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The Situation arose, because Wano citizen did the same as WG. Kurozumi ain't born evil.
Bitte Kanjuro and Orochi got a sad bgstory.
Orochi grandfather = evil who tried to overthrow Kozukis by killing all Daimyos --> started the Kurozumi persecution for his crimes

Higurashi = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Semimaru = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Orochi = brainwashed or not, he's evil to the core

Kanjuro = evil to the core. Yeah so his family died but he decided to betray the people who truly cared for him?

Name one good Kurozumi and i'll reevaluate. Kurozumi's name literally suggests evilness. The Wano citizens were absolutely justified to exterminate all of them for what they did. What's to say the Kurozumis didn't support and help the grandfather carry out the Daimyo execution plans?
 
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Orochi grandfather = evil who tried to overthrow Kozukis by killing all Daimyos --> started the Kurozumi persecution for his crimes

Higurashi = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Semimaru = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Orochi = brainwashed or not, he's evil to the core

Kanjuro = evil to the core. Yeah so his family died but he decided to betray the people who truly cared for him?

Name one good Kurozumi and i'll reevaluate. Kurozumi's name literally suggests evilness. The Wano citizens were absolutely justified to exterminate all of them for what they did. What's to say the Kurozumis didn't support and help the grandfather carry out the Daimyo execution plans?
Orochis Grandfather was an evil man and you can say for sure both Higuarashi and Semimaru worked for him. Orochi becmae evil after he was brainwashed and his amily go killed. Also Kanjuro became evil after His Family was killed in front of his eyes.


So in your eyes the WG did right by Killing every newborn that could be Rogers kid? Because he is a potential danger like Roger?
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I really hope one of the these 2 Common theories come true:
  • Tama being a Kurozumi
  • Roronoa being related to Kurozumi
 
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Kanjuro is just a Fake Name similar to Zoro-Juro or Luffy-Taro
His Real Name is Kantan Kurozumi

Making him the 7th Character in Wano who changed his Name & Identity (Excluding SHs)
Along with Hiyori, Denjiro, Ashura, Onimaru, Killer & Kiku
Who's next? Tenguyama? Ushimaru? King? Page One?
 
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Orochi grandfather = evil who tried to overthrow Kozukis by killing all Daimyos --> started the Kurozumi persecution for his crimes

Higurashi = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Semimaru = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Orochi = brainwashed or not, he's evil to the core

Kanjuro = evil to the core. Yeah so his family died but he decided to betray the people who truly cared for him?

Name one good Kurozumi and i'll reevaluate. Kurozumi's name literally suggests evilness. The Wano citizens were absolutely justified to exterminate all of them for what they did. What's to say the Kurozumis didn't support and help the grandfather carry out the Daimyo execution plans?
no one born evil...maybe except doflamingo/tenryubito...
i know orochi is evil, what kanjuro did too...and i hate them so much...

but i dont think orochi will do what we knew if he didnt meet with those two kurozumi elders...even orochi himself stated that kurozumi being exterminated because of their evil doings...
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Kanjuro is just a Fake Name similar to Zoro-Juro or Luffy-Taro
His Real Name is Kantan Kurozumi

Making him the 7th Character in Wano who changed his Name & Identity (Excluding SHs)
Along with Hiyori, Denjiro, Ashura, Onimaru, Killer & Kiku
Who's next? Tenguyama? Ushimaru? King? Page One?
why kiku fake name ?
 
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no one born evil...maybe except doflamingo/tenryubito...
i know orochi is evil, what kanjuro did too...and i hate them so much...

but i dont think orochi will do what we knew if he didnt meet with those two kurozumi elders...even orochi himself stated that kurozumi being exterminated because of their evil doings...
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why kiku fake name ?
She was introduced as the Tea House Worker O-Kiku and then later (After like 5 Chapters), she was revealed as Kikunojo & a Scabbard
Same as Shutenmaru & Ashura for example
 
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Orochis Grandfather was an evil man and you can say for sure both Higuarashi and Semimaru worked for him. Orochi becmae evil after he was brainwashed and his amily go killed. Also Kanjuro became evil after His Family was killed in front of his eyes.


