[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Waindo]

Why do you suspect Ted, Shottie, and me?

I'm not going to fucking repeat myself 612 times.

 

[Stray Cat]

1. I know nothing of any shade throwing.

2. She did not tunnel in the slightest. What she did to Oreki was at most what you did against Gambit during D1. Having an interaction with your scum read and questioning them for their play is not tunneling. Also, tunneling is not scummy. If anything, it's a townie trait.

3. Quote me her post on that.

Found where Stray gave Gambit a kick in the butt... hind sight not much of one.

That post insinuating TvT.

Stray may get mislynched if she keeps tunneling and hanging on to one person.

That post her TMIng me Town.

 

[tedxtr]

Waindo is always getting lynched later if we don't lynch scum in the next two phases, can we stop talking about him please?

The reason we're not progressing in any way is because we argue with town instead of scum.

Waindo is probably town with a paranoia hat on, leave him be until we flip scum, there's literally nothing to talk about.

Stop focusing on town that do outrageously shady stuff and start focusing on people like Beky / Trafalgar / Sala / Okosan who are here enough to get town read but not progressing in any way.

You don't need to talk with Waindo on his reads, he's probably town.

 

[Waindo]

reasons please, that looks spicy
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i am tired and you were the aggresive one

I was not, I only came off like that.

 

[Samael]

How is this whole post any indicative of town!Okosan except for "they subbed in late" which is probably the most non-alignment indicative thing.

He’s hosting a game and comes off genuine hence the reason I said he either “doesn’t really care” or “he can’t play as much or how he wants too”

Don’t judge my shit because it doesn’t fit your views or thoughts. That was enough for me to not be surprised if he’s town which I’m sure he is. Maf is for sure out of people that are here and there commenting and pushing/leaning to wagons and false reads.

 

[Stray Cat]

@Dragomir please tell me how this wasn't an attempt to convince people I'm scum. Also joby said her gut told her that Gambit was Town when she wasn't even around much and she buddied with Gambit.

Hey y'all lol had to catch up on 9 pages.

So, lots of early reads and exchanges of subtle info/personality cues--so regardless of alignment this is a really good start, because there is a lot of information being generated very early.

I'm getting strong towny vibes from @Onadaga (Hi!) and warmish(getting hotter) town vibes from @Beky since they both preemptively created an environment for people to feel comfortable to speculate and name names.
And scum can stick out because their speculation always has an agenda behind it, and this early on I don't think any townie has an agenda other than gathering info.
So Beky putting pressure on stray feels very townie to me--just the way he pressured her feels different from scum trying to make someone look bad.


This post set off a red flag for me. Its very TMI, and while Ona's GTH reads were basically happening naturally during conversation--stray's all seem to have an angle they are going for--something I'm being led towards but never taken quite all the way.
Bolded read on me obviously makes me feel bad--and I truly truly believe that Stray would sleep better at night if I got offed no matter my alignment. So I can't say either way how her read on me paints her this game, because stray's literally always trying to get me killed LOL
But the bolded in red of Onadaga is very very suspicious to me. Every part of it is accusatory when taken in isolation:
He's "Quick to judge"(as opposed to "fast reads" or how beky gets "trusts his meta reads" instead of "quick to judge")
"could be their experience"(negging)
..."but also TMI"(accusatory and basically saying "you should consider this person as a day one/two lynch")

Its hard tho because stray always comes out fists up and ready to rustle--no matter her alignment. I still think this is worth keeping an eye on.

i had to.

I will say that my gut intuition says stray going after my "too pure" entrance is opportunistic and shallow as fuck. bad kitty!

I've made this mistake with stray before. She's a very stubborn player (like me) and she is tenacious as fuck (the way she handled all the pressure y'all threw at her was nuts) It's a war of attrition with deep wolf Stray, she got that luffy stamina

I'm really not trying to come off as tunneling on stray, but what you just stated is what stray does best--especially as scum

please expand on what you are getting at with this

literally me every game and it always gets me killed RIP me

 

[tedxtr]

He’s hosting a game and comes off genuine hence the reason I said he either “doesn’t really care” or “he can’t play as much or how he wants too”

Don’t judge my shit because it doesn’t fit your views or thoughts. That was enough for me to not be surprised if he’s town which I’m sure he is. Maf is for sure out of people that are here and there commenting and pushing/leaning to wagons and false reads.

You're still not explaining how any of this is alignment indicative. Scum can not care about the game just as town don't care about the game.

But let's explore this thought, who's scum that's in here?

You obviously think Beky's one, who are the others?

 

[Michelle]

Waindo is always getting lynched later if we don't lynch scum in the next two phases, can we stop talking about him please?

The reason we're not progressing in any way is because we argue with town instead of scum.

Waindo is probably town with a paranoia hat on, leave him be until we flip scum, there's literally nothing to talk about.

Stop focusing on town that do outrageously shady stuff and start focusing on people like Beky / Trafalgar / Sala / Okosan who are here enough to get town read but not progressing in any way.

You don't need to talk with Waindo on his reads, he's probably town.

okay

 

[Samael]

So my top three suspects are Shottie, Rej and Law.

Rej I can see with his shade and non contributing ways. Shottie, law? Could you give me just a bit on them? I read shottie as town before but I haven’t seen much from them since then so I can say they’re neutral for me atm.

Law? Same I can only remember activity from earlier stages.

