[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

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If shottie is town she did the same mistake as Juliet trying to use a meta from one year ago.... Lmao
 
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@Stray Cat what are the chances in your book shottie and dragon scum? We still haven't seen drago top tier read
 
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@Stray Cat what are the chances in your book shottie and dragon scum? We still haven't seen drago top tier read
We have yet to see you develop some good reads, too, you know.

I don't see Shottie as scum or have you ever seen scum Shottie so invested in playing? She'd just pretend to be sleeping and take a backseat.
 
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We have yet to see you develop some good reads, too, you know.

I don't see Shottie as scum or have you ever seen scum Shottie so invested in playing? She'd just pretend to be sleeping and take a backseat.
Have you actually read my game that Drago hosted? I provided the most reads, did the most posts analyzing and gave reads on most players... sadly I was scum in that. If lazy person like me can do everyone can
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Though opinion on Drago... you consider him bad... why?
 
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Have you actually read my game that Drago hosted? I provided the most reads, did the most posts analyzing and gave reads on most players... sadly I was scum in that. If lazy person like me can do everyone can
So...

Michelle vs Drago
Michelle vs Gambit
Wai vs Ted
Drago vs Ona

Thoughts?
 
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Case :

I tried to follow Waindo's thought process. I noticed some thing was off with regards to his actions, specifically, Waindo expressed a scum read on Cat, but the actual substance of it looks a lot more like...pocketing / buddying rather than presenting any genuine concern for Stray's alignment.

Then, he came into the day making a full 180 that I could not comprehend. Pay attention, he had me as a town lean, Stray as a gut / paranoia scum lean, and now he completely discredits this progression / throws it out the trash for no reason. Nothing that Stray has posted at SoD could've changed Waindo's opinion on both her AND ME. What changed for the both of us? There's no progression, but rather he capitalised on the moment.

Now, he argues that the progression on Stray was exactly this : He faked EVERYTHING just to catch scum like me and Gambit.

Why is it a scum thing? Because this isn't a solid town progression. This type of explaining comes a lot more from scum than town, BECAUSE Waindo would not even think of reaction testing other people WHEN HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT STRAY IS A TOWN FOR SURE.

The paranoia he pretends to espouse with his early posting doesn't match his line of scum hunting. You don't use a slot that you have no read on in order to catch other people. As town, that isn't fruitful, because

a) You don't know whether Stray is town, so doing that will most likely make you seem like a complete buffoon. You need to have a town read on someone in order to even claim you were using them as bait to catch other scum.

b) You never have the guarantee that someone will react to it, and someone calling someone scum for something doesn't mean that your reaction test worked.

According to how insane b) is as Waindo claiming this was all a mastermind plan, this looks a lot more like covering of previous tracks in order to maintain a town read. Me and Gambit scum reading Stray Cat created this thought process. It's not the other way around.

Town doesn't think about reaction tests on slots that they know can be dangerous scum, and RESORT TO DISCERNING THEIR ALIGNMENT FIRST BEFORE EVEN CHOOSING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH WAINDO NEVER DID

This thought process was made after the fact and it's CONCLUSION BASED in order to avoid talking about his shift on reads, both on Stray and me.

Conclusion based reads come from scum that are afraid of being caught. Town have to undergo a clear way until reaching a conclusion. This is the exact opposite of it.
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Never removing my vote, and you should all wagon Waidon into oblivion.
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Think to yourselves, what town that has no idea of the content, didn't read anything, and decides to use Stray, a person that they are very paranoid about and they know their scum game, would claim they town read them in order to catch someone else.

That's almost never happening.
 
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Case :

I tried to follow Waindo's thought process. I noticed some thing was off with regards to his actions, specifically, Waindo expressed a scum read on Cat, but the actual substance of it looks a lot more like...pocketing / buddying rather than presenting any genuine concern for Stray's alignment.

Then, he came into the day making a full 180 that I could not comprehend. Pay attention, he had me as a town lean, Stray as a gut / paranoia scum lean, and now he completely discredits this progression / throws it out the trash for no reason. Nothing that Stray has posted at SoD could've changed Waindo's opinion on both her AND ME. What changed for the both of us? There's no progression, but rather he capitalised on the moment.

