[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 2 - Case Closed

[Bonnibel]

I can't be shot aslong I have a target that isn't shot. See it as a bullet proof towny with some conditions to it.

Yikes. Vote lynch Rej
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I know hypothetically, scum could've made this happen flawlessly by having a Mafia Cop invest Waindo N1, but it's not a very high chance.

Oh wait it's not even possible since we've only had one NP

 

[Nana]

I hope everyone post at least 3 times or they will be modblocked

 

[Okosan]

COO! COO? (Okosan legit can't understand how people can even think both Drago and Okosan are just open wolfing like this anyways. Think about the scenario yesterday when Okosan first started to defend him. Before Okosan started to go hard on the Drago is town train, he hadn't even mentioned a read on Drago. Actually why would Okosan all of sudden jump in when A) It's extremely likely there's a spy on either of us two thereby confirming him as scum in that scenario. And B) Okosan could instead just start wagoning on Drago for town cred in the future. You guys might not know since he hasn't played a lot with most of you guys, but Okosan is all about bussing. Look at his last game with Gambit where he voted for him at the beginning of the day and refused to move it no matter what)

 

[Bonnibel]

damn it @Udell proof reading mafia posts actually IS useful

 

[Naomi]

I can't be shot aslong I have a target that isn't shot. See it as a bullet proof towny with some conditions to it.

This role can be both ways for town/mafia?
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@Rej do you die if someone shoots your target?

 

[Dragomir]

It's not that simple. I thought maybe it's just Wai and Naomi being scum mates but Wai can't be scum since you Masons didn't deny that Okosan visited Udell. Now I'm not entirely sure how result tampering works on Trad, but for scum to take a shot at Waindo in the dark is very risky. First they needed to know that Waindo was an invest-type role and second they need to know what type of invest he was. I know hypothetically, scum could've made this happen flawlessly by having a Mafia Cop invest Waindo N1, but it's not a very high chance. Whenever I think of a situation that explains this madness between Naomi/Waindo/Oko, it results in "someone confirming that something happened/didn't happen" which conflicts with what another person is saying. @Dragomir how does result tampering exactly work?

also @Rej what's a Hider? I couldn't understand what the wiki was talking about

We don't know for sure if Oko visited Udell. He didn't target him but shit could have happened. Result tampering would basically be changing the sanity of the invest role or manually give them different results. But like you said, it requires scum to know Wai's role, which is an unlikely possibility. I'll just say this. Oko is town. Wai and Naomi are probably town. Can't really imagine both of them pulling this as mafia.

 

[Naomi]

Like those suicide character roles?
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@Rej

 

[Dragomir]

damn it @Udell proof reading mafia posts actually IS useful

Wait, what actually is proof reading?

 

[Okosan]

We don't know for sure if Oko visited Udell. He didn't target him but shit could have happened. Result tampering would basically be changing the sanity of the invest role or manually give them different results. But like you said, it requires scum to know Wai's role, which is an unlikely possibility. I'll just say this. Oko is town. Wai and Naomi are probably town. Can't really imagine both of them pulling this as mafia.

Coo! (On top of that Okosan doesn't see Wai as mafia killing Usopun who he was voting for yesterday)

 

[Dragomir]

This role can be both ways for town/mafia?
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@Rej do you die if someone shoots your target?

He does.

 

[Naomi]

He does.

Ouch, I hate those type of roles. I'v seen that type with town roles mostly.

So he raised on my town list now.

 

[Kibi]

COO! COO? (Okosan legit can't understand how people can even think both Drago and Okosan are just open wolfing like this anyways. Think about the scenario yesterday when Okosan first started to defend him. Before Okosan started to go hard on the Drago is town train, he hadn't even mentioned a read on Drago. Actually why would Okosan all of sudden jump in when A) It's extremely likely there's a spy on either of us two thereby confirming him as scum in that scenario. And B) Okosan could instead just start wagoning on Drago for town cred in the future. You guys might not know since he hasn't played a lot with most of you guys, but Okosan is all about bussing. Look at his last game with Gambit where he voted for him at the beginning of the day and refused to move it no matter what)

While I believe that's a very risky move for Mafia.
But Naomi being role blocked
and Wai results being tampered with N1 just seems like stretch to me...

 

[Bonnibel]

Wait, what actually is proof reading?

re-reading what you typed before you hit Post reply

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Is that all?

Ya I have to read from page 1 I haven't had the time yet.

 

[Naomi]

I don't want rej lynched if that the case, Suicide rolls like that are linked to other town member.

And people voting him are sus if they want to risk that.

 

[Okosan]

While I believe that's a very risky move for Mafia.
But Naomi being role blocked
and Wai results being tampered with N1 just seems like stretch to me...

Coo! Cooo! (It's not just risky. It's suicidal and dumb. Nobirdie was even really looking at Okosan before he hinted. There's absolutely no reason to out unless you think Drago is our best scum role by far compared to everyone else. That would be only reason Okosan could even see him considering doing that. The better option in all other circumstances would've been to just quietly bus Drago and set himself up well for the future.)

 

[Bonnibel]

I don't want rej lynched if that the case, Suicide rolls like that are linked to other town member.

And people voting him are sus if they want to risk that.

Nope. He's been suspicious since reading DP1 earlier and being a bulletproof townie. Too many red flags for one to ignore.

 

[Naomi]

Nope. He's been suspicious since reading DP1 earlier and being a bulletproof townie. Too many red flags for one to ignore.

He acted this way before in past game, and mafia used him as easy lynch next day. Because of the way he plays.

So your ok with killing other town, if indeed he telling the truth and ignoring the suicide role?


Since when do Mafia get linked to suicide? with there low numbers, that would be town who get paired with other town to die.

 

[Okosan]

He acted this way before in past game, and mafia used him as easy lynch next day. Because of the way he plays.

So your ok with killing other town, if indeed he telling the truth and ignoring the suicide role?


Since when do Mafia get linked to suicide? with there low numbers, that would be town who get paired with other town to die.

Coooooo? COO? (why is your default to assume he's telling the truth here?)

 

[Rej]

This role can be both ways for town/mafia?
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@Rej do you die if someone shoots your target?

yes I die when my target dies, last night I was hiding behind you

it can be both ways but it mostly used as town