Chapter Discussion One Piece 1002: Emperors vs The New Generation

[Nocvius]

One Piece Chapter 1002
Title: Emperors vs The New Generation​

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ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1002 QUICK SUMMARY
Kaido used his wind roar attack, but the supernovas handled it effortlessly. The supernovas then launched a series of attacks on Kaido.
BM struck down Killer with her lightning attack. Kaido almost ate him if not for Luffy interfering.
Kaido used boro breath on Luffy, but Zoro sliced the flames and immediately attacked with Enma.
BM warned Kaido about Enma not being an "average sword", so Kaido dodged Zoro's attack. Kaido "sensed" Oden from his sword.
Zoro then got hit by BM's lightning. Everyone else also struggled to deal with it, except Luffy because of his rubber body.
Kaido used his boro breath against Luffy, but Luffy tanked it and used a new attack "Kong Gatling".

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[Nessos]

LUFFY


Not much to say, only fighting...
Hope to see some great plottwists soon!

 

[Mr. Doflamingo]

great fight so far by the supernovas. Well fought.
Lmao hattori poor him

 

[Best Generation]

Interesting chapter, I still don't get how Kid can be so oppressive when he doesn't use any visible haki. Maybe that is part of his character, he has so much heart that he just uses more stamina for his attacks, making them bigger and bigger. He doesn't improve in any area but solely his brute force by his devil fruit. Hell, he might not have haki at all

 

[Emperor Cross]

Once* again my twitter is full of* Zoro fans T^T
Everybody talking about Kaido’s « dodging » but not a soul talking about how Zoro is panting after the attack or the fact that he get electrocuted

 

[Nocvius]

Once* again my twitter is full of* Zoro fans T^T
Everybody talking about Kaido’s « dodging » but not a soul talking about how Zoro is panting after the attack or the fact that he get electrocuted

The way I see Zoro right now is, he might have arguably the strongest firepower right now in the group.

But because he hasnt mastered Enma yet, it drains a lot of his stamina and haki.
Just like when Luffy pushed himself against Doffy in his Bounce Man mode.

I find it interesting that BM, of all people, recognized Enma as a threat. How?
And BM was pretty much chilling in the sky while watching everyone attacked Kaido. No one was attacking her at all. LOL

 

[Emperor Cross]

The way I see Zoro right now is, he might have arguably the strongest firepower right now in the group.

But because he hasnt mastered Enma yet, it drains a lot of his stamina and haki.
Just like when Luffy pushed himself against Doffy in his Bounce Man mode.

I find it interesting that BM, of all people, recognized Enma as a threat. How?
And BM was pretty much chilling in the sky while watching everyone attacked Kaido. No one was attacking her at all. LOL

I see Luffy as the strongest (AP and Durability wise) for now I want to say Zoro is second but Oda will make us see Kidd and Law in a new light.

I was surprised to see Killer doing the most damage in the chapter.

BM might be like Luffy (Animal instict)

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

Luffy is looking so pathetic right now, like honestly... Luffy vs Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri=future sight; Luffy vs Kaido, Udon, Big Mom=advanced armament haki, and he still has less attack power than Zoro.

Zoro, the guy who didn't struggle in new world whatsoever; the guy who didn't go all out even ones since time-skip; the guy who didn't fight even one YC is stronger than Luffy. Dude Luffy is so fu*king pathetic, jeez...

Zoro is literally and figuratively caring Luffy

Throughout Wano Oda has been portraying Zoro stronger than Luffy. Like come on man, how much do you like Zoro!? It's disgusting how much Oda is fanboying over Zoro and how ridiculously pathetic Luffy looks like right now. He wants to become PK but he can't defeat the Emperors and relies on Zoro's strength. Oh my gooood, dude stop. Luffy will never become the PK he will just steal the title from others. I feel like I've wasted all this time reading one piece.

 

[Tv-Crimes]

Great chapter but i expect the next one to switch from this fight and show how everyone else is doing.

 

[Srundenx]

Luffy is looking so pathetic right now, like honestly... Luffy vs Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri=future sight; Luffy vs Kaido, Udon, Big Mom=advanced armament haki, and he still has less attack power than Zoro.

Zoro, the guy who didn't struggle in new world whatsoever; the guy who didn't go all out even ones since time-skip; the guy who didn't fight even one YC is stronger than Luffy. Dude Luffy is so fu*king pathetic, jeez...

Zoro is literally and figuratively caring Luffy

Throughout Wano Oda has been portraying Zoro stronger than Luffy. Like come on man, how much do you like Zoro!? It's disgusting how much Oda is fanboying over Zoro and how ridiculously pathetic Luffy looks like right now. He wants to become PK but he can't defeat the Emperors and relies on Zoro's strength. Oh my gooood, dude stop. Luffy will never become the PK he will just steal the title from others. I feel like I've wasted all this time reading one piece.

Pretty much accurate....but this is what i think about that...

