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What was your exact reason for saying that? Did you even consider the real one might counter claim you if you weren't what you said you are and if you were don't you think that would paint a target on your head.

I'm not actually feeling Misty is really scum though, I think she made a mistake. Possibly a bad one.
Cooo! (Guys. A seer isn't going to respond to an extremely early D1 seer claim like Misty's. At least not right away. They should only do it if they continue to push over and over that they're town because of it. The reason being assuming Misty lives through the day (because why wouldn't she?) the seer essentially gets a free night where they don't have to worry about being killed. Then they can come on the next dayphase and reveal if they really feel it's necessary)

Cooooo? (Without knowing if the person claiming is Town trying to redirect scum or scum trying to bait them, there's no reason not to wait a day)
 

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Hold on Rej. I was this close in telling them that this play of yours is similar to your most recent town play and I meta read that you COULD be town. However, it seemed that you had another meltdown by doing this redirection. A couple of times..





Supposing that Misty was being seen as someone who tried to out the seer, I don't know but it seems premature to think that she purposely did that quote to out the said role. I mean, she is experienced enough that mentioning "hey, I am important " is going to look bad in some people's eyes.. But then again, she is entitled to tell that. Beky is also doing that in some games and mostly if not often flipped town. Vanilla could also be tagged as an important role especially if you can move the phase forward with your reads and I think that jumping on Misty for that is worse than what she says...

Now let's try to iso who among those people tried tp soft push and plant scummy seeds on Misty... Was it Rej or Beky? I think the former only wants town to cooperate by calling out people.. The only thing he does bad is forcing people to vote.. A scum will not have the courage to speak out shits like that if they are indeed scum.. So I am leaning town on him (for now)...

For misty, her first post looks off but when she tried tp defend what she meant by that, I can feel that it is somewhat reasonable and just. But still 50-50 on her.. Sje has the tendency to be passive..

Waindo is a typical comical character we have in mafia.... It's hard to read him like Usopp but between the two, wai is more sensible lol... I mean, base on how he interacts and tell his opinion... Ussop looks bad.. I mean, everytime.... If he is town, then he is just another stupid town who throws his own game which is detrimental for us.... Leans scum on him...

Law is a bit quiet. I don't know if it's in purpose but like me, he may have been doing chores.. But Inhave seen him doing this when we were scum buddies. So meta wise, he could be bad... I mean very bad...

This is Drago's usual town play and scum search... I don't need to say anything.. I have seen him doing this a lot of times over and he flips town...

Zemmi, it's hard to read her.. Even when she's scum, her posts appear townish.. It's just pure to be marked as wolf... I wonder if I couldd find a slip on her posts when I iso her... Gimme time to do that..

Okosan, first time playing with him and I see Kawaiikid in him.... Nothing hilarious about his posts aside from that minuscule sheep on God by Rej.. Need to see more from him..

For the others I forgot, that only means that I haven't found anything markable with their posts.. Need to re-read dp to see more....

With that, Best option is either Law or God... Omg! Law and God... Such blasphemy...
At this point I surrender my man, thanks atleast for your reads, very townish. I am not considering much meta reads, because it's a wishy washy with whom I play recently.
Just a towny wants to give as many reads as possible.

That's why I didn't like Waindo sidelining with Misty and Zem against me when I was the proactive person there. I even gave Misty and Zem enough opportunities to move their vote.

Law being quite is not a bad sign, he came late and he gave reads that quietly can position him in our reads.
 

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COO! COO! (Do we need to unvote first to switch votes here? Okosan sees some people doing it and he didn't do it earlier)
with AM as host I think it doesn't matter, it depends on the host but you are right I think unvoting is not really needed here
 
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At this point I surrender my man, thanks atleast for your reads, very townish. I am not considering much meta reads, because it's a wishy washy with whom I play recently.
Just a towny wants to give as many reads as possible.

That's why I didn't like Waindo sidelining with Misty and Zem against me when I was the proactive person there. I even gave Misty and Zem enough opportunities to move their vote.

Law being quite is not a bad sign, he came late and he gave reads that quietly can position him in our reads.
Paaah.. For the most part, you are bringing phase progress but hey, when you're being attacked, you have to fckung calm your tits man... I mean, calm down and be rational rather than emotional.. That's the same fault Naomi has been doing so even she ended up town, her mouth sounds wolfish and that is why she is always lynched..

