Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1092: Kuma the Tyrant's Holy Land Rampage

[Lamby]

The ancient robot activating after Luffy's heartbeat started up aside.

Im loving the admiral development and portrayal.

Kizaru casually blocked Snakeman's blows with his hands, then proceeds to display that he can move at ftl speeds via charging up his lightbody mid flight. With how fast he is portrayed, im not questioning why he was confident he could go to Wano and split up the Kaido/BM alliance. I'm honestly believe he would overwhelm them both with how fast he is, especially now that we know he can surpass lightspeed

If we're gonna talk about Kizaru surpassing Lightspeed what does that mean to the other Admirals? Since we know how Kuzan and Akainu would end up; if Kizaru fought Akainu, would Akainu be able to react using Observation haki? Even through using observation Haki, would there come a point where Akainu is incapable of keeping up with Kizaru and cost him the entire battle?

It would be insane if Luffy manages to follow Kizaru's general direction with Near LS reactions

 

[Nocvius]

If we're gonna talk about Kizaru surpassing Lightspeed what does that mean to the other Admirals? Since we know how Kuzan and Akainu would end up; if Kizaru fought Akainu, would Akainu be able to react using Observation haki? Even through using observation Haki, would there come a point where Akainu is incapable of keeping up with Kizaru and cost him the entire battle?

It would be insane if Luffy manages to follow Kizaru's general direction with Near LS reactions

This may likely mean that Luffy won't fight Akainu in the future.
Assuming Luffy beat Kizaru, I don't see how Akainu will be an upgrade of opponent for Luffy. Luffy's just too strong right now. It'll be a pointless battle.
The only opponents that can challenge Luffy's capabilities right now are Shanks, Blackbeard or possibly Imu. No one else.

 

[Lamby]

This may likely mean that Luffy won't fight Akainu in the future.
Assuming Luffy beat Kizaru, I don't see how Akainu will be an upgrade of opponent for Luffy. Luffy's just too strong right now. It'll be a pointless battle.
The only opponents that can challenge Luffy's capabilities right now are Shanks, Blackbeard or possibly Imu. No one else.

Luffy might be the only one qualified to take on Akainu on the straw hat crew if he goes after them personally.

Imu might be a massive issue since they're a massive unknown, Blackbeard might fall to the Haki difference; Shanks will definitely give Luffy a hard time.

 

[Infinity]

This may likely mean that Luffy won't fight Akainu in the future.
Assuming Luffy beat Kizaru, I don't see how Akainu will be an upgrade of opponent for Luffy. Luffy's just too strong right now. It'll be a pointless battle.
The only opponents that can challenge Luffy's capabilities right now are Shanks, Blackbeard or possibly Imu. No one else.

Akainu's offensive capabilities are massively higher than Kizaru.

Akainu likely has CoC, has strength comparable to Garp like Kuzan and can kill Luffy in a single strike if he slips up even slightly. Even if Luffy doesnt end up fighting him, Akainu is currently the strongest Admiral, it definitely would be a massive upgrade

 

[Larsi]

Akainu's offensive capabilities are massively higher than Kizaru.

Akainu likely has CoC, has strength comparable to Garp like Kuzan and can kill Luffy in a single strike if he slips up even slightly. Even if Luffy doesnt end up fighting him, Akainu is currently the strongest Admiral, it definitely would be a massive upgrade

I dont really wanna get into power scaling, but do you have a source for any of this or is it just your assumptions?

 

[Nessos]

I dont really wanna get into power scaling, but do you have a source for any of this or is it just your assumptions?

Sakazuki defeated Kuzan during the TS. Thus we can expect that Sakuzuki is stronger than Kuzan.

 

[Nessos]

The only opponents that can challenge Luffy's capabilities right now are Shanks, Blackbeard or possibly Imu. No one else.

Gorosei

 

[Larsi]

Sakazuki defeated Kuzan during the TS. Thus we can expect that Sakuzuki is stronger than Kuzan.

And this is proof of him being stronger than kizaru? Especially after a fight that lasted 10 days it isnt really showing much difference either.

 

[Nessos]

And this is proof of him being stronger than kizaru? Especially after a fight that lasted 10 days it isnt really showing much difference either.

Borsalino should be as strong as Kuzan and Sakazuki.

Based on the portrayal during the Summit War, I would say that the biggest threat comes from Sakazuki.
This is is still no proof, I know.

Do you think Borsalino is stronger than Sakazuki?

 

[Larsi]

Borsalino should be as strong as Kuzan and Sakazuki.

Based on the portrayal during the Summit War, I would say that the biggest threat comes from Sakazuki.
This is is still no proof, I know.

Do you think Borsalino is stronger than Sakazuki?

I think it could go either way, its rather kizarus personality rather than strength that didn't put him in the running for fleet admiral, because there's nothing that indicates that there's any significant difference between the three OG admirals

 

[Lamby]

I dont really wanna get into power scaling, but do you have a source for any of this or is it just your assumptions?

Didn't Oda specifically state that Akainu's Magu-Magu No Mi possesses the highest offensive capabilities of any devil fruit in One Piece and to further back this up; he also stated that if Akainu was a pirate he would have found One Piece in a Year alone.

