[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

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I think Gambit is town.
I believe that you think that. But you have to give actual reasons for that if that's the case. There are people here like me who don't think he is, so what are you gonna tell them?
 
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I'm going to tell them to read my case and also to think in what world ever has a scum played like that and what their motives might be for playing how he does.

I've already touched on why his tunnel on you was townie.
 
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Are we sure Nessos is Town? How can we be sure he's not scum faking the usual mockery? Sorry, but your strong defense for him makes no sense...
I brought up a lot of logical reasons why I think he's scum. He accuses others of what he does himself. Additionally he's painting me and Beky in the same light, his defense is way too weak.


And most importantly: When he thinks Beky is scum, why does he know consider I could be his scum buddy and am trying to get rid of him with Beky? Given that he even called us "they", if he was Town, that should mean he shouldn't Town read me at all tbh. Yet he does. Why is that I wonder? Could it be because he knows I'm not scum because he is scum?


Then for meta reason:

He hates tunneling, but tunnels on Beky.
He mockery of me seems faked.
He even self voted at some point.


Seriously, how can you think he's Town?
Not saying he's 100% scum, but when you reach out your hands to somebody, give them a chance to get reevaluated and they just punch your hands away and resort to mocking you they deserve to get lynched tbh. Because, even if they are Town, they outshine scums in scumminess and make the real scums hard to find.

vote lynch Gambit

I rly dont have to justify this vote. I just hope others see what I see.
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Just came back from work, looking forward to play with Shottie tbh. I caught up, glad the pace went down. Now we can prepare for a proper EoD. :pepemusic:

Onadaga is so utterly scummy but he is entertaining.

Ask me questions. And what do others think? Who is scummier/townier between Nessos and Gambit and why?
Rej Voted Gambit

To this...
Yeah, reading back...Nessos is just annoying Town... :catface: . He does scum hunting, at least, but I'm not liking him mocking everyone who suspects him. Beky vs Nessos seems like TvT to me now.

Vote lynch Gambit.


Don't really get why he'd vote for Michelle in the first place tbh.
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@Rej Nessos is just annoying Town. Unless he is toying with us and pretending I don't see how he could be scum anymore. Although he seems more cautious than usual.

Gambit on the other hand is scummy af.

Same goes for Onadaga, but this could be a case of too scummy to be scum. Although I did get some TMI vibes from him at the beginning. And how he defends Nessos gives me those vibes again. Could still be his experience, but we should be keeping this in mind for further reference.
Stray Cat , I wanna know what changed your mind ? From questioning his town cred to giving him annoying town read ?
Did you reread Nessos's posts and realised that it was just TxT
 
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I can add to the Michelle case that her claim of pressuring me to reveal myself isn't reminiscent on how she treated me in other games, where she actually wanted to do that. There's no consideration here or follow-up.

I don't think town michelle puts me on null after I've provided her with content, reasoning being "I pressured you to reveal yourself"

uhhhh...no? You really didn't? You just put me at null and left me alone. I don't think she actually thought that by putting me at null she'd crack me. She'd do so if she called me scum for some stupid reason. In the past games, she kept pushing me with questions, whereas in here, her first few questions were actually kind of dismissive and I didn't really get the motivation behind them / what they wanted to achieve.

It's weird for her, also, her lack of presence is very much scum indicative for her.
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@Rej I still didn't get why you were town reading Michelle
 
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Rej Voted Gambit

To this...


Stray Cat , I wanna know what changed your mind ? From questioning his town cred to giving him annoying town read ?
Did you reread Nessos's posts and realised that it was just TxT
Yes, I did. I was also iso'ing Beky's posts and found that they were both Town-ish points. What I don't like is that while all this was unfolding some people were seemingly slipping under the radar. I think we should also look at those people who jumped on the Nessos wagon or Beky wagon.
 

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I feel like I have a somewhat average town core still, so a huge chunk of scum might actually be in my nulls
:pepehmm: I have the same thoughts, my townreads will be revisitted for sure after the night, just other options are vague right now, also because we have two new people here in the game to count it now

@Rej I still didn't get why you were town reading Michelle
convince me differently, Michelle is known to pop on EoD and do some major plays. I dislike your vote on her, but well see it as a test to her maybe. Maybe after the EoD performance my mind will be changed, but as said Michelle D1 is most likely always towny and not lynchworthy. On the other hand I dont remember many games where she rand scum and stomped me. 🤷
 
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Putting Nessos, Beky and myself aside there are:

Nessos Wagon: Ted, Dragomir, Oreki
Beky Wagon: Onadaga.
 