Yeah I know that you're giving reads but lemme ask you this, why do you think Misty will will blatantly say she's important when most of us are vanillas? Aside ofcourse from the seer argument
 
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@Trafalgar Law you don't have anything to say to this? No explanation at all?
How naive of you..
You jumped into conclusion that I haven't read mere 7 pages...
That wasn't just your point of view
But you tagged Rej and disagree with him , on pushing Lynch at DP 1
On top of that you mentioned that Seer , which was obvious...

In short your reasoning was very weak for not lynching someone at DP1..
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COO! COO! (Do we need to unvote first to switch votes here? Okosan sees some people doing it and he didn't do it earlier)
Coco San who were in OJ , you kinda reminds me of someone..
 

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I will explain my reasoning of why my vote is on Rej.

1.) He wanted everyone to vote. I do not have reads on people right now. So I gave him a vote.
2.) He accused me of being scum for joking around with Dragomir. When have I never joked around with people in mafia. So this reason was dumb.
3.) He then said I was trying to push a lynch on misty, which I never once did and explained why I didn't think she was scum.
4.) So he then switched it to I was scum buddies with Misty and trying to defend her.
5.) He keeps switching votes like crazy more or less saying almost everyone is scum but him.
 

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Thanks for the reasons Zemmi, too bad I don't agree cause I have a town read on Rej right now.

You don't have to agree. I'm not even going to say he is scum, but I don't feel like hearing made up reasons to lynch me the entire game when nothing he has said about "things I said" was true and obviously made up.
 
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What was your exact reason for saying that? Did you even consider the real one might counter claim you if you weren't what you said you are and if you were don't you think that would paint a target on your head.

I'm not actually feeling Misty is really scum though, I think she made a mistake. Possibly a bad one.
I townread both GU and Misty and I feel that Drago/Zemmi are setting up the lynch on Misty.

Zemmi soft pushes and Drago again votes. I don't like the Zemmi/Drago motion and the dynamic they show, while Zemmi is not voting (then voting me lol) and is much more cautious. Quite scummy. I am not clearing out Misty, but she has been fronted for an obvious mistake I would be rather to look over. If she really is town then mafia will kill her in suspicion of being the seer.

I suggest lynching one of Drago/Zemmi. Dragomir's statements in this game are contradicting mine as he seems so sure that between Misty and Beky there is a wolf that seemingly is a buddy of GU.
Sooo first post I thought o, I dont agree is this one.

There is like no push from Zemmi on me whatsoever. Not even a shred of push. Yet you seem to be adamant about the Drago/Zemmi scum team. Then you get the next post from Zemmi. Even less pushy on me.

@Zemmi

found our first scum, people should rather follow me now
This post really set me off. You should be convincing ppl with your arguments. In lack of them you call for ppl to follow your vote. This was the first red flag for me.
Then Zemmi says

I'm town and I don't like how you are just pushing everyone. I'm not trying to lynch Misty, like I said I believe she is town.
Then I ask you:
Im not following what you are getting at, mind elaborating?
I still see it as soft pushing and Dragomir then places the vote on Misty, it's like more and more giving attention towards Misty.

I am not over the place. I just say you all are not vanilla townies if you don't use vote to get reads. That's how you play this game.
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Dragos vote on you. And Zemmi being the buddy of Drago. Zemmi obviously trying to get read as civillian while Drago still pushes attention towards you.
You answer this. I disagree on the buddying and wonder why you are not backing up your arguments. I say:

she s not voting me nor pushing me, I dont see any indication of her going for me? You see stuff that isnt actually there imo
You get a bit tiresome because I say this.
Dragos next line the mafia chat gonna be: "Zemmi please unvote Rej".
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girl, it would be too obvious if both scum Zemmi and Drago would vote you, don't you think so? Dunno if you would do so if you were a duo mafia.
everyone is talking to me like I am a little kid this game lol. What I want to know is whether you can actually back up your argument or not? Cause if not I am wondering why you are pushing for it in the first place. Also I am starting to wonder whether you might just be trying to be more townie than you actually are.
I get annoyed because of your sentence and feel like you dont have any arguments.

Now here comes to fun part:
what you want me to back up? I am just reasoning my vote on Zemmi and why it will stay there.

In second line I start to doubt Dragos scummy vote on you. Could a scum drago have voted on his mate to cause a deflection against a civillian?