It's because of their characters, i mean personallity, Zoro is a serious person while Luffy rarely get serious, only at a times when its crucial...but Zoro, he's pretty much have a vice-captain aura from the very start, even though he's stupid sometimes, but he's wise and always composed when fighting any enemies (even fodder), he's born a fighter....

In terms of power, there is no doubt Luffy is stronger, of course if he 100% serious....what we saw here, why Zoro attacks seems more lethal than Luffy's, its because of their attacks type, slashing attacks always looks cooler, better and more lethal than punching attacks....

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

In terms of power, there is no doubt Luffy is stronger, of course if he 100% serious....what we saw here, why Zoro attacks seems more lethal than Luffy's, its because of their attacks type, slashing attacks always looks cooler, better and more lethal than punching attacks....

Does Luffy have the durability to take Zoro's Enma attack? The answer is no! If Kaido can't take that attack and needs to avoid it in order to continue fighting then Luffy doesn't have it ether. At this point Luffy doesn't have the durability to withstand even one Enma attack from Zoro when Zoro has the nesecery durability to take everything what Luffy's got in his arsenal. Yes, Luffy has FS so he might be able to avoid Zoro's (broken ass fuck) Enma but it doesn't change the simple fact that Luffy might (and I can't believe that I'm saying this ) get one-shoted by Zoro.

I mean of course it is very likely that Luffy will get another power up in this fight or in this arc in general, gear 5th or awakening that would elevate him to Zoro's level.

The problem with this power levels is that Luffy will never become PK he will just steal the title from others, which puts Luffy in the hall of fame of THE WORST MCs IN MANGA.

 

[Srundenx]

Does Luffy have the durability to take Zoro's Enma attack? The answer is no! If Kaido can't take that attack and needs to avoid it in order to continue fighting then Luffy doesn't have it ether. At this point Luffy doesn't have the durability to withstand even one Enma attack from Zoro when Zoro has the nesecery durability to take everything what Luffy's got in his arsenal. Yes, Luffy has FS so he might be able to avoid Zoro's (broken ass fuck) Enma but it doesn't change the simple fact that Luffy might (and I can't believe that I'm saying this ) get one-shoted by Zoro.

I mean of course it is very likely that Luffy will get another power up in this fight or in this arc in general, gear 5th or awakening that would elevate him to Zoro's level.

The problem with this power levels is that Luffy will never become PK he will just steal the title from others, which puts Luffy in the hall of fame of THE WORST MCs IN MANGA.

That's why i said that slashing attacks have more lethal damage than punching attacks (even usopp with broken headskull still can fight), but if your arm has been cut, it's over...

But...we don't know if Luffy use a King Kong Gun on Zoro's face, i doubt Zoro have durability to withstand that, i doubt Zoro can armor his body with Haki like what Doffla did, because up to now, of all the damage Zoro have been taken was a little slashing attacks, and if we look back at when he face Das Bones, it's a miracle or i could say Zoro should have been lost, with that much damage, loss of blood, he shouldn't be able to walk....but instead, he won with just one slash of his attack....then at Wano, he lost consciousness after taking a single stab from Killer....

All-round fighter like Luffy, always have this kind of battle capability range, High Damage, High Durability/Stamina, Amazing Fighting Skills (this include how he adapt to fight his enemy), and a Swordman or Samurai always have a Very High Damage, Amazing Fighting Skill of course, but only have a Moderate Durability/Stamina....that's how it should be....

 

[God_Usopun]

Kaido dodged ZKK so hard there. One more debt to Lilin. She saved his ass AGAIN.
This confirms that Zoro was indeed the strongest after the TS.
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That's why i said that slashing attacks have more lethal damage than punching attacks (even usopp with broken headskull still can fight), but if your arm has been cut, it's over...

But...we don't know if Luffy use a King Kong Gun on Zoro's face, i doubt Zoro have durability to withstand that, i doubt Zoro can armor his body with Haki like what Doffla did, because up to now, of all the damage Zoro have been taken was a little slashing attacks, and if we look back at when he face Das Bones, it's a miracle or i could say Zoro should have been lost, with that much damage, loss of blood, he shouldn't be able to walk....but instead, he won with just one slash of his attack....then at Wano, he lost consciousness after taking a single stab from Killer....

Man you missed TB and Skypea? Because Zoro can tank damage. The Killer thing is just weird. Oda been trying to old him back as much as he can

 

[Srundenx]

Kaido dodged ZKK so hard there. One more debt to Lilin. She saved his ass AGAIN.
This confirms that Zoro was indeed the strongest after the TS.
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Man you missed TB and Skypea? Because Zoro can tank damage. The Killer thing is just weird. Oda been trying to old him back as much as he can

What kind of attacks did Zoro tank in those two arcs bro ? Those shock from Luffy pain ? Oars random attacks when all the SH took the same ? or Enel lightning attacks ? Do you think he can tank King Kong Gun with only those proof of "tanking damage" ??

 

[God_Usopun]

What kind of attacks did Zoro tank in those two arcs bro ? Those shock from Luffy pain ? Oars random attacks when all the SH took the same ? or Enel lightning attacks ? Do you think he can tank King Kong Gun with only those proof of "tanking damage" ??

