[FIN] Town of Salem Round 3 - Cartoon Network

[Waindo]

Odd and Juliet killed you, because they thought you are the Jailor after you claimed Sheriff xD

Or maybe it was my fault, because I started with "Hello Mr Odd", Odd was obsessed that you are the Jailor and that you Just fakeclaimed what he claimed to me xD

Insanity.
Put in a good word for me with the higher-ups, I had first Mafia reads. I should at least get a 'Good boy!' and a pat on the head. :angrylazeplz:

 

[Nessos]

Are you talking about the night I controlled Kibi? Because I thought he was the escort which is why I sent him to Zemmi.

No the night afterwards, the night after Juliet got lynched and I jailed and execute Kibi.

In this night you should have send Hatz to me. And lead the lynch against Kibi followed by forcing me to execute Haku next.
Then you could have controlled me and we might have mislynched Haku next.

Then Nana would have 2 more nights to reduce Town and afterwards you could have gotten majority if Hatz didn't end up being Major.

Play in a real game yes ofc town goes lucky.
If more than 10 townies win together ez then it was townsided both luckwise/playerwise and setupwise

Only 7 Townies were living in the end.
And I disagree with setup and playerwise. There were a lot of top players among scum. And setup with 5 Mafia, Vamp, 2 Arsos and an Amne as Joker.
Especially with your fakeclaim @Gambit could have done as he wished ending up with musslynching you.

 

[Rej]

No the night afterwards, the night after Juliet got lynched and I jailed and execute Kibi.

In this night you should have send Hatz to me. And lead the lynch against Kibi followed by forcing me to execute Haku next.
Then you could have controlled me and we might have mislynched Haku next.

Then Nana would have 2 more nights to reduce Town and afterwards you could have gotten majority if Hatz didn't end up being Major.



Only 7 Townies were living in the end.
And I disagree with setup and playerwise. There were a lot of top players among scum. And setup with 5 Mafia, Vamp, 2 Arsos and an Amne as Joker.
Especially with your fakeclaim @Gambit could have done as he wished ending up with musslynching you.

7 townies surviving is still boring._. I am speaking fects. Where is the edgy 2 towny 1 survivor win after lylo?
Scum got unlucky early game and there was like no chance to wrap up town in endgame. Scum in this setup depended on a healthy early game where vampires get 2 members asap to outnumber the arsos and create a balance within scum. This would give town harder times to clear up townies.

 

[Nessos]

7 townies surviving is still boring._. I am speaking fects. Where is the edgy 2 towny 1 survivor win after lylo?

2 Townies + 1 Survivor win? Something like this should never happen. Survivor siding with Town at this stage is shitty move.

The setup was good. Invest almost useless in this Setup and town had only 2 protects. Mafia had GF - Mafioso combo -> getting kill even when one of them gets blocked.

Arsos and Vamp were Just unlucky, I mean 2 Arsos and only 1 target burned down N3. Also Larsi super unlucky, targeting Odd thinking noone pushes for him after he got jailed Odd must be Town, but then the only reason he died was because Odd was actually Mafia and had a trap on himself.

 

[Dragomir]

No the night afterwards, the night after Juliet got lynched and I jailed and execute Kibi.

In this night you should have send Hatz to me. And lead the lynch against Kibi followed by forcing me to execute Haku next.
Then you could have controlled me and we might have mislynched Haku next.

Then Nana would have 2 more nights to reduce Town and afterwards you could have gotten majority if Hatz didn't end up being Major.



Only 7 Townies were living in the end.
And I disagree with setup and playerwise. There were a lot of top players among scum. And setup with 5 Mafia, Vamp, 2 Arsos and an Amne as Joker.
Especially with your fakeclaim @Gambit could have done as he wished ending up with musslynching you.

Oh well then. I just didn't think that far into it.

 

[Rej]

2 Townies + 1 Survivor win? Something like this should never happen. Survivor siding with Town at this stage is shitty move.

The setup was good. Invest almost useless in this Setup and town had only 2 protects. Mafia had GF - Mafioso combo -> getting kill even when one of them gets blocked.

Arsos and Vamp were Just unlucky, I mean 2 Arsos and only 1 target burned down N3. Also Larsi super unlucky, targeting Odd thinking noone pushes for him after he got jailed Odd must be Town, but then the only reason he died was because Odd was actually Mafia and had a trap on himself.

I hate the argument that you need luck as arso to come through. 20+ player setups you need 3 arsos if you want it to make skillbased and not luckbased.

Sry for being such an autist.

Please with your experience tell me stories about an Arso winning games. Oh probably you were once an Arso that won a game!

 

[Gambit]

I remember Misty and Krogo winning as arso.. Dragomir, the host even forgot that Misty was scum the way she played it..

 

[Rej]

I remember @Udell trying to bus me as Arso, I had to counterbus him without knowing he was Arso.

 

[Gambit]

I remember @Udell trying to bus me as Arso, I had to counterbus him without knowing he was Arso.

Lol... It's fantastic to play arso although the invest results on you will be interesting because it's the scummiest results... Tos is a mechanical game and it's a combination of pure luck and skills just like trad..

 

[Rej]

Lol... It's fantastic to play arso although the invest results on you will be interesting because it's the scummiest results... Tos is a mechanical game and it's a combination of pure luck and skills just like trad..

no
trad is way more skill based and less mechanic based because you start D1 with no results
it's the real deal and you saw for yourself over and over again that people fail with their "deductive skills" in the trad format. you see it for yourself.

ToS and Reg are both completely different because at D1 you already have information and you automatically enforce claims with it.
it is totally different, so if someone is a good ToS player it doesn't make him a good trad player.