I am so towny, I am not afraid to use my vote.
Unvote
Vote lynch MistyCat


@Dragomir do you like this?


the alternate situation:

Misty and Zemmi are scum and Misty now soft pushing me for pushing Zemmi. I could go the simple route and take the simplest reasoning.
You vote for me, because I ask for an explanation and give the slightest hint of
no vote is dumb

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I am just cum hunting
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scum hunting* :datea:
:datea: atleast I have my leads towards a direction
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wait are you saying we shouldn't lynch anyone D1? :datea:
yes cuz a scum also has the freedom to vote anyone right :datea: a scum is more cautios with voting someone in a vanilla game
Especially the first and the lost posts are quite interesting. I ask is this:
lmao Rej, I am asking you to back up your argument and all you can come up with is voting for me. I am getting stronger scumvibes from you by the minute.
and you basically say you are voting for me cause you can. What a townish thing to do.

:datea:
so both Zemmi and Misty lynching me off because I suspect them both and no other towny dares to vote
welcome to mafia
This post is complete garbage

because I can vote you and because I explained it. I am using my towny freedom to place a vote on you. A true vanilla doesn't care about a vote placed on them. Sry that I follow a codex that allows me to freely play as I pleasure. And throwing shades and votes is aligning to the role I drew.
And people pushing me more and more into a scum position are the real scum here that want to supress the freedom of a vanilla towny.
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better give your own reads and stop nitpicking on me
sidelining on Misty and Zemmi is making you look bad
again you say you vote me cause you can xD?

what?
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the truest vanilla townie you will ever see in this game is about to get lynched guys bring popcorn

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okay @Zemmi @MistyCat
assuming you both are town and you would utilize the freedom of vanilla votes, who else would you vote on?

and my second question, if I am scum, then who is my buddy? you guys only look for me but don't elaborate on a possible scumbuddy of me
trolling some more from you. Luckily we can exclude a jester because of the set up.

the other question I didnt actually see at the time, but let me explain: I had my vote on other ppl before and would have left my vote on them. I dont see a reason to go look for a scumbuddy or buddying behaviour as I feel that most players in this game are too experienced to do that when they are only in two.

Page 7 isnt as important so Ill skip it so you can actually read this.

Funny thing: as soon as I started questioning your Zemmi/Drago idea you went to a Zemmi/Misty idea. more deflecting please?



TL;DR: Rej has to explain his thought process or I think he is scum ;3
 
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Thanks for the reasons Zemmi, too bad I don't agree cause I have a town read on Rej right now.
Coo! (Okosan feels the same way tbh. He hasn't been able to read through the most recent section as well as he might've like since he's a little busy at the moment, but Okosan feels Rej is fine.)

COOOO! COO! (Okosan does think people are avoiding this Usopun character too much. He's still barely said anything, and he even came on earlier and ignored Okosan's probing for responses completely)
 

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Coo! (Okosan feels the same way tbh. He hasn't been able to read through the most recent section as well as he might've like since he's a little busy at the moment, but Okosan feels Rej is fine.)

COOOO! COO! (Okosan does think people are avoiding this Usopun character too much. He's still barely said anything, and he even came on earlier and ignored Okosan's probing for responses completely)
The reason people are likely avoiding the topic is because He has a very unique play style, he never really works with town, he ends up getting himself lynched and he ends up being town every single time.
 
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Misty, why is your iso on Rej just more of a recap of your exchange with Rej? I don't really see you explaining why this and that makes him scum.
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The reason people are likely avoiding the topic is because He has a very unique play style, he never really works with town, he ends up getting himself lynched and he ends up being town every single time.
Actually, he's been scum before and got himself lynched.
 

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Misty, why is your iso on Rej just more of a recap of your exchange with Rej? I don't really see you explaining why this and that makes him scum.
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Actually, he's been scum before and got himself lynched.
Yes but I was thinking of the most recent ToS game and a bunch of others where he never works with town.
 
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Misty, why is your iso on Rej just more of a recap of your exchange with Rej? I don't really see you explaining why this and that makes him scum.
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Actually, he's been scum before and got himself lynched.
probs because I am busy and need to be working actually. I think his vote on me because I doubted his argument and hinted I townread him less because of it is what threw me off most. Also the expectation that his vote would be followed up, just because he called for it and not explaining shit or backing up stuff. Also implying I should follow him because he defended me was kind of weird. there s plenty more and I am interested in why you see him as town^^
 
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He keeps switching votes like crazy more or less saying almost everyone is scum but him.
That's another sign of vanilla townie , who sus everyone...
However it would b best in his interest if he come up with his firm reads....

