[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Shottie]

Good. I will let you guys decide this time, so there won't be any sheeping.

Says there won't be any sheeping but then also says
"Yea a Shottie lynch is a good idea we can all agree on."

Let me ask you this Stray Cat.
What happens when I flip town?

 

[Stray Cat]

Says there won't be any sheeping but then also says
"Yea a Shottie lynch is a good idea we can all agree on."

Let me ask you this Stray Cat.
What happens when I flip town?

Then you have yourself to blame for acting scummy. I won't regret lynching you. I have offered you to work together last DP and did so again this DP. But all you do is jump at people calling you scummy and get overly defensive and all sarcastic. You say nobody is taking you seriously, but what's stopping you from making actual cases for your suspects? From pushing the discussion forward? Nothing does. Nothing at all. There is a reason why half the players left in the game are willing to lynch you and that's definitely not "Because Stray says so".

 

[Waindo]

 

[Stray Cat]

Anyway, I will go to bed now. So good night everyone!

 

[Shottie]

But all you do is jump at people calling you scummy and get overly defensive and all sarcastic

Oh and you haven't? I'm sorry let's look at your history this game:
Joby painted me scummy- joby is scum!
Ted didn't agree with me- ted is scum!
Ona agreed with Gambit- ona is scum!
Beky called me out for my reads on Gambit!- beky is scum!
Nessos didn't agree with me! - nessos is scum!
Shottie called me out!- shottie is scum!
Go take a good hard look at yourself this game before you say I jumped all over people who called me scum. The primary person is you calling me scum.
Wai has "scum read" me since I posted saying he was my scum read on day 2. Michelle only started this dp because she thought I went too hard on you.
Beky is only now calling me scum, and I pissed him off the other night.
But am I jumping at those people?

I have offered you to work together last DP and did so again this DP.

Indeed I turned down your offer last day period. I wasn't going to go with your plans. But it was funny to see that your "flawless" stress test still made you doubt that it worked. Again what was the point of it? You never answered. But this SAME stress test cleared Wai. (Who was going to rage quit when he was getting lynched. Yea... like you can quit when you're lynched.. but ok).
I don't recall the offer this day period... in fact this day period started off with "shottie is my scum read".

You say nobody is taking you seriously, but what's stopping you from making actual cases for your suspects? From pushing the discussion forward?

I HAVE made cases for my suspects but literally no one has even quoted me or pointed them out so how do I push the discussion forward with others? I asked people to look at something and all y'all came up with is "shottie doesn't know the mechanics stupid scum"
When I asked my suspects questions I'm told I'm tunneling.

There is a reason why half the players left in the game are willing to lynch you and that's definitely not "Because Stray says so".

No, it's because "if we disagree with Stray she's going to hound us for 96 hours until she gets her way."

I've asked for a sub anyway so if you're going to lynch might as well so Novas doesn't have to find a sub who will be stuck with "but Joby threw Shade at me so this new person is scum too!"

 

[Shottie]

But I really wanted folks to read these words of wisdom from the Grave about Stray Cat

I will say this, if you're town, you're revolving the game around you way too much and it looks really bad for you. Townies will start piling up on you out of spite.

You're mistaking scummy for scum doing something.

I'm 100% sure scum don't ever make the attempt to discredit a single person in the game. Oda was killed because he was obviously town. If scum thought you're so powerful to the point where they need to discredit you, they'd just off you instead of doing that.

Never in my life would I have interpreted the Oda kill as an attempt to discredit you, or anyone for that matter.

You need to stop jumping at everything directed at you and assume it comes from scum. It's really hard to follow your thoughts and reads and it will 9/10 times make townies pile up on you out of spite.

 

[Shottie]

I'm gonna tinfoil hat a moment. Y'all won't care but I'm gonna tinfoil anyway.

What if Law protected Ted while Ted protected Stray? Ted agreed with my early assessment that he would likely be the one attacked that night (why would he even pull that note out knowing he protected Stray, even as a throw away? No one else noticed it or talked about it)
So... if we look at the mafia kills (and attempts) we have
N1- Ona
N2- Ted (not stray) failed
N3- Ted

Which admittedly makes more sense. Especially since Stray has only been hitting townies with her lynches and reads and brings some lovely chaos to the dp.

So the question you have to ask yourself then is who wanted Ona AND Ted gone.

My tinfoil hat scum team would then be Stray Cat, Michelle, Wai/Rej.

 

[Shottie]

I mean, Stray Cat had a chance to ignore my case on her, I made it when everyone was sleeping and no one was following me on it. (Samuel came in later I guess, but to be fair Stray had poked him too. Spite votes are really building up here... ) but alas, like Joby I threw Shade at her and here we are. I'm accused as being scum because I did the EXACT same thing she did to Gambit and myself.
Painting us as ineffective town because everything we have said had been twisted by her to be Shade thrown her way and makes us look like scum. Painting us as scum because we would rather GIVE UP than deal with posts that twist our words so that we give a narrative she can complain about.
She has no regret lynching me this dp, with my lynch town will lose so good game y'all, it's not been a pleasure.

 

[Waindo]

In that scenario, If I truly managed to get fooled by Stray that much, again; it would probably make me go on a break from Mafia.

