[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Onadaga]

i dont need to convince a member of the mafia that im town, you already know im town.

 

[Dragomir]

Oh my goodness. Your stubborn play style will be a goddamn pain.

 

[Onadaga]

it will be a pain only for the members of the mafia

ive done a good job mediating between town members and trying to calm down the aids

u can yell at me only if end up being wrong

(and i wont end up being wrong)

 

[Oreki]

@Dragomir your reads on Juliet

 

[Michelle]

good morning everyone. i have to catch up from this post.

@Michelle did you ever feel pressured by me?

Nope, but i felt the need to explain that post of yours can me looked from another pov. I saw that you had other intention with it, which i didn't understand reading the post.

 

[Dragomir]

@Dragomir your reads on Juliet

I got none.

 

[Oreki]

I got none.

Can you ISO her and give me your opinion? I wanna see why I am the only one beside Onad that reading her bad

 

[Michelle]

Onawgahalama is totally reasonable for that he is the perfect neighbour but wouldn't exclude the possibility of him having skeletons in the closet.

tell me more about this

 

[Oreki]

I'll just get to the point myself. Juliet an experienced player doesn't have a single solid stance from the very start of the game, her reads are based on pre-game information such as meta, assumption that scum won't say that specific thing what I consider a false delusional certainty. Nothing of worth has proven to back her reads besides what I said above. Probably trying to get town credit, perhaps? At first look, it seems she has a very wise and a certain eye for towns unless she knew their identities before the game even started.
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[Michelle]

Ona and Stray sure are noisy clasmates.. Lol
Oreki this doesn't sound like you are sleepy at all. More like sneaky. But meh.

Can you expand on this please?
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uh.. i am at post 701 which is a wall and i have to do some rl stuff until i can read that page and continue to play.
Bbl

 

[Onadaga]

@Beky @tedxtr @Stray Cat @Michelle @Rej @joby @Nessos @Samael @Gambit @Trafalgar Law

Please be receptive of my words.
Here are:
Dragomir's ISO: https://thrillerbark.com/search/74125/
Juliet's ISO: https://thrillerbark.com/search/74126/

Here is Drago's meta described by Stray Cat

Scum Drago: Comes into a game all strong and active and pushy, then takes a backseat.

Town Drago: Has comprehensive reads, more laid back and inquisitive play style, also more chill in general.

Please show me Drago's comprehensive reads.

Please tell me how did he NOT come in strong and active in the game pushy, and then just started asking one liner questions "How does that make you feel?" that lead to nowhere. He admitted that he got no worthwhile conclusion from them.

My conclusion is that their responses to my own were fine, at least the ones that made a response.

"At least the ones that made a response", meaning not everyone made a response, meaning Dragomir didn't even push further to get a response. Why did he not push further to get a response if his objective is to get answers?

Because his objective isn't to get answers, it's to show to the audience that he's asking questions. Makes sense?

Please tell me how did he NOT take a backseat now after being pushy at the game start.

@Onadaga you say that I was playing my scum meta at the start but I'm not anymore right? How do you feel about that? You scum read me for playing my scum meta at the start of the game but now that I'm not playing that meta anymore, does it still make sense to scum read me? You have an argument against me but there's also one that supports me. These two arguments cancel out, meaning your scum read should be non-existent.

Look at this. JUST LOOK AT THIS. @tedxtr , if you especially can't see the scum here I'm disappointed and IDK what to say.

I mean just look at the post. I don't want to hold your hands guys.


As for Juliet, Oreki (who is town) said some stuff about her, IDK about her meta and stuff, but I knew she was scum when I saw this post:

Nessos, Gambit, and joby were getting scum read the most by most of the players. I was feeling wary a scum player would want to focus on those 3 players if they are really town or if there is scum in one of those players. I never do pushes and I'm the kind of player who wants to make sure if my read is right first and then I will vote. I also wanted to hear more from you afterwards.

It finally dawned to me that Juliet is here to make friends. Her thought process is: "If I defend these low-posting players (who I know are all town), I will make them feel good, I will make them feel as if they finally have justice, and that the meanies were bullying them. So this is good for me, right? If I portray the notion that "putting pressure on people is bad" then that means people will like me more, right?"

It's not this particular, it's her whole play as a whole, I just didn't bother reading it with much attention until I finally saw the pattern.

Cool?

I don't have any particular reason to scumread Poison-chan, it's just PoE. I've just had scum games where I was busy and I kept making excuses about inactivity, I guess.

Nessos is town because he is a solo agent NOT making friends and he's making enemies. What do scum gain from getting into arguments with people and clogging up the thread with melodrama?

Same reason why Gambit is town @Stray Cat.

Please @ everyone get over yourselves and stop pushing to lynch people that you feel aren't doing the correct thing they should be doing as villagers.

"You are lazy, you are illogical, you are hypocritical, you are unfair" - NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE SCUM TELLS. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE DONE BY SCUM MORE THAN TOWN.

Also please get over yourselves when people tell you that they feel as if you're slacking and being illogical. It's not a personal attack on you, it's just that those people are passionate about the game and they wanna win. Exercise having empathy and meeting people half-way and there will be no melodrama and stuff.

Cool?

Onadaga, Stray Cat, tedxtr
Gambit, Oreki, Nessos, Rej, Michelle
Samael, Beky
Trafalgar Law, joby
Poison Chan
Dragomir, Juliet

 

[Oreki]

I don't think everyone reading Drago town it's more like they're all focusing on their primary target.