About me...I've found someone who's worth digging !


Tonight is Kojagiri night !! Friends and family gather outdoor , we celebrate milk party (drink milk) overnight , eat biryani.....
So , I'm going to celebrate..

Vote Lynch Wai

his reasoning for not lynching at DP1 was lame and his counter response for my read was ohmygodsus !! If you find it worth lynching...you can vote him..
If you found better Lynch candidate...tag me with reasoning..
I'll check...if don't pass-out tonight..

@Waindo what do you think about me ? (Not in wrong way XD)
 
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Coco San who were in OJ , you kinda reminds me of someone..
Coo? (Okosan never played on OJ, but he's Okosan everywhere)
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The reason people are likely avoiding the topic is because He has a very unique play style, he never really works with town, he ends up getting himself lynched and he ends up being town every single time.
Cooooo! (Hmm fair enough. Okosan's not going to let up on him just because of some past meta, though. He has the same odds as everyone else as being scum)
 

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I will explain my reasoning of why my vote is on Rej.

1.) He wanted everyone to vote. I do not have reads on people right now. So I gave him a vote.
2.) He accused me of being scum for joking around with Dragomir. When have I never joked around with people in mafia. So this reason was dumb.
3.) He then said I was trying to push a lynch on misty, which I never once did and explained why I didn't think she was scum.
4.) So he then switched it to I was scum buddies with Misty and trying to defend her.
5.) He keeps switching votes like crazy more or less saying almost everyone is scum but him.
but where is the fun when not voting? how are we supposed to know that you are a fearless vanilla towny? fearless because we outnumber the scum, it's just that I don't feel like fitting in another playstyle because that wouldn't be my playstyle.
I can x-times explain that I have my leads and I tell what I openly think. Like I don't want to hide thought process in front of my town. So whenever I think some interaction between players or someone moves his votes and it's suspicious to me. Then I speak it out.
I am like totally honest and open minded and sadly only Okosan and Dragomir read it that way.
I even have my vote on myself now lol and you still try to argument why your vote should remain on me.

I will now slightly move my vote towards @Waindo because he was active and he handled the situation earlier like mafia would handle it. I am ready to openly suspect others once they are about to do suspicious moves.

Sooo first post I thought o, I dont agree is this one.

There is like no push from Zemmi on me whatsoever. Not even a shred of push. Yet you seem to be adamant about the Drago/Zemmi scum team. Then you get the next post from Zemmi. Even less pushy on me.


This post really set me off. You should be convincing ppl with your arguments. In lack of them you call for ppl to follow your vote. This was the first red flag for me.
Then Zemmi says



Then I ask you:


You answer this. I disagree on the buddying and wonder why you are not backing up your arguments. I say:


You get a bit tiresome because I say this.


I get annoyed because of your sentence and feel like you dont have any arguments.

Now here comes to fun part:

You vote for me, because I ask for an explanation and give the slightest hint of



Especially the first and the lost posts are quite interesting. I ask is this:

and you basically say you are voting for me cause you can. What a townish thing to do.


This post is complete garbage


again you say you vote me cause you can xD?


trolling some more from you. Luckily we can exclude a jester because of the set up.

the other question I didnt actually see at the time, but let me explain: I had my vote on other ppl before and would have left my vote on them. I dont see a reason to go look for a scumbuddy or buddying behaviour as I feel that most players in this game are too experienced to do that when they are only in two.

Page 7 isnt as important so Ill skip it so you can actually read this.

Funny thing: as soon as I started questioning your Zemmi/Drago idea you went to a Zemmi/Misty idea. more deflecting please?



TL;DR: Rej has to explain his thought process or I think he is scum ;3
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thanks

Vote lynch Waindo

in the end a fallen VT is better than a no lynch or mislynched PR. also a fallen VT is only good if every player in this game has made a clear position

and I don't feel like throwing my voting myself, neither scum nor town rej should ever do it again
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I agree with Okosan
GU and Beky are worthy to look into. They were outshadowed by our activity here.
 
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