[FIN] Town of Salem Round 11 - Trouble in MCU

[oddoddfruit]

Hail Hydra

Vote Lynch
Fallen Prince

Wrong universe
No Star Wars here

Bully

So I'm going to put Fallen Prince, Larsi and joby on my suspect list
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wassup motherfuckers

Wassup Mr Doflamingo

 

[Gambit]

We don't know any details yet, maybe I was targeted and transporter switched me with Beky, maybe Witch sent mafia into Beky. Maybe he said something in the evening phase that spooked someone

And Veterans won't even make that risk N1
Your analysis is a bit too much, seems like giving more effort than needed to give your opinion on Mafia Kill
You're in my watchlist

I didn't miss that. I was about to say that if no one else claimed to be transported then it's probable that he wasn't the original target.

And if they're not taking that risks then they'd fall under category 2 from what I have mentioned. Anyways, that's just my hypothesis.

@Gambit you missed this
You talked as if you were certain Mafia targeted Beky

I don't think so. If I am mafia, I will contest killing either Odd, you, Beky N1. I might go for the less watched players like Kibi, Naomi, Hayumi.

 

[oddoddfruit]

We have no Janitor clean and no Serial Killer kill, be careful tonight in case of Werewolf

Dead Medium and I got Transported so we can fill in two Random Town slots

And Salah either got Witched or is Witch

 

[Rej]

Hhhm. I don't like this argument. You do realize that I offered two possibilities on the plate and yet you only chose to scrutinize the former and disregarded the latter. It seems to me that you are throwing a futile attempt to form an early wagon against yours truly. What do you think?

Noone likes these kind of arguments and it is just something to start with. Your overly sensible reaction makes me put you in my PoE. Easy as that at this point. So where is the wagon?

 

[Salah Eddine]

I don't think so. If I am mafia, I will contest killing either Odd, you, Beky N1. I might go for the less watched players like Kibi, Naomi, Hayumi.

U succeeded at making me more Suspicious
You just said Veterans targeted Beky for a high risk high reward play
So either you're saying you're not a Veteran and wouldn't go for such play or you are assuming Mafia are Newbies but in that case you would just explain to them what you said this DP

What you would do if you were Mafia doesn't change the fact that Beky was indeed killed by Mafia
And you just explained why it's a worth-risk, if Mafia are Veterans you would go with this Plan & if they are Newbies then any Veteran among them ended up letting them kill Beky so you can't say that as Defense

As i said you either don't consider yourself Veteran or you're saying Newbies won't listen to a Veteran like you
But ofc if Beky was transported then all this talk is meaningless
Btw you still replied to me with assumption that Beky was Mafia's Target, since you argument is basically:
"I can't be Mafia because i wouldn't have let them target Beky"
But again, who said they targeted him?!

 

[Rej]

I don't think so. If I am mafia, I will contest killing either Odd, you, Beky N1. I might go for the less watched players like Kibi, Naomi, Hayumi.

This is wifom at it's most unneccessary level
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U succeeded at making me more Suspicious
You just said Veterans targeted Beky for a high risk high reward play
So either you're saying you're not a Veteran and wouldn't go for such play or you are assuming Mafia are Newbies but in that case you would just explain to them what you said this DP

What you would do if you were Mafia doesn't change the fact that Beky was indeed killed by Mafia
And you just explained why it's a worth-risk, if Mafia are Veterans you would go with this Plan & if they are Newbies then any Veteran among them ended up letting them kill Beky so you can't say that as Defense

As i said you either don't consider yourself Veteran or you're saying Newbies won't listen to a Veteran like you
But ofc if Beky was transported then all this talk is meaningless
Btw you still replied to me with assumption that Beky was Mafia's Target, since you argument is basically:
"I can't be Mafia because i wouldn't have let them target Beky"
But again, who said they targeted him?!

Welcome to town, Salah

 

[oddoddfruit]

Noone likes these kind of arguments and it is just something to start with. Your overly sensible reaction makes me put you in my PoE. Easy as that at this point. So where is the wagon?

Here is the wagon

 

[Salah Eddine]

Welcome to town, Salah

I'm always Town even when i'm not

 

[oddoddfruit]

I'm always Town even when i'm not

I'm taking this as a Survivor claim, am I wrong?

 

[Gambit]

Noone likes these kind of arguments and it is just something to start with. Your overly sensible reaction makes me put you in my PoE. Easy as that at this point. So where is the wagon?

If you knew that no one would have like that argument, why pull it off in the first place? And why me of all people? Easy mislynch?

U succeeded at making me more Suspicious

Where did I ever put you in that platform?

You just said Veterans targeted Beky for a high risk high reward play
So either you're saying you're not a Veteran and wouldn't go for such play or you are assuming Mafia are Newbies but in that case you would just explain to them what you said this DP

I just said that it's a high risk reward that is one of the possibilities and not certainly. There's a difference between that.
I simply responded to Fallen Prince's query and as a person who played a lot, that's how I see it. I am open to different points of views by the way.