 

[Beky]

And i would like each player to address what i said to Michelle cause i had enough of people skipping over it even if you disagree

1. Ted cherry picks my posts - he will only take posts of mine that can push his agenda. He flat out ignored certain posts and i had to call him out on it

2. Ted refuses to argue when he gets pushed. He refused twice to argue with me once he started getting pushed. When you throw any bit of pressure at him he will back into his shell and ignore you - he did it to me , he did it to Wai now too. If you got NOTHING to hide why are you hiding so much?

3. He flat out lied i gave no reads when telling me few posts before i didn't defend my Town Read Gambit. I also provided enough reads but he flat out lied i didn't. You can ISO my posts to see for yourself

4. He perfectly well know votes are hammered when majority reached he flat out insta voted me since day started. No questions no anything. Just hard vote lock followed by his trusty sidekick Dragomir

 

[Waindo]

I would respond to this dickwad named Ted but I won't bother especially since he openly said he literally moved me to the ignore list to not see my posts.

I grinded his scummy gears so much that he doesn't want to see my posts lol.

Dude is now trying to make a scum list of ppl who barely had anything scummy in all of their posts in comparison to our current sus list.

 

[Stray Cat]

Rej I can see with his shade and non contributing ways. Shottie, law? Could you give me just a bit on them? I read shottie as town before but I haven’t seen much from them since then so I can say they’re neutral for me atm.

Law? Same I can only remember activity from earlier stages.

You can start with the post I quoted above that was posted by Shottie's predecessor joby.

 

[Samael]

You're still not explaining how any of this is alignment indicative. Scum can not care about the game just as town don't care about the game.

But let's explore this thought, who's scum that's in here?

You obviously think Beky's one, who are the others?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I literally just broke it down? Stop with that man, you obviously seeing what you want to see. It’s annoying, can’t get any progression with you.

Yes scum can not care about the game but what scum can’t do is give ME not you but ME Ishmael a genuine feel on wanting to if they had the time.

Beky, Drago still, possibly rej but I need to see his
Response to my post before I put him in any category.

 

[tedxtr]

Joby was fairly scummy, however, I must admit that people who go out of their way to go against the grain on what appears to be town consensus are most likely town, and they consistently keep flipping town. I had that thought when joby replaced out.

Also, I really think Shottie's catch up was VERY townie. It's really hard to have a solid catchup as scum.

Just think about it, what does joby gain from pushing you as not town when you're most likely getting town read anyway, what's the agenda? It's just wasting a lot of time doing nothing, and scum aren't comfortable pushing against the grain.

 

[Waindo]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I literally just broke it down? Stop with that man, you obviously seeing what you want to see. It’s annoying, can’t get any progression with you.

Yes scum can not care about the game but what scum can’t do is give ME not you but ME Ishmael a genuine feel on wanting to if they had the time.

Beky, Drago still, possibly rej but I need to see his
Response to my post before I put him in any category.

Does he tunnel vision this much even when Town?

Literally everything from his last 100 or so posts screams that he's scum.

 

[Samael]

Waindo is always getting lynched later if we don't lynch scum in the next two phases, can we stop talking about him please?

The reason we're not progressing in any way is because we argue with town instead of scum.

Waindo is probably town with a paranoia hat on, leave him be until we flip scum, there's literally nothing to talk about.

Stop focusing on town that do outrageously shady stuff and start focusing on people like Beky / Trafalgar / Sala / Okosan who are here enough to get town read but not progressing in any way.

You don't need to talk with Waindo on his reads, he's probably town.

So you down with lynching someone who’s “probably town” what kinda.. lmfaoo oh nah I’m done here.

First who gave you these shot calling keys and second off where’s your logic? We should all come to agreement on a person we aren’t comfortable with and see where it goes. It’s a feeling WE ALL
Have. But lynching just because and you’re ignoring him... wtf are you doing

 

[tedxtr]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I literally just broke it down? Stop with that man, you obviously seeing what you want to see. It’s annoying, can’t get any progression with you.

Yes scum can not care about the game but what scum can’t do is give ME not you but ME Ishmael a genuine feel on wanting to if they had the time.

Beky, Drago still, possibly rej but I need to see his
Response to my post before I put him in any category.

I can replace Rej as a scum lean in my list. If Beky flips scum then Waindo is lock cleared for me and Rej can be replaced from the town core in the PoE.

I think Drago is playing too well to be scum, although I have no metric for his scum play. Just going based off of some game from some site like about an year ago, I have no idea how much he improved but he looks really good as town for me here.

I think I always lynch Beky into Okosan into Trafalgar first, and then if it doesn't end, I probably continue with Rej and then maybe Drago. I still am very unsure about you but I gth lean town for now.

Any chance you can reconsider on any of Okosan or Trafalgar?

 

[Samael]

You started to come off as having motives behind your shit man.

 

[tedxtr]

So you down with lynching someone who’s “probably town” what kinda.. lmfaoo oh nah I’m done here.

First who gave you these shot calling keys and second off where’s your logic? We should all come to agreement on a person we aren’t comfortable with and see where it goes. It’s a feeling WE ALL
Have. But lynching just because and you’re ignoring him... wtf are you doing

I said I don't want to lynch Waindo and think he's town, if Beky is scum then Waindo is lock cleared.

In the off-chance that 2 people in my PoE flip town, then I will come back to Waindo being scum, but right now it feels like he's town. He always dies even if I'm dead, so I don't want to focus on him.

Hope that makes some sense.

So, tl;dr, no, I do not want to lynch Waindo and I don't intend to touch that slot with a 10 foot pole in the next 3 phases.

 

[Beky]

So, tl;dr, no, I do not want to lynch Waindo and I don't intend to touch that slot with a 10 foot pole in the next 3 phases.

tl:dr i don't wanna argue with people pushing for me