Chapter Discussion One Piece 1009: Hell

[Udell]

Oda inconsistency about how Luffy could handle damage sometimes irritates me, how could Luffy handle Rob Lucci's ultimate attack then collapsed just from "basic" Apoo's attack, even tho the explosion comes from inside ? It's weird...

Last time we have Zoro collapsed from Killer's "super basic" stab, then suddenly he can block (for a second) Yonkou's attack, once again it's pretty weird situation created by Oda himself...

I can't argue with this topic...so many inconsistency by Oda....

EXACTLY
I keep telling people everything is done mostly for plot how Oda wants things to work out. Luffy is actually an insane tank plain and simple.

 

[Nessos]

But they weren't even trying? Hurting Big Mom wasn't their objective to begin with.

So far it doesn't look like they are able to do so. Maybe Zoro with the help of Enma.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

So far it doesn't look like they are able to do so. Maybe Zoro with the help of Enma.

Well, Kid probably can't hurt Big Mom, but Killer managed to hurt Kaido through a sound thecnique, although It didn't do much to Kaido, but still... so I think he can tickle Big Mom too. Law also tickled Big Mom with his gamma knife, the only one who can't hurt her at all is kid.

 

[Nessos]

Well, Kid probably can't hurt Big Mom, but Killer managed to hurt Kaido through a sound thecnique, although It didn't do much to Kaido, but still... so I think he can tickle Big Mom too. Law also tickled Big Mom with his gamma knife, the only one who can't hurt her at all is kid.

I don't see tickling as hurting

 

[Udell]

I can't get over how Kaido went helicopter on Luffy and then brought the hammer down on his ass. Real top tier shit, Oda better make Luffy look even better when he drops his awesome techniques.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Ok, guys I've made a theory which is very relevant to this chapter. I had the idea for this for some time already, but I didn't have enough evidence to back it up.

One Piece - Kaido's natural weakness: Luffy just figured out how to defeat Kaido

Introduction Throughout the series, Luffy, who has faced many great adversaries, managed to overcome them through unique and sometimes weird ways. One of those unique ways of defeating a very strong opponent, whose strength is vastly more powerful than Luffy's, is to find out his natural...

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[Srundenx]

Great points.
But honestly, Oda has been having this issues way before Wano.
This has started to be more apparent these last few months because the amount of important characters involved in this arc.
Every character must get their turn to shine, even the fodders. That's VERY HARD to do.

So everything that's power level-related in One Piece, I just take them with a grain of salt.

But for Zoro's feat against BM-Kaido, my only defense is this lad is supposed to be the future greatest swordsman. This is what I expect from him.
And he didn't completely "block" the attack, like how Jozu put Mihawk's slash to shame in Marineford.
He was coughing up blood and Law saved him in the last seconds.
Right now, I'm more curious about how Luffy survived Kaido's direct hit.

And I would like to think that Zoro-Luffy will be out of commission the next few chapters because of the heavy injuries they sustain this chapter.
That will leave Law-Killer-Kid against Kaido. Perfect time to let them shine.

If the fight keeps being this straightforward, once Zoro-Luffy recovered, I predict they will deliver the finishing blows against Kaido.
It would be even better if they also do a combination attack just like BM-Kaido this chapter.

Yup, more character to show, it'll be more difficult and more apparent in the strength differences, slight mistakes will make it weird and there will be a lot of question from the community...

Apoo survive against Zoro's Shishi SonSon is pretty weird too, since Zoro's attacks was considered being one of the strongest in the series right now....maybe these two Yonkou hyping Zoro too much....

Except Sanji, he never gets to shine, as matter of fact only opposite happens. Sanji gets humiliated arc after arc–chapter after chapter, it has reached to the point that I'm amazed by the fact that Oda isn't even planning to slow down. He doubles down on Sanji's humiliation with every chapter, I'm astonishingly surprized with Oda's pure hatred for Sanji. And when a say "hatred" I don't mean like hatred towards an enemy, not at all (otherwise Oda would have never created him in first place) I mean that Oda loves to make fun of Sanji.

No, I highly doubt that would happen! I can see Luffy being out for few minutes, possibly even for one chapter, but not Zoro. Oda loves to highlight Zoro's endurance, and I mean he really loves to do it, Oda is unapologetically open about–hyping up Zoro's endurance nonstop.

1. He did it in Thriller Bark when Zoro took all of Luffy's enjures on top of his own.​

2. He did in Wano when Zoro tanked Apoo's attack but Luffy was knocked out for few seconds, and Zoro was forced to carry him etc.​

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And I'm convinced that Oda will not miss his opportunity to hype up Zoro's endurance in comparison to Luffy's. Both Luffy and Zoro got heavily damaged in the same chapter for a reason, Oda wants to make another moment highlighting Zoro's endurance being above or higher/better than Luffy's.

This is my prediction for the next chapter.​

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Luffy will be completely out after Kaido's attack; Kid, Killer, Zoro will attack Kaido together to distract him from killing Luffy. Law will use that opportunity to teleport Luffy to somewhere else, Zoro will rest for few seconds but will be conscious unlike Luffy. We will see Luffy unconscious (Oda will do his best to draw Luffy as pathetic as possible in that scene in comparison to Zoro) then after few seconds or minutes, Luffy will regain his consciousness back, Zoro might be forced to carry him on his shoulders yet again before Luffy finally rejoins the fight.

Sanji was never in the discussion to begin with, he's just a cook, a cook who can fight..thats it....

I am not Zoro's fan, even tho i like Zoro, but Sanji was never in the list...it's weird to compare two of them when they have different occupation, one a swordsman, one a cook....

