[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Dragomir]

1) Suspecting Oreki, yet not preventing the Juliet lynch. You saw your suspect push for a lynch EoD and didn't do anything against that. Like what?
2) You claiming to be Wolf at the beginning of the game. Could have been a joke, but it felt outta place.
3) You Town reading me...like what have I actually done that warranted a Town read at that time?
4) Your buddying with me. This still feels off.
5) You scum reading Michelle. Even if she was scum nothing actually warrants a scum read on her. To me it seems like you want her gone because she'll likely be protected. And if you suspect a player you gotta read all of their posts and not cherry pick those that make them look suspicious and not even show the full context.
6) Your entire responses to me when I started suspecting you.
7) You backpedalling on Oreki now after arguing that he is scum?


But most importantly: Your posts have an agenda. There seems to be purpose behind each post you are making. This isn't an analysis. Your entire points make Michelle look suspicious. The same feeling I got from joby when she tried to convince others that I'm scum.

1) I wasn't at EoD dude. I made one post and I dipped. I had no idea what was going on. You can't expect me to have stopped a whole lynch that I didn't know was happening.

2) Are you kidding me right now?

3) Flower, I thoroughly explained this in several posts. Both Gambit and Beky asked me to explain my read on you and I did just that. You say that you read all my posts and shade me for not doing so on my own suspicion but clearly you haven't. Don't be a hypocrite man.

4) You ever heard of mindmelding?

5) This is your opinion. Michelle may have not done anything scummy to you and that's fine. But for me, she has. I gave reasons why and explained why she was scum. Disagreeing with me does not at all make me scun in anyway shape or form.

6) What was inconsistent about them.

7) Backpedaling? Oh, you mean me changing my mind? Is that so wrong? Wow.

Cool tinfoil, do you have any evidence that supports this agenda theory?

So yeah, what inconsistencies were you talking about again?

 

[Trafalgar Law]

I need a drink.


Why don't we just off Drago and get it over with?

Yeah lol....I'm done with this shit !

 

[Waindo]

I’ll be back when we’re wagonning Waindo

Where are we choo-chooing to?

 

[tedxtr]

Where are we choo-chooing to?

The City of Gallows.

 

[Shottie]

Good morning lovelies! I have my coffee I have a few alerts, let me gather my quotes together and see what was said about me while I was sleeping.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Until Drago is lynched I'm not playing.

I’ll be back when we’re wagonning Waindo

 

[Samael]

have a very big problem with lack of explanations. It shows me that you're not actually trying to make others see how bad a player is but just trying to give out a scum read. It's not genuine and pretty fake. Now, not every lack of explanation looks bad. It depends on the way the person was trying to give out the read.

i can get that but my whole thing concerning that was I saw no lack of explanation. Did you want her to elaborate by just saying the same thing with mor
Or.. sometimes you can say a lot saying less. She got her point across and those points I understood as did others. It seems like you just saw a big post and took it as a opportunity to jump on and gain oohs and ahhs for engaging.

You say that I changed once I was called out but what is the difference between current me and previous me? I was never aggressive to start of this game. In both phases, I have given out random town reads and provided no explanation. I have still questioned players just like I did last phase. Everything has been consistent. Nothing changed.

Drago it’s not just me noticing these things.
Your meta came into play because others noticed the patterns.
You changed. You were into everyone’s situation and commenting, poking, prodding, backing others logic. Even helping them at times or quoting with your own response, I’ve been scum with you to many times not to notice. You come out the gate swinging to appear productive and willing to help solve games when in actuality it’s just smoke and mirrors. Once that’s gone you see a guy just piggy backing and adding his own thoughts here and there with no desire to truly do anything but push a game into a direction of his own.

Once called out you simply backed off. I don’t
See or get any of that from you, you didn’t have to address post concerning your play because the Change let’s me know you saw and took note of it. Your laid back and fitting that supposedly town meta of yours and don’t bring up activity because one can argue you’re only active now and still aggressive due to the sus being on you and you needing to defend yourself.
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Becuse they know they are lynching wrong person

thoughts on reads regarding your play

 

[Waindo]

The City of Gallows.

I'll be leaving the train one station prior to that, but you can kick your own chair don't worry, there's a strat for that; you just need to backflip off of it when you put on the noose.

 

[Beky]

thoughts on reads regarding your play

Huh? Reads on myself?

 

[Waindo]

Huh? Reads on myself?

Yes Beky, tell us your lean on yourself.

 

[Okosan]

Cooooooo! (Sigh guess it's finally time to catch up on this thing)

 

[Samael]

Stray/Drago/Beky !

Dragomir I can honestly see and get behind but stray? Nah man lmao I just can’t see it if I’m wrong then I might need a break from maf to read snd work on reading others.
Beky I can get behind as well they’ve done nothing outside defend themselves and Michelle early on.

what makes me even more skeptical of stray being maf is do you see the Drago interactions and post referring him? Can’t see it man. Possibly good distance attempt but I see no reason for that I don’t think dragos in deep enough trouble for that. Thoughts?
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Huh? Reads on myself?

as in what do you make of those sussing your play. And how you’ve been playing

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Dragomir I can honestly see and get behind but stray? Nah man lmao I just can’t see it if I’m wrong then I might need a break from maf to read snd work on reading others.
Beky I can get behind as well they’ve done nothing outside defend themselves and Michelle early on.

what makes me even more skeptical of stray being maf is do you see the Drago interactions and post referring him? Can’t see it man. Possibly good distance attempt but I see no reason for that I don’t think dragos in deep enough trouble for that. Thoughts?