@Onadaga If you consider Juliet a scum to then you may as well vote for her

 

[Juliet]

I'll just get to the point myself. Juliet an experienced player doesn't have a single solid stance from the very start of the game, her reads are based on pre-game information such as meta, assumption that scum won't say that specific thing what I consider a false delusional certainty. Nothing of worth has proven to back her reads besides what I said above. Probably trying to get town credit, perhaps? At first look, it seems she has a very wise and a certain eye for towns unless she knew their identities before the game even started.
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Nessos has been getting scum read a lot and I have been figuring out if he is scum or town. The post I found of Nessos he said he doesn't mind being mislynched and I viewed that post as this is something town would say since most of the time it would be town who says this and I hardly ever see scum say this. You voted Nessos and when I look at the players list, I start to wonder who could be Nessos scum buddies since most of the players have been after him.

Drago - voted Nessos
ted - voted Nessos
Rej - Puts Nessos as one of his lynch candidates today and later puts him to a town read
Poison - Town reads Nessos
joby - I don't recall joby talking about Nessos
Stray - Voted Nessos
Gambit - I don't recall Gambit talking about Nessos
Beky - scum reads Nessos
Ona - Town reads Nessos
Oreki - Votes Nessos
Michelle - Says something was not wolfy in his answers, and thinks it could go either way
Trafalgar - Says he's 50/50 about him

When you look at these players interactions, this is what it looked like. I'm the type of player who focuses on player interactions figuring out potential scum buddies when a player is getting scum read a lot.

 

[Onadaga]

I'm the type of player who focuses on player interactions figuring out potential scum buddies when a player is getting scum read a lot.

No, you're going through past interactions to make yourself appear busy to us and to avoid talking in real time and to avoid giving your stance on larger subjects more important than everyone's reads on one person that doesn't even matter.

 

[Oreki]

Nessos has been getting scum read a lot and I have been figuring out if he is scum or town. The post I found of Nessos he said he doesn't mind being mislynched and I viewed that post as this is something town would say since most of the time it would be town who says this and I hardly ever see scum say this. You voted Nessos and when I look at the players list, I start to wonder who could be Nessos scum buddies since most of the players have been after him.

Something is wrong with this post. Are you a genius who able to tell someone is a town based on Nessos' suicidal(literally) post? You say this but do you really believe this? Out of 14 players(excluding Nessos) 5 suspected him to be scum and interrogated him... so are you telling me that the other 9 players are probably clean since you assumed most of the players have been after him. In my experience, both town and scum give the impression of not wanting to get lynch or they say what Nessos said, you can't really discern someone's alignment based on this.

You're not looking to good so far, in my book.

 

[tedxtr]

Poison can also die for not town reading me

You have the green light Ona
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Poison would be trying hard here as either alignment, but I find the wall posting style and lack of presence to be indicative more of scum!her

She has thread presence as town, right now she feels like she’s coerced to play this game
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It’s like that 80 year old at a family party that once every falling star wakes up, tells a joke and then goes back to sleep again

 

[Stray Cat]

Good morning, everyone!

Coming back I found this gem of a post:

okay, so upto page 12,
I had made a previous post on this, but I forgot stuffs, so i read it again. my thoughts this time might be a lot different cause i paid more attention this time, and fuck it when i said i won't use meta.

1. among Stray and Gambit, I will townread stray, because, she had been answering to all the questions she was asked by several people all at a time, she didn't panic or wasn't over defensive.
2. I don't like Mich tbh, she even though beky said so many things to prove her town early on, mich in my opinion is acting weird, I haven't played any game with her in a long while but she didn't jump on rolling things on a game's first page and questing a player's 2nd posts.
3. Beky is a weird chapter, now when i say this, i already made a previous post and my opinions are pretty much thesame on her.
4. Oreki and rej are there questioning and talking but nothing worthy to speak of at the moment. I'm just amazed how rej hasn't voted himself yet, town rej is the weirdest of all.
5. ted, he if scum would never defend or get into any possible conversation with his team mates, as per my recent observation. but, ted is always experimenting and trying to change his meta, each play is different. but so far i don't like him enough to town read him at all.
6. juliet and drago kinda seemed like myself, appeared late with no significant opinions.
7. Joby is there, but i don't know, i liked one of her posts.
8. opinions on onadaga is pretty much same, town reading him.
9. i liked nessos, seemed like a town approach but can't really say.

darker a colour more prominent in my view, and blue stands for neutral.

Which I find really funny. Because all her scum reads, those coloured in red, are different from the "consensus" while still having some same Town reads in them.


Now, what could be the reason? This post sounds like distancing. As if she was taking a different approach than the rest to not look like a sheep. Now, if she was scum, she would definitely put at least one of her scum buddies as her scum reads.


Who is there? Beky.

Beky, Nessos and Poison could indeed be buddies. I doubt Beky would say what he said if he wasn't sure that Nessos will flip scum. We should lynch Nessos this DP to test that theory. Although Beky could still be Town, but there is also a chance he could be scum.

 

[Onadaga]

Why do you want to kill Nessos.

 

[Oreki]

Probably some attraction towards bird meat
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@tedxtr You trust me? Probably not... though what you think about Juliet?

 

[tedxtr]

Probably some attraction towards bird meat
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@tedxtr You trust me? Probably not... though what you think about Juliet?

I’ll read her posts once again, I’m trying not to bias myself because she’s doing busy work which can also happen to town but I really dislike it