[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Waindo]

Speak up @Rej

 

[Stray Cat]

Vote lynch Samael.

I've done some backreading. And found something exactly three players have in common this DP.


First Samael:

I proposed to stray and Ted we come together and find the right lynch rather than bump heads and keep fighting and getting rid of another.
I Trust and read those two the strongest in terms of good vibes.

that’s before, I’m reading over and starting to see that the two may not even agree with each other overall which is odd imo

Sam here implies Ted and me are the Towniest this game. So he wants us both to work with him. He was eager to lynch Beky or Shottie. Since he likes bussing as scum Shottie could very well be his buddy.

lol bro that was a paranoia read you are neutral until people or I myself change my mind sometimes you are townier sometimes less...paranoia. same as I have it with Stray.

The same scummyness as you have it

@tedxtr Stray proved to lose her cool this DP and after rehunching the current DP I rly feel she could be scum.

I am at page 122 (catching up at work).
Shotties read on Stray is something I agree on. It makes me think Shottie and Flower are counter aligned. One of them is scum. I like Shottie more.

@Okosan why Gambit was clear town? I suspect you of a TMI read there. But ill give you time to explain and keep on making cases.
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Will after I am home. Note me.

Rej is here buddying with Ted and Shottie. And supports her view of me being scum, yet backpedalled again when I pointed that out to him.

I will give you one additional tidbit.
You and Ted are having similar reads but you don't like that because he's taken lead.

Shottie here insinuates in a mocking way that Beky and Ted are just two Townies fighting each other. But just like me vs Gambit she does nothing to stop that. She also implies that Ted is somewhat of a Town leader. Guess what, Samael also said once that Beky vs Ted and Drago could just be three Townies with bad reads.


What all three of them have in common is that they try controlling Ted, buddy him and that they view him as somewhat of a Town leader. Thus all three players have a visible common strategy.

@Dragomir if you're Town you're hopefully seeing this.

 

[Dragomir]

Flower finally has made a good case on someone this phase

 

[Beky]

Dude I love Samael. The way he accidently enters new lines makes me laugh as I'm reading his post and imagining him saying it IRL

Samael = lock town tbh

@Beky @tedxtr @Stray Cat @Michelle @Rej @joby @Nessos @Samael @Gambit @Trafalgar Law

Please be receptive of my words.
Here are:
Dragomir's ISO: https://thrillerbark.com/search/74125/
Juliet's ISO: https://thrillerbark.com/search/74126/

Here is Drago's meta described by Stray Cat


Please show me Drago's comprehensive reads.

Please tell me how did he NOT come in strong and active in the game pushy, and then just started asking one liner questions "How does that make you feel?" that lead to nowhere. He admitted that he got no worthwhile conclusion from them.

"At least the ones that made a response", meaning not everyone made a response, meaning Dragomir didn't even push further to get a response. Why did he not push further to get a response if his objective is to get answers?

Because his objective isn't to get answers, it's to show to the audience that he's asking questions. Makes sense?

Please tell me how did he NOT take a backseat now after being pushy at the game start.

Look at this. JUST LOOK AT THIS. @tedxtr , if you especially can't see the scum here I'm disappointed and IDK what to say.

I mean just look at the post. I don't want to hold your hands guys.


As for Juliet, Oreki (who is town) said some stuff about her, IDK about her meta and stuff, but I knew she was scum when I saw this post:

It finally dawned to me that Juliet is here to make friends. Her thought process is: "If I defend these low-posting players (who I know are all town), I will make them feel good, I will make them feel as if they finally have justice, and that the meanies were bullying them. So this is good for me, right? If I portray the notion that "putting pressure on people is bad" then that means people will like me more, right?"

It's not this particular, it's her whole play as a whole, I just didn't bother reading it with much attention until I finally saw the pattern.

Cool?

I don't have any particular reason to scumread Poison-chan, it's just PoE. I've just had scum games where I was busy and I kept making excuses about inactivity, I guess.

Nessos is town because he is a solo agent NOT making friends and he's making enemies. What do scum gain from getting into arguments with people and clogging up the thread with melodrama?