 

[Samael]

Ask waindo why he scum reads me and laugh at the reasoning

Stray cat says ona was killed for his town reads to set her up
- ted vs
- wai is insta-buddying with Stray cat
- rej is first to propose Drogmir killed ona for the scum read.
- Drago came in saying nah, everyone read me as town.
- Drago also counters with Gambit
Gambit
- It was several pages later Beky comes in sayin it was someone from his sus list that might have killed him, this post was looked over and then ona's death wasn't really talked about again that dp.

Let me ask you this.

From the people listed, where do you stand in terms of your reads on them.
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And again we have the same view xD. Don't see Beky as scum as much as the others.

You gonna throw sus on him for having the same reads as you or are you breaking out of character for this time?

 

[Shottie]

Ask waindo why he scum reads me and laugh at the reasoning

Let me ask you this.

From the people listed, where do you stand in terms of your reads on them.

At the risk of sounding buddy buddy...
I can't trust my read on Drago. I can't tell if I read him as scum cus of his posts or if it's my insta scum on him.
Wai still. I mean if my stress test didn't clear me how did it clear him? And that's now 2 lynches he's been saved from.

 

[Samael]

You all can lynch me if my alignment hasn’t been clear enough. Like I said it’s no knock on all players here but a few of you have a big issue of revolving the game around you and mixing spite with fair judgment.

I’ve presented cases, gave thoughts, hell I’ve offered to quit the bs of fighting one another and we all come together to find a common scum. It’s one thing to Express your thoughts and it’s another for you all to actually listen and consider. To many my way or the highway players in one setting and I bet big fucking money little side comment here and there posters are the actual scum.

 

[Dragomir]

@Dragomir please explain how Shottie is Town because I just don't see that.

No.

 

[Samael]

Waindo
Was actively saved from
A lynch.
Drago literally switched from his scum meta mid game once people started speaking on it and that was enough to make you all happy, no one questioned it.
rej, literally it’s pushing twilight hours and I can’t remember shit he’s done besides get talked about and no push.
beky same shit and somehow someone who hasn’t done shit is town read. It’s no point in trying to play and solve the game when you’re just going to punish me for it rather than actually consider what I have to say.

 

[Dragomir]

Waindo
Was actively saved from
A lynch.
Drago literally switched from his scum meta mid game once people started speaking on it and that was enough to make you all happy, no one questioned it.
rej, literally it’s pushing twilight hours and I can’t remember shit he’s done besides get talked about and no push.
beky same shit and somehow someone who hasn’t done shit is town read. It’s no point in trying to play and solve the game when you’re just going to punish me for it rather than actually consider what I have to say.

Ok, but I didn't. The only person who said that I was playing on my scum meta was Ona. Everyone else was saying I was playing on my town meta. It was the reason why Stray Cat was even town reading me D1.

 

[Okosan]

is @Okosan here today? I think he was busy yesterday

Coooo! (Lmao honestly Okosan forgot about this game for a bit. He's more available now, but also isn't super invested in this game to begin with tbh)
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Cooooooo? (Also for the people actually sussing Okosan, why? Can you give Okosan real actual reasons for it that aren't linked to Okosan's activity?)

 

[Shottie]

Coooo! (Lmao honestly Okosan forgot about this game for a bit. He's more available now, but also isn't super invested in this game to begin with tbh)
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Cooooooo? (Also for the people actually sussing Okosan, why? Can you give Okosan real actual reasons for it that aren't linked to Okosan's activity?)

It's directly related to your activity. Inactives= scum (usually)

 

[Okosan]

It's directly related to your activity. Inactives= scum (usually)

Cooo! (So you have no actual reasoning to sus Okosan besides, meh he's an easy read throw him in with the scum. Cool)
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COO! COOO! (Not to mention the fact that from your pov where Okosan is scum, his only big reads this entire game have been A) Stray and Gambit are just town. Which is presumably true. B) We should be lynching Wai. Which people still want to do. And C) Okosan had a town read on Drago earlier. No idea where that stands tbh)

Cooooo! (Like what kind of agenda do you think Okosan has been pushing this game if he's scum?)
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Coo? (Okosan not saying people should town read him or anything, but there's no reason to legit scum read him for actual reasons. PoE sure)

 

[Shottie]

Cooo! (So you have no actual reasoning to sus Okosan besides, meh he's an easy read throw him in with the scum. Cool)
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COO! COOO! (Not to mention the fact that from your pov where Okosan is scum, his only big reads this entire game have been A) Stray and Gambit are just town. Which is presumably true. B) We should be lynching Wai. Which people still want to do. And C) Okosan had a town read on Drago earlier. No idea where that stands tbh)

Cooooo! (Like what kind of agenda do you think Okosan has been pushing this game if he's scum?)
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Coo? (Okosan not saying people should town read him or anything, but there's no reason to legit scum read him for actual reasons. PoE sure)

hey now, i don't even have you on my list. talk to the "golden townies" about your arguments, I just gave you what they thought of you. Though likely the scum read comes from when Nessos was in game.
I'm the biggest scum suspect atm.

 

[Okosan]

hey now, i don't even have you on my list. talk to the "golden townies" about your arguments, I just gave you what they thought of you. Though likely the scum read comes from when Nessos was in game.
I'm the biggest scum suspect atm.

Cooooo! (Okosan means he was addressing it to people who scum read him and you answered it, so Okosan assumed you did)