So in your eyes the WG did right by Killing every newborn that could be Rogers kid? Because he is a potential danger like Roger?
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I really hope one of the these 2 Common theories come true:
  • Tama being a Kurozumi
  • Roronoa being related to Kurozumi
The entire hatred and persecution of Kurozumis happened because of Orochi grandfather committing horrible crimes. Why are you comparing this to WG? Roger isn't evil nor is anyone linked to him. If anything, the correct analogy is exterminating every single Celestial Dragon in existence because of what they did to Ancient Kingdom.

Again, what makes it clear Orochi's family wasn't guilty and actually helped his grandfather out with the crimes?
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no one born evil...maybe except doflamingo/tenryubito...
i know orochi is evil, what kanjuro did too...and i hate them so much...

but i dont think orochi will do what we knew if he didnt meet with those two kurozumi elders...even orochi himself stated that kurozumi being exterminated because of their evil doings...
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why kiku fake name ?
How do you know that? Because of what Orochi said? What makes you think he wasn't born evil or grew up that way because his family themselves were evil? Why are we assuming his family was innocent?

Orochi didn't even care Kaido killed the ones who brainwashed him.
 
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How do you know that? Because of what Orochi said? What makes you think he wasn't born evil or grew up that way because his family themselves were evil? Why are we assuming his family was innocent?

Orochi didn't even care Kaido killed the ones who brainwashed him.
Haven't you heard Doffy's Speech in MF?
There is no Evil or Good or Justice, these things are decided by the Victor

You think Luffy is Good? He is a Pirate, he steals Treasures, Destroys everything in his Path, Fights Governments & Law Enforcers, Endangers Citizens, Doesn't abide to any Laws ... etc
The Bad People in Luffy's Point of View are those who Abandon their Allies/Friends or Use others close to them but that's his Perspective only

Anyone can be Redeemed in One Piece and in any Group you can find Good Apples & Bad Ones (Even among Celestial Dragons, Oda made sure to introduce us to Donquixote Homing)

Then go to Fishmen Island and see the Importance of the Flashback there, Oda made sure to show us two Ways to Fight Evil:
Otohime's Way & Fisher Tiger's Way, both wanted the same thing but chose different Paths
Otohime's wanted to find Peace by being Good towards even the Worst People, while Fisher Tiger wanted to fight them and remove them

And yet look at Reverie Arc, the CD that Otohime saved became a Good Person and completely changed !!!

Oda's Message in One Piece isn't Good vs Evil, that's in other Stories
His Message is World Unity & how to Achieve it, after all it's a Story about Pirates who are clearly the Bad Guys of the Story
Red-Hair Pirates said so in First Chapter ever, they are not Saints or Heroes or whatever, they are Pirates, they Kill, Steal, Dominate, Fight ... etc
 
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updated the OP with the scans a few translations.

Quote me if i am missing anything
 
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Haven't you heard Doffy's Speech in MF?
There is no Evil or Good or Justice, these things are decided by the Victor

You think Luffy is Good? He is a Pirate, he steals Treasures, Destroys everything in his Path, Fights Governments & Law Enforcers, Endangers Citizens, Doesn't abide to any Laws ... etc
The Bad People in Luffy's Point of View are those who Abandon their Allies/Friends or Use others close to them but that's his Perspective only

Anyone can be Redeemed in One Piece and in any Group you can find Good Apples & Bad Ones (Even among Celestial Dragons, Oda made sure to introduce us to Donquixote Homing)

Then go to Fishmen Island and see the Importance of the Flashback there, Oda made sure to show us two Ways to Fight Evil:
Otohime's Way & Fisher Tiger's Way, both wanted the same thing but chose different Paths
Otohime's wanted to find Peace by being Good towards even the Worst People, while Fisher Tiger wanted to fight them and remove them

And yet look at Reverie Arc, the CD that Otohime saved became a Good Person and completely changed !!!

Oda's Message in One Piece isn't Good vs Evil, that's in other Stories
His Message is World Unity & how to Achieve it, after all it's a Story about Pirates who are clearly the Bad Guys of the Story
Red-Hair Pirates said so in First Chapter ever, they are not Saints or Heroes or whatever, they are Pirates, they Kill, Steal, Dominate, Fight ... etc
The point is Kurozumis are irredeemable sociopaths who betray and kill people who care for them for their own selfish reasons. Literally the entire country had no issues with them until they turned evil and murderous.
 