EXACTLY
I keep telling people everything is done mostly for plot how Oda wants things to work out. Luffy is actually an insane tank plain and simple.

Yup, he's potrayed to have a very durable body, can tank high damage, and so on, but since Haki was introduced, it's become weird sometimes, it not always noticeable when Haki was used/when it wasn't, and weird attacks like Apoo's was not fully explained about how it works. That's why it's weird.

Well, Kid probably can't hurt Big Mom, but Killer managed to hurt Kaido through a sound thecnique, although It didn't do much to Kaido, but still... so I think he can tickle Big Mom too. Law also tickled Big Mom with his gamma knife, the only one who can't hurt her at all is kid.

We still don't know Kid's full strength yet. Because it's weird if someone with Haoshoku mentioned by Kaido only can do this much. It will be too much for being potrayed as Luffy's rival.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Sanji was never in the discussion to begin with, he's just a cook, a cook who can fight..thats it....

I am not Zoro's fan, even tho i like Zoro, but Sanji was never in the list...it's weird to compare two of them when they have different occupation, one a swordsman, one a cook....

I didn't compare Sanji to Zoro, the gentlemen above said that "even fodders are going to shine in this arc" (which is obviously wrong) and I added "with exception of Sanji" since Sanji has become the joke of one piece.

We still don't know Kid's full strength yet. Because it's weird if someone with Haoshoku mentioned by Kaido only can do this much. It will be too much for being potrayed as Luffy's rival.

That's only if Oda is willing to show Kid's strength in comparison to Zoro, which I highly doubt. Oda can't physically allow himself to show someone on the same level or stronger than Zoro, he loves Zoro more than anything in his life, more than his children.

 

[Nocvius]

the gentlemen above said that "even fodders are going to shine in this arc" (which is obviously wrong)

The gentleman above said that "Every character must get their turn to shine, even the fodders."
That's a crazy difference. So you got that wrong.
That's also why I said Sanji will eventually get his turn (because that's a must) to support that statement.

Now I kinda get why you often have misinterpreted views, and you seem to focus on nitpicking ANYTHING you can about Luffy rather than enjoying the good stuff.
But let me be honest. It's starting to get REALLY, REALLY annoying.

Zoro did a crazy feat blocking that yonko tag team attack even for just 1-2 seconds and almost died for doing so if Law wasn't there.
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"Zoro is carrying the fight. Luffy is pathetic."

Kaido CHOSE to dodge Luffy's attack (a subtle form of acknowledgement) and even got mocked by the guy he 1-shot just a few weeks ago.
Kaido also COMPARED Luffy to the likes of Shanks, Roger, WB, Oden, Xebec when Luffy smacked his face to the ground in chapter 1000.
That means Kaido COULD NOT BELIEVE how CRAZY FAST Luffy's growth is.
And as a reader, I see Luffy's growth as simply monstrous. IN JUST UNDER A YEAR, this mad lad learned FUTURE SIGHT & RYOU.
Kaido and BM don't even have both. And they have been around for DECADES.
And assuming Shanks has both, who knows how long it took him to MASTER these abilities.
This chapter, Luffy also had to tank Kaido's named attack DIRECTLY.
And we KNOW he WILL eventually get back on his feet from that monstrous attack to end the fight.
And just chapters ago Luffy TANKED Kaido's breath before pummeling Kaido and FORCED Kaido to take him seriously by going hybrid.
BM was LITERALLY WORRIED when she saw Kaido fall after taking those hits.
Even someone like Kid ACKNOWLEDGED Luffy's strength after he saw what Luffy did.
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"Let's ignore all of this. Luffy is still pathetic. Zoro is the new PK candidate."

Oh. My. Goodness.

That's only if Oda is willing to show Kid's strength in comparison to Zoro, which I highly doubt.

Because what's the point of comparing a very versatile swiss knife to a very sharp blade?
I never saw Kid as the character who only focus on raw power.

He can let himself teleport, render any soldiers who use guns & blades useless, trap stuff in his metal boxes, and so much more.
We have yet to see what he's truly capable of, unlike Luffy and Zoro.
But I'm confident that he's a monster in his own way, because he's close to being the Magneto of OP. And we all know how scary Magneto is.

 

[Srundenx]

I didn't compare Sanji to Zoro, the gentlemen above said that "even fodders are going to shine in this arc" (which is obviously wrong) and I added "with exception of Sanji" since Sanji has become the joke of one piece.

I know, i just added some fact about Sanji which everyone likes to compare him with Zoro...especially Sanji fans, they need to wake up...

That's only if Oda is willing to show Kid's strength in comparison to Zoro, which I highly doubt. Oda can't physically allow himself to show someone on the same level or stronger than Zoro, he loves Zoro more than anything in his life, more than his children.

He should be, the moment Oda gave Kid high bounty comparable to Luffy and gave him Haoshoku, he's responsible to make Kid looks like Luffy's rival in becoming PK. Story wise, no matter how much Oda loves Zoro, no matter how strong Zoro is, Zoro was never Luffy's rival to become PK, he's Luffy subordinate. While Luffy was potrayed as Roger, Kid was potrayed as WB, that's what I see between them.

 

[Nessos]

Let's ignore all of this. Luffy is still pathetic. Zoro is the new PK candidate."

Thats the problem with powerlvl discussion. They only compare feats by how they look like and try to ignore the plot.

Zoro will always be protrayed being close to Luffy but Zoro will never surpass Luffy. Thats given by the plot.

 

[Gambit]

Oda is still the Mvp.

But fuck Zoro. I'd rather see Gambit eat my heart than seeing Oda letting Zoro shine once again.

#teamsanji

stfu. oda is the biggest zoro wankie.