Spoilers One Piece Chapter 988 Spoilers

[#1 tako]

Honestly i think OP Fans are overhyping Commanders too much
This Formula have been used by Oda for as long as i can remember

Everytime Villain get Stronger, his Commanders are stronger too but SHs are also improving ofc
We had Arlong and his Three Commanders & then Enel & his 4 Priests, then Doffy & his 3 Executives & now we have Kaido & his Calamities

Oda usually hypes these Commanders a little & show us that they are very strong but they usually are far from their Leader & don't expect them to be a Major Threat, they are basically just the Strongest of Henchmen, nothing that Special

Arlong's Trio were shown to destroy a Marine Ship very easily but later we saw Zoro easily defeating Hatchan even with Injury, Sanji one-shotting Kuroobi in Land & even Usopp defeated Chew, the real deal was Arlong himself

Check Enel's Priests, Satori was shown to be able to handle Luffy, Sanji & Usopp at same time, they were definitely introduced as very strong but look once the War started, Shura was fodderized by Wiper and was the first one out just like that, Gedatsu was defeated by Chopper who didn't even have enough courage to fight & Ohm who performed well compared to rest, he was defeated by a single attack from Zoro and the fight wasn't as difficult as the likes of Daz Bonez or Kaku

Same thing for Doffy's Executives, Diamante was defeated by Kyros with just pure Strength, Trebol was a joke compared to Law & Pica even though he had really dangerous DF, he was nowhere near Zoro's Level

Don't expect things to change, Enemies are getting Stronger but SHs & Allies too, the Formula still stands
Calamities can still lose to many Characters among Alliance, Kaido & BM are the only danger there, the rest can be taken care of

What i'm trying to say is that Villain Commanders aren't a Milestone that must be reached or above Luffy's Allies like the Main Villain,
In all the examples that i just gave, Villain's Commanders were already weaker than the Strongest Allies of Luffy, nothing will change here

The time when Oda really gives SHs a challenge & foes to surpass is when they fight a Team & it's the SHs who fight them, not Allies such as Baroques Works & CP-9 & most probably Blackbeard Pirates next, and this is the second Formula that Oda uses

The issue here is that Kaido had King take care of Big Mom. That's like Doflamingo having Pica take care of Moria. Yes Yonko commander strength/power is a bit all over the place right now but Oda went out of his way to show that King is capable of handling a Yonko even though he probably can't defeat one. In the unlikely event that Sanji does defeat King that would imply that he's in the top 20 strongest characters in the series.

I'm not saying he won't get there eventually, just that if he does then that seems too soon for most people.

 

[Salah Eddine]

The issue here is that Kaido had King take care of Big Mom. That's like Doflamingo having Pica take care of Moria. Yes Yonko commander strength/power is a bit all over the place right now but Oda went out of his way to show that King is capable of handling a Yonko even though he probably can't defeat one. In the unlikely event that Sanji does defeat King that would imply that he's in the top 20 strongest characters in the series.

I'm not saying he won't get there eventually, just that if he does then that seems too soon for most people.

King didn't really take care of BM, even amnesia BM with child personality can easily one/two-shot these Commanders
He simply took advantage of situation to make the ship fall

Top 20 isn't that simple, there are Yonko, Admirals, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Garp, Sengoku, Beckman, Luffy, Sabo, Dragon (+ Roger & Oden ... etc)
These are already more than 20, Sanji isn't there yet even if he defeats King

 

[#1 tako]

King didn't really take care of BM, even amnesia BM with child personality can easily one/two-shot these Commanders
He simply took advantage of situation to make the ship fall

Top 20 isn't that simple, there are Yonko, Admirals, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Garp, Sengoku, Beckman, Luffy, Sabo, Dragon (+ Roger & Oden ... etc)
These are already more than 20, Sanji isn't there yet even if he defeats King

Alright then top 100?
Also please enlighten me as to why Oda would show King doing that to Big Mom? What other purpose would it serve?

 

[Salah Eddine]

Alright then top 100?
Also please enlighten me as to why Oda would show King doing that to Big Mom? What other purpose would it serve?

I didn't say Top 100, King is in Top 30-40 imo
And Oda wanted BM Pirates to Reach Wano ---> Fall ---> BM get Amnesia & meet Chopper ---> Go to Udon ---> Get captured ---> Meet Kaido alone & make an Alliance with him

He wanted this Scenario, what does this got to do with Power Level? Not everything has to do with Power Levels
It's like saying why Oda chose Squard to stab WB or why he chose Sea King to eat Shank's Arm or why he chose Hatchan to save Rayleigh from drowning or why he chose Captain Morgan to injure Garp & escape

 

[Shottie]

*ehem* just cus we're a year older here doesn't mean we're relaxing our standard guidelines. Power level chats need to change up and become something we allow.