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Also, a CFD on someone else is a lot better for the game state

1) Because Michelle isn't the towniest of the bunch, so it still advances the game on some path for us

2) People that were locked on Nessos / Gambit whatever, are now forced to take a stance on Michelle, thus providing more information

I mean, if you want to look at Michelle's post and go "Yeah she's town" then don't vote, but I highly doubt any of you have a town read on her at all, except for Beky, and that argument is pretty bad. "Sucking as scum" and hating to play it doesn't mean that she isn't going to or at least fake the enthusiasm. I can fake the enthusiasm myself for the first few pages, because it's easy. There's barely anything to walk on, you can introduce yourself without looking scummy (most of the time). That's not a reason to town read someone like, never.
 
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Personally didn't like Michelle's start...it was hardcore but didn't maintained it..
Her car struck on Gambit...wanna hear more from her..
 
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:pepehmm: I have the same thoughts, my townreads will be revisitted for sure after the night, just other options are vague right now, also because we have two new people here in the game to count it now


convince me differently, Michelle is known to pop on EoD and do some major plays. I dislike your vote on her, but well see it as a test to her maybe. Maybe after the EoD performance my mind will be changed, but as said Michelle D1 is most likely always towny and not lynchworthy. On the other hand I dont remember many games where she rand scum and stomped me. 🤷
What does bolded mean? "likely always" on D1 only???
 
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How can I be that dumb?

Vote lynch Onadaga.

This guy is scum.

Reason: TMI vibes. His votes on the Beky and Nessos wagons. His defense for Nessos. His defense for Gambit. Also his fishing for the JOATs.
 
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Busy day at work

Anyway. I dont really agree with gambit or michelle lynch so i wont vote for either of them. I srsly believe Michelle is town and gambit is just hard to read for me.

Out of all lynch pool peeps here i just cant make up my mind. I just cant think atm so i wont think
 
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The spicy thing is between the guys who TR me i am sure one is scum and idk who. I am pocketed and i need to go to sleep in 30 mins
Blank statement. If you actually thought someone was scum between the people town reading you, you'd be stating which one they are by now.
 

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What does bolded mean? "likely always" on D1 only???
:feelsbadman: I don't know. I just think it's always her D1 performance she is open to others but maybe other factors play a role why she only stuck to Gambo

anyway we now should have 3 wagons if I am correct, all 3 at 2 or so
 
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I'm pretty zero'd in on Michelle scum and I'm willing to put myself on the line for it.
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:feelsbadman: I don't know. I just think it's always her D1 performance she is open to others but maybe other factors play a role why she only stuck to Gambo

anyway we now should have 3 wagons if I am correct, all 3 at 2 or so
What makes you think she's "open to others"?
 

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@Rej @Beky can you give me your reads on Onadaga?
Mentor like figure. Pushed the players forwards. Was more interested in progress than stagnation. He kept.it up for 48 hours almost and thats something you cant really do easily as scum. So he is either really fucking good wolf or just experienced townie. And i would say he is townie

yeah, I'm sure he is right when stating that you hate playing scum, but that doesn't mean you're not going to play or fake an entrance lol
Idk how many times you played with Michelle but she is easy to read
 
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Mentor like figure. Pushed the players forwards. Was more interested in progress than stagnation. He kept.it up for 48 hours almost and thats something you cant really do easily as scum. So he is either really fucking good wolf or just experienced townie. And i would say he is townie


Idk how many times you played with Michelle but she is easy to read
I've played with Michelle for more than 8 months, want to tell me I'm wrong?
 

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@Rej @Beky can you give me your reads on Onadaga?
Phew where should I start...
He had a strong entrance, moved the game forward, gained sympathy points and confidence, opened up
All around his argumentation became weaker he throws out less reads and hmm he is inconsistent, that's it. I will reserve him as strong option to vote after wagonomizations.
 
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