Wolfgang Thread

[AL.]

Well it would incline people to hold for their claim a bit longer.

I personally don't mind claiming as much as i dislike info dumping.
One thing is to say - I am Bakugou and i can attack people
Another thing is to say - I am Bakugou and i have an ability that allows me to pierce someone's defense and cause them damage they can't avoid or be protected from

TBH if i was to restrict claiming in my games it would def be to forbid info dump like that. Rest is allowed.

both are forms of info dump tho
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Flavour claim doesn't make much sense in Trad either. Again everyone can claim anything and scum used to have fake flavours anyway.

Then you have Role&Flavour Claims. Then you have to think about if it reasonable, if is a lie or did host fucked. Sometimes it makes even more sense to fakeclaim.because Host totally build up a shitty that anyone would see as scum while actually is Town.


Trad has no infodump. The only infodump that exist is the stuff of invest.
It should be discussed if its allowed for invests to share their infodump. But flavour-, role-/ability- and/or action-claim have no real buisness in trad.

you're kinda wrong claiming makes sense but you can't depend on them too much

 

[Nessos]

In my opinion the best ways for claiming for different game types are

• Trad - Any kind of claiming forbidden. Invest should use their results for.their reads.
• ToS - No flavour claim, role & infodump claim allowed, because the mechanics are clear for everyone.
• Reg - Flavour, WU and action claim. Flavour claim only to give people with flavour knowledge not a bigger Advantage. Action claim is needed, because player need to explain themselves once WU name was claimed. Host should Always make clear that claing should be used as Last resort, trying to support new players.

These kind of claiming rules makes a lot of sense for the different Game types

 

[AL.]

• Trad - Any kind of claiming forbidden. Invest should use their results for.their reads.

its best to leave it to the host cause every different setup requires different rules

 

[Rej]

In my opinion the best ways for claiming for different game types are

• Trad - Any kind of claiming forbidden. Invest should use their results for.their reads.
• ToS - No flavour claim, role & infodump claim allowed, because the mechanics are clear for everyone.
• Reg - Flavour, WU and action claim. Flavour claim only to give people with flavour knowledge not a bigger Advantage. Action claim is needed, because player need to explain themselves once WU name was claimed. Host should Always make clear that claing should be used as Last resort, trying to support new players.

These kind of claiming rules makes a lot of sense for the different Game types

I agree, reg mafia is beautifully designed for Soup Kills for example, they should be more common there to endanger claims for example

 

[AL.]

I agree, reg mafia is beautifully designed for Soup Kills for example, they should be more common there to endanger claims for example

you agree with the trad one too??

 

[Beky]

both are forms of info dump tho

Well yes. Vanilla and Chocolate are both ice creams but different

Trad - Any kind of claiming forbidden. Invest should use their results for.their reads.

This isn't good because you rely on invest to carry the game. What if he player behind the invest role is someone who can't make a good case against someone? He is left with info he can't use

And what if invest gets killed early on?

 

[Beky]

No claim is wrong way to play mafia because the whole point of mafia is uniformed majority vs informed minority.
Uninformed Majority NEEDS to share information between them in order to catch people.
Informed Minority NEEDS to prevent that as much as they can

Taking away claiming and sharing info breaks towns advantage by a land slide. And if you have a scum player that knows how to spin the wheels he can destroy town.

 

[Rej]

you agree with the trad one too??

yes, but the majority of games shall be non claiming, but it is shapeable, you just need to know what you try to achieve with your rules set

And what if invest gets killed early on?

Then you still have a doctor or votemanipulator or vig to clear out people.
Also my friend there is still PoE.

 

[Beky]

Then you still have a doctor or votemanipulator or vig to clear out people.

That's like loosing a car and someone says - well you still have a house

 

[Rej]

No claim is wrong way to play mafia because the whole point of mafia is uniformed majority vs informed minority.
Uninformed Majority NEEDS to share information between them in order to catch people.
Informed Minority NEEDS to prevent that as much as they can

Taking away claiming and sharing info breaks towns advantage by a land slide. And if you have a scum player that knows how to spin the wheels he can destroy town.

bruh you contradict yourself, as in my trad you had correct reads without information

 

[Beky]

bruh you contradict yourself, as in my trad you had correct reads without information

I am one player that is experienced lol
Not everyone is good as me ( yea arrogant to say this but it is the truth )

 

[AL.]

yes, but the majority of games shall be non claiming, but it is shapeable, you just need to know what you try to achieve with your rules set

I can't agree with this one

hosts make their setups and rules knowing what is needed for the game so its best to just leave it to them

 

[Rej]

I am one player that is experienced lol
Not everyone is good as me ( yea arrogant to say this but it is the truth )

experience comes with experiencing

I can't agree with this one

hosts make their setups and rules knowing what is needed for the game so its best to just leave it to them

oh, still newer hosts need advices and also some "standart experience"
you never know some guy might start to like mafia and he wants to gather experience somewhere else to bring it back home, for this its important to also teach people the basic mafia, else you are completely right as said above, experience comes with experiencing

 

[AL.]

oh, still newer hosts need advices and also some "standart experience"
you never know some guy might start to like mafia and he wants to gather experience somewhere else to bring it back home, for this its important to also teach people the basic mafia, else you are completely right as said above, experience comes with experiencing

coach is there for that

 

[Rej]

coach is there for that

very true

 

[Nessos]

Uninformed Majority NEEDS to share information between them in order to catch people

I disagree with this. There is no real need of sharing information.

Making accusations and observing players reaction is the main aspect of mafia. And thats in my opinion what trad should focus on.

 

[AL.]

I disagree with this. There is no real need of sharing information.

Making accusations and observing players reaction is the main aspect of mafia. And thats in my opinion what trad should focus on.

depends on the host man

 

[Beky]

I disagree with this. There is no real need of sharing information.

Making accusations and observing players reaction is the main aspect of mafia. And thats in my opinion what trad should focus on.

Have fun with that

 

[Rej]

Have fun with that

I have fun with that actually lul

 

[Beky]

I have fun with that actually lul

I mean i am not a fan of 60 pages of ego clashes and he said/she said xd