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The point is Kurozumis are irredeemable sociopaths who betray and kill people who care for them for their own selfish reasons. Literally the entire country had no issues with them until they turned evil and murderous.
Kanjuro so far did absolutely nothing except feed Orochi Information, what's different between him & Denjiro?
Both didn't harm anyone, they are just Spies who were badly hurt in the Past

Yes Orochi is very bad but there is no such thing as "Irredeemable" in One Piece, he just wants Revenge
The only people you can call "Bad" are Celestial Dragons because they see themselves Gods among Men & treat others as Trash Globally
But as i said before, even among CDs, there are Good Ones (Homing who was Good from the Start and Fishmen Island One who got Redeemed)
The rest are just Motivated to do Bad in certain Places or to certain People
 
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Orochi grandfather = evil who tried to overthrow Kozukis by killing all Daimyos --> started the Kurozumi persecution for his crimes

Higurashi = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Semimaru = evil and brainwashed Orochi

Orochi = brainwashed or not, he's evil to the core

Kanjuro = evil to the core. Yeah so his family died but he decided to betray the people who truly cared for him?

Name one good Kurozumi and i'll reevaluate. Kurozumi's name literally suggests evilness. The Wano citizens were absolutely justified to exterminate all of them for what they did. What's to say the Kurozumis didn't support and help the grandfather carry out the Daimyo execution plans?
Can’t tell if trolling or fascist lol
 
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Kanjuro so far did absolutely nothing except feed Orochi Information, what's different between him & Denjiro?
Both didn't harm anyone, they are just Spies who were badly hurt in the Past

Yes Orochi is very bad but there is no such thing as "Irredeemable" in One Piece, he just wants Revenge
The only people you can call "Bad" are Celestial Dragons because they see themselves Gods among Men & treat others as Trash Globally
But as i said before, even among CDs, there are Good Ones (Homing who was Good from the Start and Fishmen Island One who got Redeemed)
The rest are just Motivated to do Bad in certain Places or to certain People
Kanjuro basically harmed Oden and Scabbards by knowingly sending them to their demise and was responsible for getting Yasuie executed even though all of them literally helped him to get better even with his past. Denjiro is infiltrating the enemies and some of Orochi's men don't trust him.

Is Orochi's grandfather irredeemable?

Can’t tell if trolling or fascist lol
Dude if it isn't clear, i pretty much hate Orochi and his entire family and all traitors linked to him. If an actual good Kurozumi shows up, i'll change my mind. But literally all of them we saw are evil and sociopathic.
 
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Well it definitely wasn't unexpected. People were saying the traitor was either gonna be Raizo or Kanjuro just simply due to their lack of backstory and locations.

Now... onto the main story line!
 
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Woah woah woah! Hold up a second! How the hell did Kanjuro survive getting decapitated by Kinemon? Has he been BSing his artistic skills the whole time?
 
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Back to the main point, i'm curious for more Luffy-Kidd-Law action :catcry:
oh yes! I wonder what they are up to. Just because their panels are lined up, it doesn't mean they met and are right next to each other. But I really really really want Kid to join finally. And Killer too, the poor dude :catcry:
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Woah woah woah! Hold up a second! How the hell did Kanjuro survive getting decapitated by Kinemon? Has he been BSing his artistic skills the whole time?
possible yea, that he made a clone of himself maybe by drawing
 
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oh yes! I wonder what they are up to. Just because their panels are lined up, it doesn't mean they met and are right next to each other. But I really really really want Kid to join finally. And Killer too, the poor dude :catcry:
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possible yea, that he made a clone of himself maybe by drawing
I'm curious what caused Kidd to change his mind since he initially said he didn't want to team up with Luffy.

Also need to see more Hawkins and Drake

EDIT: yeah need to see the chapter since it looks like they formed an alliance but not sure
 
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Woah woah woah! Hold up a second! How the hell did Kanjuro survive getting decapitated by Kinemon? Has he been BSing his artistic skills the whole time?
Yeah he was BSing all the time. Here you also see high quality drawn birds.
it's been a while but finally confirmed there was indeed a traitor in the scabbards and it was kanjuro all along like many predicted now we know why he didn't get a bounty during dressrosa Doffy was probably aware and after they are sent into the future we can see this drawing bird probably a message sent by kanjuro to kaido/orochi that they just arrived no wonder there was a hunting party already.
He most likely informed Orochi right after they have returned.
 
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Yeah he was BSing all the time. Here you also see high quality drawn birds.

He most likely informed Orochi right after they have returned.
Damn, that panel is the biggest clue, I totally missed it! God damn Oda
 
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