What you would do if you were Mafia doesn't change the fact that Beky was indeed killed by Mafia
And you just explained why it's a worth-risk, if Mafia are Veterans you would go with this Plan & if they are Newbies then any Veteran among them ended up letting them kill Beky so you can't say that as Defense

As i said you either don't consider yourself Veteran or you're saying Newbies won't listen to a Veteran like you
But ofc if Beky was transported then all this talk is meaningless
Btw you still replied to me with assumption that Beky was Mafia's Target, since you argument is basically:
"I can't be Mafia because i wouldn't have let them target Beky"
But again, who said they targeted him?!

You're are going out of line in this argument. It seems that you are attempting to discard what has initially transpired that ignited that discussion and why I ended up answering them. Especially that quoted part below, you are assuming that what I meant was I was referring to a certain person but in fact, I was just putting my self into scums shoes. You do realize that we all should know how scums think and this should not be a discussion. It's a norm and we all should accept the fact the everyone once in a while, we are scums!

This is wifom at it's most unneccessary level

Yep there's a thin line that separates Wifom and reverting back to your accuser.

 

[Salah Eddine]

I'm taking this as a Survivor claim, am I wrong?

Are you desperate for my Claim?
I'm Town translates to i'm Town, is Survivor a Town Role?
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You're are going out of line in this argument. It seems that you are attempting to discard what has initially transpired that ignited that discussion and why I ended up answering them. Especially that quoted part below, you are assuming that what I meant was I was referring to a certain person but in fact, I was just putting my self into scums shoes. You do realize that we all should know how scums think and this should not be a discussion. It's a norm and we all should accept the fact the everyone once in a while, we are scums!

Yes exactly, i imagined you in Mafia Shoes & i ran a simulation where you Play the way you said you would and i found out that it contradicts your thoughts about Mafia in general & Beky's kill

According to you, you wouldn't let them kill Beky and yet he died, so this means you are not Mafia, alright cool
But you said Mafia could be Veterans who went for a very smart Risk by killing Beky N1, Contradiction Found
This means your defense is obsolete, you can still be a Mafia who went for the Veteran Idea

Also, i don't put you in Scum Shoes only, i test you in Town Shoes too, because you can be either from my perspective at this point of the Game
And a Townie wouldn't know if Mafia targeted Beky or not so when someone suspects you, you might defend by simply saying that you were pointing out Scenarios in case Beky was the Target, but instead you defended still based on the idea that Beky was their Target

Just to remove confusion, i don't suspect you only for your Post about Mafia, i suspect mostly for this one:

I don't think so. If I am mafia, I will contest killing either Odd, you, Beky N1. I might go for the less watched players like Kibi, Naomi, Hayumi.

 

[Mr. Doflamingo]

You just said Veterans targeted Beky for a high risk high reward play

Gambit didnt say veteran target anyone.

Your last posts are saying long nonsense arguments
Where I smell strong scummy smell here

vote Salah

 

[Gambit]

Yes exactly, i imagined you in Mafia Shoes & i ran a simulation where you Play the way you said you would and i found out that it contradicts your thoughts about Mafia in general & Beky's kill

According to you, you wouldn't let them kill Beky and yet he died, so this means you are not Mafia, alright cool
But you said Mafia could be Veterans who went for a very smart Risk by killing Beky N1, Contradiction Found
This means your defense is obsolete, you can still be a Mafia who went for the Veteran Idea

Also, i don't put you in Scum Shoes only, i test you in Town Shoes too, because you can be either from my perspective at this point of the Game
And a Townie wouldn't know if Mafia targeted Beky or not so when someone suspects you, you might defend by simply saying that you were pointing out Scenarios in case Beky was the Target, but instead you defended still based on the idea that Beky was their Target

Just to remove confusion, i don't suspect you only for your Post about Mafia, i suspect mostly for this one:

Those are my initial thoughts and I think that I already admitted that I missed the part of transported claims. But then again, my stand point stands and I based that on my past experiences with the veterans here. As you know, I have rolled too many scum roles in the past and I must say that there had been a lot of conversations on who to target N1 and who not to. In that case, I brought about the possibility of Mafia consists of like-minded veterans who would opt to shoot out co-veterans players in an attempt to reduce the risk in deductive plays. Like I said, it will be risky but will benefit them in the end if the likes of Beky or You or Odd will be eliminated henceforth. That's just one of the options but risky. But there's another possibility (this only concerns of Beky without transported claims) that they don't know that Beky will most likely be protected and that's why I said they might be fools.
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Gambit didnt say veteran target anyone.

Actually, I insinuated the possibility of veteran players and Salah has presented a positive outlook on his arguments against my defense. He is a great player and he knows what he's saying. I don't like though how Rej would try to attempt to dismantle my position on this matter and I like most of the people do, I have been waiting on someone to nitpick statements from my debater and when that happens, I will throw my shade on them.