Yeah...I'm aware of Drago / Stray interaction ! And it's odd combination since she wanted to lynch...

My real plan was to keep wagon on Drago to check out if she keep her vote on him or not (if later Drago flip scum)
But Oreki break wagon...

So I'll prefer Drago lynch...I know I'm reading too much on her but that Nessos/stray call off is hard to digest for me
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What's your thought on Shottie and Beky
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Also wanna know more about Poision

 

[Dragomir]

@Samael

i can get that but my whole thing concerning that was I saw no lack of explanation. Did you want her to elaborate by just saying the same thing with mor
Or.. sometimes you can say a lot saying less. She got her point across and those points I understood as did others. It seems like you just saw a big post and took it as a opportunity to jump on and gain oohs and ahhs for engaging.

The post that Michelle initially talked about Gambit in she made no explanation. Go read it. At best all she did was say that he was scum for xyz. She failed to provide the evidence for where he did these things and how any of those things made Gambit scum. The rest of her post was her asking Gambit questions that didn't showcase any progression with the scum read. This is what I mean by lack of explanation.

@bold who does that? Have you ever seen me do that? We were just buddies on NF, so tell me, have I done something like that?

If you guys don't actually understand my posts, that's fine. Ask and I will clear it up. Don't be coming up with all these non-sensical tinfoils.

I will reply to the second part of your post later.

 

[Beky]

as in what do you make of those sussing your play. And how you’ve been playing

Par from you i only see Drago sussing me. Wai kinda did but he never made a case on it so w/e

Drago is all over the place, was calm D1 but D2 he is off the chains. I reckon with Odanaga gone ( who had Dragomir as sus #1) he feels more free and not restrictive. Then again his reckless plays showed his flaws this day. Suspects Michelle for which i am more than willing to chicken race him and anyone here to lynch her bcs i know 100% he will back out.

You on other hand, i feel like you don't reas my posts. You said i am defending myself and michelle but i didnt do either of thosw things today? However i did interact with others today which you obviously missed

And considering this is 48 hour phase i dont throw my cards early. Showing your hand early just gives your enemies enough time to adjust to you. I always tend to give my reads later when i build up enough stuff to say.

 

[Samael]

What's your thought on Shottie and Beky

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Also wanna know more about Poision

to keep shit real bro who is poison? Lmao

and Shottie as of right now is town imo, weird he just came into play but it’s something about his start and how confident he was with things. As I said he even gave me looks into the inconsistencies and flip
Flipping with Drago. Beky? Scum. Her, Drago big chances. What has Beky done? Lmao sit on that and think about then sht she’s done, weird play right?

 

[Okosan]

Cooo!! (Btw Okosan will probably be doing one mega post for every 10 pages or so. Normally Okosan doesn't post like that and likes to do smaller one line to one paragraph posts, but this seems like the only real way to get through 80 pages without forgetting stuff along the way)

 

[Dragomir]

Vote Lynch Michelle

Apparently, I am going to 100% back out from this. Let's just see how true that is shall we?

 

[Samael]

@Samael

The post that Michelle initially talked about Gambit in she made no explanation. Go read it. At best all she did was say that he was scum for xyz. She failed to provide the evidence for where he did these things and how any of those things made Gambit scum. The rest of her post was her asking Gambit questions that didn't showcase any progression with the scum read. This is what I mean by lack of explanation.

@bold who does that? Have you ever seen me do that? We were just buddies on NF, so tell me, have I done something like that?

If you guys don't actually understand my posts, that's fine. Ask and I will clear it up. Don't be coming up with all these non-sensical tinfoils.

I will reply to the second part of your post later.

I’ll go back and see if I can see things your way. But she said he’s scum, listed her reasons. Meaning she explained her reasons as to why she thought that way. She didn’t provide quotes which you didn’t like? Wait bro wtf?? Where talking about two different situations. I’m speaking on the waindo post, not gambit that sht is old man.

The bold comes down to not what have I seen you do but what I know you’re capable of doing. You are very capable and with that whole you being aggressive and coming as always in the mix as town when your scum fits that. I’ve seen scum do it a lot since playing, they’ll pick a post and jump on it to get cred from it. Some just don’t count
On the potential backlash that can come from doing this.

Last part isn’t worth an actual response.

 

[Dragomir]

You changed. You were into everyone’s situation and commenting, poking, prodding, backing others logic. Even helping them at times or quoting with your own response, I’ve been scum with you to many times not to notice. You come out the gate swinging to appear productive and willing to help solve games when in actuality it’s just smoke and mirrors. Once that’s gone you see a guy just piggy backing and adding his own thoughts here and there with no desire to truly do anything but push a game into a direction of his own.

So what is it that you're saying here? I don't get it. Are you saying that me coming out swinging is my scum meta or town meta? If it's the former then it would contradict what Flower said about me last phase which you agree with. If it's the latter then I don't see how that makes me scum.