[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Michelle]

Final Vote Count day 2

Gambit – Stray Cat
Tedxter – Stray Cat > Waindo > Gambit
Stray Cat – Tedxter > Oreki > Dragomir > Shottie > Gambit
Oreki – Waindo > Trafalgar > Dragomir > Waindo > Gambit
Waindo – Tedxter > Dragomir > Gambit
Michelle – Waindo > Gambit
Dragomir – Oreki > Michelle
Trafalgar – Dragomir
Samael – Dragomir > *
Beky – Michelle
Shottie – Oreki
Okosan – Waindo
Rej – Waindo > Gambit

Total -

Gambit – 6 Ted, Cat, Oreki, Wai, Michelle, Rej
Michelle – 2 Beky, Drago
Waindo– 1 Okosan
Dragomir– 1 Law
Oreki– 1 Shottie
Stray Cat – 1 Gambit
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I doubt we have more than one scum in Gambit's wagon because I town read Oreki and i trust Cat's read on Wai, so I can see scum only in the off wagon players: Beky, Okosan, Shottie and Samael. This is not so super helpful but shows how Rej in a town bulding wagon momentum was blending in townies, and so we can judge from this his behaviour at the Eod 3.
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Oooh gotcha.
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You'd rather vote Oko over Samael?

GTH now yes.

I need still to read and think at wagons.
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and work break bbl

 

[Beky]

I'll be back home from work in about 20 min so chill

 

[Michelle]

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Beky said:
I so dislike using meta to read a player but Michelle once said she doesn't feel comfortable playing as scum

I don't like this argument.

For the idea of Beky to be scum with Rej this post shows that Rej is ruining his mate's narrative who already was town read by a vocal player and was pocketing me showing why am I villager by meta.
You don't put a hindrance in your mates posts so early in the game.

I think now that my read on Beky all game was correct and from the 4 players i mentioned in the previous post are now suspicious 3, Shottie, Samael and Okasan.

 

[Stray Cat]

For the idea of Beky to be scum with Rej this post shows that Rej is ruining his mate's narrative who already was town read by a vocal player and was pocketing me showing why am I villager by meta.
You don't put a hindrance in your mates posts so early in the game.

I think now that my read on Beky all game was correct and from the 4 players i mentioned in the previous post are now suspicious 3, Shottie, Samael and Okasan.

Given that new insight, what do you make of the coordinated Beky push from Samael and Hayumi?

 

[Beky]

I def feel like Sam is one of scums. I dont feel like Oreki is scum, michelle is town. Rest is uknown

GTH Oko or Hayumi

 

[Hayumi]

For the idea of Beky to be scum with Rej this post shows that Rej is ruining his mate's narrative who already was town read by a vocal player and was pocketing me showing why am I villager by meta.
You don't put a hindrance in your mates posts so early in the game.

I think now that my read on Beky all game was correct and from the 4 players i mentioned in the previous post are now suspicious 3, Shottie, Samael and Okosan.

this just gave me somewhat confidence that no matter who we vote between Oko, and Sam, that we will win, assuming i'm town, this should probably be the case for the rest of you as well. But I'm still a little hesitant and want to get rid of the more sure one between the two first. I can't explain Shottie's playstyle/meta this game, or why some of the things she did came across as scummy and the fact that she reacted super emotionally at the end, but as for me, I'm a whole new player.

 

[Stray Cat]

I def feel like Sam is one of scums. I dont feel like Oreki is scum, michelle is town. Rest is uknown

GTH Oko or Hayumi

I'm not unknown .

 

[Hayumi]

Given that new insight, what do you make of the coordinated Beky push from Samael and Hayumi?

Sorry to interrupt lol, but I don't feel like it was coordinated. Beky was already on your own and other's sus list when I first joined the game. Before Samael even got active this dp, I was pushing more for him instead of Beky, but his case on Beky made me consider the latter. But after everything that's been pointed out since then, he isn't a priority for me, thus my switch back to Sam and Oko bumped up my list to go next if Sam flips scum

 

[Michelle]

Given that new insight, what do you make of the coordinated Beky push from Samael and Hayumi?

He is pushing in my Poe so i can see why he would do it as villager.

 

[Stray Cat]

Sorry to interrupt lol, but I don't feel like it was coordinated. Beky was already on your own and other's sus list when I first joined the game. Before Samael even got active this dp, I was pushing more for him instead of Beky, but his case on Beky made me consider the latter. But after everything that's been pointed out since then, he isn't a priority for me, thus my switch back to Sam and Oko bumped up my list to go next if Sam flips scum

Well, if you're Town, then he was simply buddying you. I'm willing to give you the benefit of doubt because you're a new player, so there is that.

 

[Hayumi]

Well, if you're Town, then he was simply buddying you. I'm willing to give you the benefit of doubt because you're a new player, so there is that.

True, and again, it wouldn't be the first time he successfully used those type of tactics on me like I mentioned earlier, he's hellishly stubborn when he's scum and will keep trying to convince you anything other then the fact until the very end, I can definitely say that much. I like the posts Michelle brought up on Oko, but to me Sam for me is more closer to a definite scum, and someone that won't give us a mislynching, in my head anyways. But if the majority would rather Oko, I'm not super against it.

