essays about my reads. What doesn't, though, is that all your posts are about discrediting me which is exactly what I thought scum would try and what I accuse you of.
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Level of engagement in a Champions Practice game and reads based on it are not only useless, but also highly inaccurate.

There are people that try in games. There are people that don’t.

Of course the post was written in advance, why does it matter though???

You tend to analyse stuff during the night phase with new flips. I don’t see what’s so scum indicative about playing the game.
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I town read the guy and I expect town to pile up on you more because of your analysis as well as you calling people scum for the most unrelated things. Spite votes are a thing.

You Town read the guy who is jumping on my lynch train without naming any reason? Yeah, nice.
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@Beky @Rej when you are here, can you give your thoughts on that situation, please?

 

[tedxtr]

I’m not discrediting anything, I’m pointing out how non-sensical your analysis is.

If you even want to actually place yourself in my shoes to see whether I’m town or not, then I’ll let you in on my point of view.

I thought your EoD was horrible. I also think that this game makes no sense unless there is an active person that infiltrated the town block. You fit the profile perfectly for the job, because not only one, but two people have painted you like a scum mastermind.

You say stuff like “I will probably die” when you’ve pushed the entire playerlist and the only thing you could’ve potentially died off was being town read.

And the first thing that you do when day starts is to react to an event as if you know it’s incriminating you and you desperately feel the need to clear yourself before anyone makes the comment, when I’m trying to tell you that no town would’ve ever thought about the kill being made to discredit you. Your entire Night kill analysis is naturally pointing towards yourself INSTEAD of looking to see who could’ve made the kill in that game state. You didn’t even have the click to look elsewhere, and only within you, which I don’t really get.
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On top of that, a part of frustration is placed in the vote, actually tons of it, because I grew tired of this “woe is me” attitude and I want you to actually do anything else but talk about yourself. Furthermore, your accusations are very surface level and belittling. Also annoying, because they are very improbable.

One important thing to remember is that villagers are the pros, and wolves are the suckers. Villagers rely on PROBABILITY, and wolves thrive on POSSIBILITY.

Your pushes are borderline with impossibility which naturally makes me want to scum read you as well.

All these things connected are what made me vote you.

 

[Stray Cat]

I’m not discrediting anything, I’m pointing out how non-sensical your analysis is.

If you even want to actually place yourself in my shoes to see whether I’m town or not, then I’ll let you in on my point of view.

I thought your EoD was horrible. I also think that this game makes no sense unless there is an active person that infiltrated the town block. You fit the profile perfectly for the job, because not only one, but two people have painted you like a scum mastermind.

You say stuff like “I will probably die” when you’ve pushed the entire playerlist and the only thing you could’ve potentially died off was being town read.

And the first thing that you do when day starts is to react to an event as if you know it’s incriminating you and you desperately feel the need to clear yourself before anyone makes the comment, when I’m trying to tell you that no town would’ve ever thought about the kill being made to discredit you. Your entire Night kill analysis is naturally pointing towards yourself INSTEAD of looking to see who could’ve made the kill in that game state. You didn’t even have the click to look elsewhere, and only within you, which I don’t really get.

Those are again very elaborate thoughts there. Yes, there is an active person that's scum in the Town block. The fact that you bring this up means you know somebody infiltrated the core. And that is you.

 

[tedxtr]

I want to work with you but I can’t even state my concerns because I get pushed in an “lol you for pushing me, anyone that pushes me is obvious scum” and it’s very frustrating. This is probably a lot more why I jumped on you.

People that aren’t willing to work with others in the slightest aren’t furthering the town wincon at all.

If you are town, please listen to others and remember that it’s an uninformed majority game, a lot of town will push you. Actually, if you think about it, if you think you are so obviously town, why would scum want to push you if they knew you’d react this way?

Please stop calling every post that ties you to anything scum.