Weren't you too careless in placing vote against Salah when you identified that Odd was against them and disregarded the fact the Odd might have been testing him AND became more confident that you thought we are head-to-head against each other and would constitute a third vote on him and complete the wagon? That's pretty opportunistic if you are wondering.

 

[Salah Eddine]

Gambit didnt say veteran target anyone.

Your last posts are saying long nonsense arguments
Where I smell strong scummy smell here

vote Salah

As far as i'm concerned my arguments are the only ones so far in this Game
So as long as i don't see Players moving a finger, i will keep saying nonsense
Btw do you see me voting on Gambit?

 

[Mr. Doflamingo]

Actually, I insinuated the possibility of veteran players and Salah has presented a positive outlook on his arguments against my defense. He is a great player and he knows what he's saying. I don't like though how Rej would try to attempt to dismantle my position on this matter and I like most of the people do, I have been waiting on someone to nitpick statements from my debater and when that happens, I will throw my shade on them.

Weren't you too careless in placing vote against Salah when you identified that Odd was against them and disregarded the fact the Odd might have been testing him AND became more confident that you thought we are head-to-head against each other and would constitute a third vote on him and complete the wagon? That's pretty opportunistic if you are wondering.

As far as i'm concerned my arguments are the only ones so far in this Game
So as long as i don't see Players moving a finger, i will keep saying nonsense
Btw do you see me voting on Gambit?

fair enough.
I am at work and cant read throughfully so I was just skimming and say my first impression

unvote
I will read better and say more later on

 

[Gambit]

LOL

 

[Rej]

If you knew that no one would have like that argument, why pull it off in the first place? And why me of all people? Easy mislynch?


Where did I ever put you in that platform?

I just said that it's a high risk reward that is one of the possibilities and not certainly. There's a difference between that.
I simply responded to Fallen Prince's query and as a person who played a lot, that's how I see it. I am open to different points of views by the way.

You're are going out of line in this argument. It seems that you are attempting to discard what has initially transpired that ignited that discussion and why I ended up answering them. Especially that quoted part below, you are assuming that what I meant was I was referring to a certain person but in fact, I was just putting my self into scums shoes. You do realize that we all should know how scums think and this should not be a discussion. It's a norm and we all should accept the fact the everyone once in a while, we are scums!

Yep there's a thin line that separates Wifom and reverting back to your accuser.

And another wifom to me.
But I will answer it, simply because I am town and you are scum, that's why they dont like it.

Vote lynch Gambit @Nessos

for now

 

[oddoddfruit]

Are you desperate for my Claim?
I'm Town translates to i'm Town, is Survivor a Town Role?

You said you were town even when you're not, that translates to neutral willing to help town to me

 

[Salah Eddine]

Those are my initial thoughts and I think that I already admitted that I missed the part of transported claims. But then again, my stand point stands and I based that on my past experiences with the veterans here. As you know, I have rolled too many scum roles in the past and I must say that there had been a lot of conversations on who to target N1 and who not to. In that case, I brought about the possibility of Mafia consists of like-minded veterans who would opt to shoot out co-veterans players in an attempt to reduce the risk in deductive plays. Like I said, it will be risky but will benefit them in the end if the likes of Beky or You or Odd will be eliminated henceforth. That's just one of the options but risky. But there's another possibility (this only concerns of Beky without transported claims) that they don't know that Beky will most likely be protected and that's why I said they might be fools.

As i said, the only thing i'm against is when you used your expected playstyle as Mafia to say you can't be one
Aside from that, i only said i have you on my watchlist, these suspicions can be ignored when a better suspect appears but unfortunately activity is still low

Actually, I insinuated the possibility of veteran players and Salah has presented a positive outlook on his arguments against my defense. He is a great player and he knows what he's saying. I don't like though how Rej would try to attempt to dismantle my position on this matter and I like most of the people do, I have been waiting on someone to nitpick statements from my debater and when that happens, I will throw my shade on them.

Weren't you too careless in placing vote against Salah when you identified that Odd was against them and disregarded the fact the Odd might have been testing him AND became more confident that you thought we are head-to-head against each other and would constitute a third vote on him and complete the wagon? That's pretty opportunistic if you are wondering.

@Mr. Doflamingo you subbed at who's place?

 

[Gambit]

But I will answer it, simply because I am town and you are scum, that's why they dont like it.

Ok. Sure. Well, lemme educate you something about WIFOM. People have been trying to figure out what transpired that night and if putting thyself in somebody else's shoes is WIFOM, then you are saying that we are not entitled to conclude. Remember, the most essential part of investigation is assumption and if the assumption is wrong then you get the credit to say you're wrong and apologise. But there has to be a corrective actioin when you realize that you're wrong.