 

[Stray Cat]

True, and again, it wouldn't be the first time he successfully used those type of tactics on me like I mentioned earlier, he's hellishly stubborn when he's scum and will keep trying to convince you anything other then the fact until the very end, I can definitely say that much. I like the posts Michelle brought up on Oko, but to me Sam for me is more closer to a definite scum, and someone that won't give us a mislynching, in my head anyways. But if the majority would rather Oko, I'm not super against it.

Feel like either is fine, although I lean towards Sam.

 

[Michelle]

True, and again, it wouldn't be the first time he successfully used those type of tactics on me like I mentioned earlier, he's hellishly stubborn when he's scum and will keep trying to convince you anything other then the fact until the very end, I can definitely say that much. I like the posts Michelle brought up on Oko, but to me Sam for me is more closer to a definite scum, and someone that won't give us a mislynching, in my head anyways. But if the majority would rather Oko, I'm not super against it.

Can you explain better your scum read for Sam? Quotes would be useful.

 

[Okosan]

COOOO! (Lmao like Okosan said anyone thinking Okosan is scum is actually just insane. Let's look at Okosan's reads shall we. 1) Continued to push Deago as town even when people were saying he was scummy and wanted to lynch him. specifically went against the grain to do that too
2) Push Gambit as town when everyone else just ignored him. Also push Stray as town which is presumably true
3) Brought up Rej out of nowhere yesterday when no one was even really talking about him, and had that as Okosan's only real scum read at the time. Unless you think the scum team is exactly Okosan, samael, Rej you know easy it would've been for a scum Okosan to just random;y sheep the samael lynch going on? Or heck to, "change his mind", and lynch Drago instead with Rej?
4) In the post brought up the fact that Wai and Oreki are probably just town because of what Rej said. At the absolute least it's impossible that both are scum in Okosan's opinion)

Cooo! (But yeah no that's Okosan's scum play for ya. Helping town by giving town reads that are against the grain and pointing out slips that his partners made)

 

[Oreki]

I think Samael is the right choice here for reasons already explained. If he somehow flips town, Oko and Beky are most likely scum.

Its you who will flip scum if not samael... As you said stray cat half equation was wrong

 

[Stray Cat]

COOOO! (Lmao like Okosan said anyone thinking Okosan is scum is actually just insane. Let's look at Okosan's reads shall we. 1) Continued to push Deago as town even when people were saying he was scummy and wanted to lynch him. specifically went against the grain to do that too
2) Push Gambit as town when everyone else just ignored him. Also push Stray as town which is presumably true
3) Brought up Rej out of nowhere yesterday when no one was even really talking about him, and had that as Okosan's only real scum read at the time. Unless you think the scum team is exactly Okosan, samael, Rej you know easy it would've been for a scum Okosan to just random;y sheep the samael lynch going on? Or heck to, "change his mind", and lynch Drago instead with Rej?
4) In the post brought up the fact that Wai and Oreki are probably just town because of what Rej said. At the absolute least it's impossible that both are scum in Okosan's opinion)

Cooo! (But yeah no that's Okosan's scum play for ya. Helping town by giving town reads that are against the grain and pointing out slips that his partners made)

Why not? Scum plays can get really strategic. So I'd buy that.

 

[Oreki]

@Okosan I trust you. Who do you suspect

 

[Okosan]

Why not? Scum plays can get really strategic. So I'd buy that.

Cooo! (It's not even strategic though? It's actually just dumb. That means that Okosan pivoted the lynch to a not really talked about scum partner in Rej instead of just sheeping his vote somewhere and having a perfectly acceptable reason to do it. It makes literally no sense)

COO!! (Like let's imagine the world where Okosan is doing that and wants town cred. That A) means that both Okosan and Rej decided that it's better for Okosan to get the town cred and not Rej or our third partner. That means that Okosan is planning on carrying this game more than either of them. Which, just in case you haven't noticed, Okosan really isn't. In that scenario where we're alright bussing it makes infinitely more sense for Rej to bus Okosan, be more active in this game, and hopefully go to a solid final 5)

Cooooooo! (But yeah no Okosan wants to lynch his partner like that)
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Coo!!! (Actually now that Okosan thinks about it Okosan can't be with both Samael and Rej. Because that means that to distract from his partner Samael, Okosan busses his other partner Rej, all so Samael can probably get lynched today and then Okosan has to go to a final 3 where someone is very likely to turn off their brain and vote Okosan just because he hasn't been here as much)

 

[Stray Cat]

That's such an elaborate argument that it almost looks like it was made up.

Generally speaking if you were Town, who would your suspects be @Okosan ?

 

[Okosan]

@Okosan I trust you. Who do you suspect

Coo! (Right now? Probably Samael. But Okosan actually has plans to try to do a little bit of iso'ing at least to try to get reads on the people he has nothing on)

Cooooo! (Because Okosan's going to be honest the samael scum read is pretty bad. It's based a lot on the fact that Samael acted pretty similar where he rage voted himself in the last game where Okosan hosted it and Samael was scum)