 

[Larsi]

Didn't Oda specifically state that Akainu's Magu-Magu No Mi possesses the highest offensive capabilities of any devil fruit in One Piece and to further back this up; he also stated that if Akainu was a pirate he would have found One Piece in a Year alone.

No idea about first part, but second part is heavily misinterpreted. Oda said that you cant make yoir protagonist too strong or they won't face any challenges. For instance if akainu as strong as he is was the pirate protag he'd be strong enough to find the one piece in a year. Do you think it'll have been a year in world since start of timeskip when luffy finds the one piece? I doubt it. Does that mean that Luffy right out of time skip was as strong or stronger than akainu? Doubt it.

 

[Larsi]

Ok, so found the offensive part, and its from vivre card, so not a primary source:

 

[Lamby]

No idea about first part, but second part is heavily misinterpreted. Oda said that you cant make yoir protagonist too strong or they won't face any challenges. For instance if akainu as strong as he is was the pirate protag he'd be strong enough to find the one piece in a year. Do you think it'll have been a year in world since start of timeskip when luffy finds the one piece? I doubt it. Does that mean that Luffy right out of time skip was as strong or stronger than akainu? Doubt it.

That's not really what I'm trying to articulate though; though your protagnist's strength gauges the quality of the story and the journey he is to embark on; the quotes by Oda weren't meant to really put Akainu as the protagonist. It was to show his relative strength and capability as a fighter.

Pre-Time skip Luffy was extremely weak in the Face of an Admiral and we knew this, with him facing Aokiji and narrowly escaping death at the hands of Akainu. If Admiral Akainu was a Pirate instead; it was speculated that he'd find One Piece in as little as a Year. That's a significant gap between Luffy PTS and Akainu. Luffy Now will find One Piece however because he is the protagonist; Oda is using him going on a grand journey to expand the world without the use of Filler, Relatively speaking; Luffy Had no Reason to go to Egghead since all he did was meet the most intelligent man alive.

He was asked to protect the old man from the marines and so that's what he is doing.

Ok, so found the offensive part, and its from vivre card, so not a primary source:
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[Larsi]

That's not really what I'm trying to articulate though; though your protagnist's strength gauges the quality of the story and the journey he is to embark on; the quotes by Oda weren't meant to really put Akainu as the protagonist. It was to show his relative strength and capability as a fighter.

Pre-Time skip Luffy was extremely weak in the Face of an Admiral and we knew this, with him facing Aokiji and narrowly escaping death at the hands of Akainu. If Admiral Akainu was a Pirate instead; it was speculated that he'd find One Piece in as little as a Year. That's a significant gap between Luffy PTS and Akainu. Luffy Now will find One Piece however because he is the protagonist; Oda is using him going on a grand journey to expand the world without the use of Filler, Relatively speaking; Luffy Had no Reason to go to Egghead since all he did was meet the most intelligent man alive.

He was asked to protect the old man from the marines and so that's what he is doing.

Sounds like youre agreeing with me that the one piece in a year comment is irrelevant to the conversation though.

 

[Infinity]

I dont really wanna get into power scaling, but do you have a source for any of this or is it just your assumptions?

The only assumption i made was him likely having CoC.

Everything else is portrayal. Lets say the logia trio admirals are all physically comparable. Akainu still has the highest offensive power of the 3 thanks to magma. Which i think makes him the strongest lol

Him and Aokiji having a 10 day fight doesnt really change that, afterall he has cold to counter heat

 

[Nocvius]

Akainu's offensive capabilities are massively higher than Kizaru.

Akainu likely has CoC, has strength comparable to Garp like Kuzan and can kill Luffy in a single strike if he slips up even slightly. Even if Luffy doesnt end up fighting him, Akainu is currently the strongest Admiral, it definitely would be a massive upgrade

Fair enough.

My only issue with Akainu vs Luffy is it will be boring compared to Kizaru vs Luffy, Shanks vs Luffy, Blackbeard vs Luffy, Imu vs Luffy.

Sure, Akainu may have crazy firepower because of his magma or possibly CoC, but so did Kaido.
Kaido also had crazy firepower, crazy durability, crazy speed, advance CoC, CoA, future sight, magma power, slash attacks, tornado attack, dragon transformation.
Akainu vs Luffy will be a "meh" matchup because I already saw Kaido vs Luffy.
What could possibly Akainu bring to the table to make the fight interesting besides the fact that he killed Ace? None.
I won't be upset if it never happens. But a little clash maybe?

Meanwhile:
Kizaru has the speed of light. Even if he can't beat Luffy, the current situation allows him to hunt down Luffy's friends. Will Luffy match his speed or do something interesting to handle that?
Shanks is the haki master and Luffy must surpass him or at least match his capabilities. But I guess this matchup is also quite boring action-wise.
Blackbeard is my favourite matchup by far. He can cancel any DF power. How will Luffy deal against that?
Imu is still a mystery, but assuming he/she is the final boss then I expect some crazy shit.

 

[Nessos]

@Larsi @Infinity

Let's postpone the Borsalino vs Sakazuki topic, and let's have this discussed again in about 5 years.

Lets us hope that Sakazuki does not get offpaneled by Gorosei

 

[Emperor Cross]

@Larsi @Infinity

Let's postpone the Borsalino vs Sakazuki topic, and let's have this discussed again in about 5 years.

Lets us hope that Sakazuki does not get offpaneled by Gorosei

They need Sakazuki