 

[Gambit]

no
trad is way more skill based and less mechanic based because you start D1 with no results
it's the real deal and you saw for yourself over and over again that people fail with their "deductive skills" in the trad format. you see it for yourself.

ToS and Reg are both completely different because at D1 you already have information and you automatically enforce claims with it.
it is totally different, so if someone is a good ToS player it doesn't make him a good trad player.

U guys are bitching tooo much about ToS when it it's mechanics are incomparable with trad.. Yes, trad is a way different than the two but just because you play trad doesn't mean that youncan just bitch around tos and boast how good you are.. Just because one plays trad doesn't mean that it's a good player. I mean, respect..

 

[Rej]

U guys are bitching tooo much about ToS when it it's mechanics are incomparable with trad.. Yes, trad is a way different than the two but just because you play trad doesn't mean that youncan just bitch around tos and boast how good you are.. Just because one plays trad doesn't mean that it's a good player. I mean, respect..

I have respect, but I feel like I open up my ass for effort and all that gets paid is shite.
I also play ToS lol and I watch ToS games online on streams or on Youtube and I listen to people that talk and explain things. I use google and subforums sometimes if I want to know something. I don't have to busy other people here with the same stuff when I can get inspirations and information outside that I can later utilize. That's why I entered signups to host. So I can utilize what I learn, ripe it out and be different.
Different but also good.

I like analysing mechanics and ToS is still a theoretical game. And mafia is always theoretical because you can run calculators for outcomes and force outcomes with giving directions.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

2 Arso + Vamp + Witch + GF + Consort is pretty deadly combo
They fall in traps , got killed by intelligent Vig , good play by townie..
Don't understand the problem here , why should Townie always play bad ? We deserve credit for good play..
Game could have more interesting if vamp had sussesful bite..

 

[Rej]

2 Arso + Vamp + Witch + GF + Consort is pretty deadly combo
They fall in traps , got killed by intelligent Vig , good play by townie..
Don't understand the problem here , why should Townie always play bad ? We deserve credit for good play..
Game could have more interesting if vamp had sussesful bite..

yes you are right

 

[Nessos]

I hate the argument that you need luck as arso to come through. 20+ player setups you need 3 arsos if you want it to make skillbased and not luckbased.

Sry for being such an autist.

Please with your experience tell me stories about an Arso winning games. Oh probably you were once an Arso that won a game!

Yes!
Just kidding. As far as I remember I never won a game as 3rd.

But I already saw Arso winning in a Team of 2, but also solo. Arso gets invested as BG and inno.

But yeah as Town my reads are always right.
And in one game I was so good, I manage to lynch 3 Town in a row afterwards the vig wanted to shoot me, but got blocked.

 

[Rej]

Yes!
Just kidding. As far as I remember I never won a game as 3rd.

But I already saw Arso winning in a Team of 2, but also solo. Arso gets invested as BG and inno.

But yeah as Town my reads are always right.
And in one game I was so good, I manage to lynch 3 Town in a row afterwards the vig wanted to shoot me, but got blocked.

yeah, as third it depends if you are thrown randomly in for chaos or if you rly have a purpose in the setup.
Anyway that aside each role can be utilized perfectly outside of calculating in the luckfactor. Arso has a huge variety of fake claims same as jester.

 

[Nessos]

2 Arso + Vamp + Witch + GF + Consort is pretty deadly combo
They fall in traps , got killed by intelligent Vig , good play by townie..
Don't understand the problem here , why should Townie always play bad ? We deserve credit for good play..
Game could have more interesting if vamp had sussesful bite..

Town was super lucky. Even some bad moves ended up being good for Town.

Zemmi invested Odd while it was clear that he is definetly scum. I told her he claimed Sheriff and he said nothing after double invest and Sheriff claim. But in the end this action confirmed Zemmi as Invest, because Trapper was in Odd. A bad move good for Town.

On D3 Town decided to speedlynch Arso instead of scumhunting. And thats after Arso burned down his target and couldn't have done anything the night after. Luckily you didn't get outed and was able to bring me back.

Town was super lucky this game. Vamp didn't manage to convert and died N2 by visiting scum with a trap xD And double Arso manage to burn down one target at N3 xD
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But yeah as Town my reads are always right.
And in one game I was so good, I manage to lynch 3 Town in a row afterwards the vig wanted to shoot me, but got blocked.

Just in case people misunderstood this as boastfulness. This was indeed top class scum play by me, but sadly I was Town....

 

[Nana]

This game sucked from the moment drago targeted me and threw me under the bus d1
To scums messing with me , if scums didn't target each other we might have won , also I didn't understand why would beky claim being doused , was really a wrong move

Anyway thanks Shion , and if you can add me to scum and dead chat

 

[Nessos]

This game sucked from the moment drago targeted me and threw me under the bus d1

I agree with you the Beky doused move was strange.

But Drago didn't throw you under the bus. He said BG results and people suspected him as Consig afterwards. You even got Towncreds after 2nd Arso died and it was confirmed that you are not GF. But at that Point you should have become active and playing like Town. giving reads and "try" to catch scum. Telling your targets with some dumb explanation s(Well you blocked all the time that was unlucky xD)

 

[Nana]

I agree with you the Beky doused move was strange.

But Drago didn't throw you under the bus. He said BG results and people suspected him as Consig afterwards. You even got Towncreds after 2nd Arso died and it was confirmed that you are not GF. But at that Point you should have become active and playing like Town. giving reads and "try" to catch scum. Telling your targets with some dumb explanation s(Well you blocked all the time that was unlucky xD)

Fyi Scums kept blocking me cuz he outed my role
Also don't tell me how to play when people keep fucking with your actions, why should I care