 

[Ck4795]

We saw marco vista and jozu in action. They held their own against admirals und Vista even had a clash with mihawk.
Than we saw katakuris power who was worth 1 billion. Theres no way Zoro or Sanji could defeat him.
And since King and Queen have higher bounties than Katakuri we logically expect them to be atleast equal in strength with Kata. Therefore going by that logic it is impossible for Zoro or Sanji to win a 1 on 1 against King or Queen

 

[Salah Eddine]

*ehem* just cus we're a year older here doesn't mean we're relaxing our standard guidelines. Power level chats need to change up and become something we allow.

I think you should delete my first post about commanders, my intention wasn't to start Power Levels Debates, just wanted to explain how Oda handle these scenarios

 

[Shottie]

I was just warning since I'm following spoilers this week and PL discussions are dull.

 

[#1 tako]

@Shottie normally I would discuss this in the appropriate thread but if I did then I would be posting spoilers in a non spoiler thread. I'm assuming you want this dull topic to continue on Sunday when the chapter releases officially?


In other news I'm looking forward to seeing the Sulong forms. I wonder what some of the more obscure Minks like the Zebra guy will look like?

 

[Shottie]

@Shottie normally I would discuss this in the appropriate thread but if I did then I would be posting spoilers in a non spoiler thread. I'm assuming you want this dull topic to continue on Sunday when the chapter releases officially?


In other news I'm looking forward to seeing the Sulong forms. I wonder what some of the more obscure Minks like the Zebra guy will look like?

Power level discussion are against the guidelines anywhere on TB.
You may continue discussing developments of this chapter until the chapter comes out, then this thread will close and discussion about the chapter and future developments may continue in the chapter thread. However discussing top 100 based on power levels will still not be allowed.

 

[Srundenx]

everyone so focused to the chapter...

is it just me who feel annoyed by this shitty uselessly long cover story...??

 

[The Fool]

is it just me who feel annoyed by this shitty uselessly long cover story...??

you aint the only one though i've never really paid much attention to them since post-timeskip

 

[joby]

I really do not get why oda didn’t just kill pound. It was a beautiful death. This is just... hard to watch

 

[Nessos]

Reddit mods in riot!

ENOUGH.
Keep your fanboyism and hate outside this subreddit. If this go on, every fanboyism comments, from Sanji or Zoro side, will be removed.
And depending on how "Hard" you act, you will be banned, at the very least until the official release is out.
Be civil in the comments, think before you write something, don't try to bait reactions/responses.

 

[Gambit]

Reddit mods in riot!

Well, fanboyism is a disease.

 

[Kibi]

Urgh a Sanji chapter ... not interested but I am for the sulong forms

Haters gonna hate

 

[Gyusa]

Confirmed in 5ch

スーロン化で一番カッコいいのはブラックバック

イヌアラシ加勢で圧されてるジャックはシルエットだけど人獣形態になった

サンジはキングの顔面に蹴りを入れるけど逆に首を持たれて苦しむ
キングは手を離してサンジを一旦解放するがサンジはキングの言葉でモモノスケをしのぶ達に任せ、自分はキングを抑える事を選ぶ

初登場ナンバーズは4人
クイーンの命令で見廻り組にも攻撃を仕掛けるナンバーズ達に「おいおいおい え〜〜〜〜」ってなってる

ビッグマムとブルックの最後のシーンでロードポーネグリフがある場所が描かれる

The one who has the most cool Sulong transformation is Blackback

Jack who was being pushed back due to Inuarashi's assistance transforms into his hybrid form but we only see the silhouette

Sanji kicks King's face but King grabs his neck

King frees Sanji and after hearing King's words Sanji entrusts Momo to Shinobu and decides to fights King

4 Numbers are introduced
The Numbers also attack the patrol team(Mimawarigumi) when they heard Queen's command.

In the last scene with Big Mom and Brook we see the place where the Road Poneglyph is.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Ouch hard time for sword bois.

Its interesting oda is matching up sanji and king gotta see where it goes..

I am going to wait for sulong mink hype but sadly all of them will get low diffed by kaido .

My boi brook getting round 2 again . Looks like this time he might cause her little trouble.
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Urgh a Sanji chapter ... not interested but I am for the sulong forms

 

[Salah Eddine]

Regarding Breaks:
Basically Oda didn't rest since Chapter 984 (Four Chapters in a row), the Breaks from last Week were from Jump for Holidays.
That's why we only got few Chapters these last couple Months but Oda was working all this time & thus why he needed this Break now

 

[Nocvius]

Its interesting oda is matching up sanji and king gotta see where it goes..

Both can fly so it makes sense for them to have a short clash. At least until King gets his sword back.
I predicted Zoro to team up with Marco to take King down, but I guess Zoro-Sanji tag team is also a possibility.