 

[Rej]

phew big detailled wallposts by ted, I don't understand the votes on ted, I interpret ted vs Stray as a culture clash and Waindo strangely sides with Stray Cat, I don't like it

as for the nightkill, Onadaga brought up this distracting PR talk, maybe mafia killed him because they suspected him to be a PR? else I have no idea, will have to check the PR talk from Onadaga and which people interacted with him or tried to discredit him, I was involved there as this is always dangerous habitat

I am gaming with friends right now, I am a bit busy but I will check this thread and throw stuff in and answer questions

 

[tedxtr]

Those are again very elaborate thoughts there. Yes, there is an active person that's scum in the Town block. The fact that you bring this up means you know somebody infiltrated the core. And that is you.

Exactly what I’m talking about.

If it’s the same thought you had, why not think that I can just be a town that reached a similar conclusion and that’s why I pushed you?

Everything devoid of context is scummy, that’s the nature of the game. Not every scummy action is scum.

 

[Rej]

Onadagas main suspect was Drago, @Dragomir fam need your thoughts about the nightkill

 

[Stray Cat]

Don't you realize I'm listening to others by voting for you now? You were in my Town read list for a long time and it needed a lot for me to put you in my scum read list.

A lot of tinfoiling and considering people's perspective. I am especially talking about Nessos' reads. When Town his reads are oftenly spot on and when scum he likes to bus. And he was very vocal about you being scum.

Now let me name the reasons that also speak for voting you:

You defended Nessos when most people were scum reading him.
You cherry picked Beky's posts which looked like shade throwing.
You voted for Michelle when Gambit did.
You voted for me and Gambit followed.
You backpedalled on the Michelle vote which looked like you were scared since she would flip Town and you knew.
Then you wanted to lynch Nessos when others were voting Juliet which seemed like you were trying to not seem sheepy.
Then you said the people that scum read Nessos and are not voting him should be looked at.
Then my scum read was killed and flipped Town.


Since you love putting yourself in other's shoes and expect the same from me, why don't you look at those points and put yourself in my shoes. Tell me how I cannot scum read you at this point.
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Another fact you're apparently overlooking which seems like an odd thing given that you apparently love tinfoiling is that scum is unlikely to attack a Town read person when there are JOATs that can protect that person. Towards the end of day Onadaga was suspected by some, so he was a better target than the other Town read players.

 

[tedxtr]

I almost never tinfoil, Oda being killed because he was obvious town is the most simple and probable explanation there is.

I can go into why each point that you made is inherently flawed and is nothing any more likelier to catch you a scum than rand chance, but if I did, then I’d be scum for invalidating your points.
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I am interested in talking with Okosan, Shottie and Trafalgar this day phase, I think we all should. They are most likely null or are somewhat controversial slots.

 

[Stray Cat]

No, you have to explain yourself. If my points are invalid, then tell me how. This is how this works. Because if I'm so scummy, then my points would be lies. So why are you afraid of being scum read when I'm the scum and you're the Town? You are contradicting yourself there, Ted.

 

[tedxtr]

I highly encourage everyone to post some form of readslist with explanations to how you got there, not just for the sake of reads. I’m more so interested into how you reached those reads rather than what they actually are.

 

[Stray Cat]

And there goes the deflecting.

 

[tedxtr]

No, you have to explain yourself. If my points are invalid, then tell me how. This is how this works. Because if I'm so scummy, then my points would be lies. So why are you afraid of being scum read when I'm the scum and you're the Town? You are contradicting yourself there, Ted.

I’m not afraid of being scum read, I am annoyed at your push, because a lot of your arguments are not alignment indicative at all. I’m not going to waste my time arguing against your points, because it’s an endless loop where I’m always scum for doing something. If it’s not for something that I am doing, it will be because of something that Gambit does, or something like me and Gambit post at the same time.

I’d much rather use my time by working with people who are willing to hear me out and work with me, rather than call me scum for every non-alignment indicative thing.

And in the process of doing that, your read on me will probably also go away, because you’ll see that you are wrong.

You are tunneled, what you need to do is opposite from demanding every answer from me to your questions, it’s actually seeing me interact with other people.
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@Rej @Michelle

Let me know where you guys are at, let’s work together. We have a non-functional town block, we don’t even have a town block to begin with and we need some sort of working alliance thing in order to steer other townies into wanting to work with us.