Now, he argues that the progression on Stray was exactly this : He faked EVERYTHING just to catch scum like me and Gambit.

Why is it a scum thing? Because this isn't a solid town progression. This type of explaining comes a lot more from scum than town, BECAUSE Waindo would not even think of reaction testing other people WHEN HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT STRAY IS A TOWN FOR SURE.

The paranoia he pretends to espouse with his early posting doesn't match his line of scum hunting. You don't use a slot that you have no read on in order to catch other people. As town, that isn't fruitful, because

a) You don't know whether Stray is town, so doing that will most likely make you seem like a complete buffoon. You need to have a town read on someone in order to even claim you were using them as bait to catch other scum.

b) You never have the guarantee that someone will react to it, and someone calling someone scum for something doesn't mean that your reaction test worked.

According to how insane b) is as Waindo claiming this was all a mastermind plan, this looks a lot more like covering of previous tracks in order to maintain a town read. Me and Gambit scum reading Stray Cat created this thought process. It's not the other way around.

Town doesn't think about reaction tests on slots that they know can be dangerous scum, and RESORT TO DISCERNING THEIR ALIGNMENT FIRST BEFORE EVEN CHOOSING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH WAINDO NEVER DID

This thought process was made after the fact and it's CONCLUSION BASED in order to avoid talking about his shift on reads, both on Stray and me.

Conclusion based reads come from scum that are afraid of being caught. Town have to undergo a clear way until reaching a conclusion. This is the exact opposite of it.
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That's what I call a solid point.
And a lot of logic in that.

Wai, Drago are your suspects...who would you put in your third suspect slot?
 
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We have yet to see you develop some good reads, too, you know.

I don't see Shottie as scum or have you ever seen scum Shottie so invested in playing? She'd just pretend to be sleeping and take a backseat.
Been isoing you and Shots posts just now between 700 different chors my boo boo is making me do :pepeweird: and I must say that there's some interesting chemistry between you two.
 
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Been isoing you and Shots posts just now between 700 different chors my boo boo is making me do :pepeweird: and I must say that there's some interesting chemistry between you two.
Yes, there is, Wai. That's always the case in every game since I threw her into another dimension and got her lynched while she was sleeping.
 
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Yes, there is, Wai. That's always the case in every game since I threw her into another dimension and got her lynched while she was sleeping.
To be honest I'm so fucking confused right now tbh, especially while juggling between reading you all and picking out certain suspects and cooking. :blobworried:
 
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So...

Michelle vs Drago
Michelle vs Gambit
Wai vs Ted
Drago vs Ona

Thoughts?
We focus one such stuff too much that's why we lost in judging situations, deduction, strategy, our reason for mafia games existence itself. With any semblance of common sense, one would immediately realize it's just a waste of time and effort to focus on vs. arguments if you don't want to dwell in it!

The reason why who is right, no, what is the evidence to deduce as to why the right is right? In the end, are you planning to trust on anything besides your own reads or perhaps your feelings?

Phew... In a general sense of speaking, I think Drago reading way too much into it, honestly, Drago wants to focus on Michelle and wants to lynch me, it feels like he trying to contribute but not for the sake of game solving just for the show he's part of the game lol. it seems he simply the following bandwagon here. Nothing he posted so far gave me an ounce of green vibe.

Gambit and Michelle have not argued that you want to share your opinion in

Ted making sense but I don't read scum either of them,

Onadaga was a town for being overly emotional. You can't fake genuine emotions especially sadness, emotive kind of emotions. Also, the alot of stuff Onad said is not necessarily townie. Can call it a little bit of institution but I just don't see scum playing this analytic for all player with approach where he so emotions no less.
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What do you make of Juliet's suggestion to look into Oreki and Gambit after she gets lynched?
She was vanilla town which means it was only her opinion and the fact rej focused on Vanilla town opinion or was trying to is no green light and lowkey preparation of push
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Also, Trafalgar is another player who is passive as hell for only following the reads of other players lol
 
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