Man you mean that Zoro tanking oars then taking Luffy s pain or taking Enels lightning is not a proof enough? KKG just knocked out DD and he was already in a pitiful state. Don't see Zoro falling to that. Durability wise Zoro tanking more than Luffy.

 

[Srundenx]

Man you mean that Zoro tanking oars then taking Luffy s pain or taking Enels lightning is not a proof enough? KKG just knocked out DD and he was already in a pitiful state. Don't see Zoro falling to that. Durability wise Zoro tanking more than Luffy.

All crew members received the same damage from Oars, or Enel, and they're pretty much alive too, so that's not something to be proud of....then Kuma's shock, Zoro reduced to the state of almost die from that, while Luffy was pretty much alive, just sleeping after exhausted from the battle....

It's nothing compared to KKG, it was indeed Dofla had taken a lot of damage before, but you should understand how destructive it is, even just with its after-effect from Dofla's falling, Dresrossa got turned upside down like that...Zoro haven't tanking those kind of attack before, and he would be dead if he did....

 

[God_Usopun]

All crew members received the same damage from Oars, or Enel, and they're pretty much alive too, so that's not something to be proud of....then Kuma's shock, Zoro reduced to the state of almost die from that, while Luffy was pretty much alive, just sleeping after exhausted from the battle....

It's nothing compared to KKG, it was indeed Dofla had taken a lot of damage before, but you should understand how destructive it is, even just with its after-effect from Dofla's falling, Dresrossa got turned upside down like that...Zoro haven't tanking those kind of attack before, and he would be dead if he did....

I understand ur point but ursus got Oars Jr and not only did Zoro tank Oars like everyone but he took all of Luffys pain exhaustion from the shadow using Gears and damage from EL to TB and still managed to keep his consciousness he slept after that. KKG power is decent but it's not that OP. Current Zoro would be fine after that. Ok maybe fine is stretching it

 

[Shottie]

Throughout Wano Oda has been portraying Zoro stronger than Luffy. Like come on man, how much do you like Zoro!? It's disgusting how much Oda is fanboying over Zoro and how ridiculously pathetic Luffy looks like right now. He wants to become PK but he can't defeat the Emperors and relies on Zoro's strength. Oh my gooood, dude stop. Luffy will never become the PK he will just steal the title from others. I feel like I've wasted all this time reading one piece.

I was about to say the same thing as @Srundenx basically. Zoro is serious and beastmode at all times when in enemy territory (ie whiskey peak) but Luffy will not take it serious until he gets beat around a bit, and even then he tries to just bare minimum it with fodders.

 

[Nicolo Makaveli]

I was about to say the same thing as @Srundenx basically. Zoro is serious and beastmode at all times when in enemy territory (ie whiskey peak) but Luffy will not take it serious until he gets beat around a bit, and even then he tries to just bare minimum it with fodders.

Luffy is already as serious as he will get, so don't expect Luffy to become stronger just by changing his attitude, especially when his going all out against Kaido while Zoro still hasn't used his strongest move ASURA yet.

Emma's attack that Zoro used in this chapter is already stronger than KING KONG GUN, now imagine ASURA with Enma. I'm sure Luffy will get another power up (gear 5th maybe) but that power up will just elevate Luffy to Zoro's level but unlike Zoro Luffy will have new drawbacks from new gear.

When Zoro fans were saying that Zoro is stronger than Luffy and that he came out of time-skip stronger than Luffy I laughed at them, but look at it now... Oda has given in to Zoro fans, Zoro will probably continue to be at the very least as strong as Luffy and some times even stronger to help him defeat the Emperors because pathetic Luffy is only big at talks but doesn't have the strength to back his words up.

 

[Ghidorah Guy]

Zoro's ostensible lack of endurance in his battle with Killer will make more sense one Oda really starts unloading the next wave of surprising plot developments. To me, there's a discernable reason Zoro's been having such an easy go of it post-timeskip, contrasted w/ Sanji's perceived "subpar" track record thus far: gut tells me Oda's gearing up to make it a point that Zoro's lack of challenges and notably squeeky clean, injury-free status thus far --- compared w/ Zoro constantly being saddled with chronic lingering wounds pre-timeskip -- have led to a downgrade in his overall endurance; in effect, having become too strong in the short run may've actually weakened him in certain areas.

By comparison, Sanji may've been getting the short end of the stick in terms of receiving ass kickings and missing out on full out proper battles, but I'm expecting Oda to reveal his ordeals have helped toughen him up, to the extent he may now actually be creeping up on Zoro in terms of power.

I'll say this much: I think these two are fated to come to blows very soon following the events on Onigashima for certain plot reasons. And it'll be for keeps. Only in defiance of expectations, playing into what will soon become a long-term subversion of standard shonen tropes and other entrenched assumptions on the fandom's part, Oda just might surprise us by portraying Sanji to be on par if not possessing an edge against Zoro. Not that it's going to end well for either of them. In fact, I'm fully expecting a full on eye-for-an-eye encounter once things really start getting out of hand between these two.