Same reason why Gambit is town @Stray Cat.

Please @ everyone get over yourselves and stop pushing to lynch people that you feel aren't doing the correct thing they should be doing as villagers.

"You are lazy, you are illogical, you are hypocritical, you are unfair" - NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE SCUM TELLS. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE DONE BY SCUM MORE THAN TOWN.

Also please get over yourselves when people tell you that they feel as if you're slacking and being illogical. It's not a personal attack on you, it's just that those people are passionate about the game and they wanna win. Exercise having empathy and meeting people half-way and there will be no melodrama and stuff.

Cool?

Onadaga, Stray Cat, tedxtr
Gambit, Oreki, Nessos, Rej, Michelle
Samael, Beky
Trafalgar Law, joby
Poison Chan
Dragomir, Juliet

yea. lol.

dragomir juliet waindo.

not 100% sure juliet is scum but drago is scum thats all i kno. maybe my reads were trash but at least 1 was right and it was drago scum

 

[Shottie]

Does elaborate stress test to Shottie

 

[Shottie]

 

[Samael]

Can I get a update? These 1 or 4 to 10s wear you down and I apologize for missing a few things. I’ll go back to see if I can get up to speed but would appreciate a jump start

 

[Shottie]

But just like me vs Gambit she does nothing to stop that

Oh yea...

You've been chewing on Gambit for over 48 hours now....

I did

Honestly your interactions with Gambit are hiding him.
I picked up no reads from him because all his post were connected to your accusations and prodding. Anytime he had an original thought you buried it...

Nothing

it's close enough... others may see it that way.

To stop

Honestly at this point I think the tunnel on Gambit is so deep there's magma burning his feet

You going

Probably because you've been obsessed with Gambit and joby...

After Gambit....

Huh weird. Did I just quote a whole bunch of passive aggressive posts that insinuated that maybe you were tunneling on Gambit?

 

[Beky]

I checked Onadaga's posts and most of his reads fall on this

Wai - Juliet - Dragomir are scum
Everyone else obv town.

He was wrong about Juliet but right about Gambit.
He hard pushed for Drago lynch saying he won't play until Drago is lynched. After Onadagas death Drago became more cocky now that his main opponent is gone. Considering Onadaga died i wanna draw your attention to his overall level of towniness he had for others

Onadaga, Stray Cat, tedxtr
Gambit, Oreki, Nessos, Rej, Michelle
Samael, Beky
Trafalgar Law, joby
Poison Chan
Dragomir, Juliet

If Onadaga died he died for a reason. Those he had as scum felt threatened by his reads and thus he was killed. Now lets put a value. If first 2 rows of players hold a scum then they were ready to trade their place in Odanaga's grace to bail out Dragomir. Now that mad value to give up but it aint really that crazy to trade it IF there is someone who wants to take control of town and not share a place with Onadaga. And only 2 players who fall in that place are Stray and Ted. With Odanaga gone they can breath more openly and assume a leader role.

Considering neither Ted or Stray EVER bothered to check Onadaga's reads after his death or even try to deduce why he might die puts a very bad light on both. It feels so wasted, why waste reading the death of the player who held 2 of you in high town reads? Why not use his reads since obv if you truly are town he was right about you and could be very well right about others???

Obv you didn't wanna use his reads bcs either
A) You don't care about his reads
B) You chose not to

So to conclude - Odanaga was offed to Bail out Dragomir while also giving room to someone else to take over Onadaga's place. It could be Stray - Drago, Ted-Drago or even Ted-Stray-Drago

 

[Stray Cat]

Oh yeah? "Backing for Gambit" sure as hell sounds like a whole lot of you encouraging me to lynch him.

And who would you like that cap on? Drago and Wai have the highest amounts atm. But it looks like you might get some backing for Gambit.


Really? It's like you're only taking 1 bullet point of my reasons why. But I'll recap for ya, I know it's hard to read sometimes and remember.

Case against Wai:
-poison's post about not able to finish games as scum
-also poison's posts containing "I'm catching up" and only one post with her reads, which were completely flipped from what everyone else was seeing.
-subs in and immediately jumps on Juliet is scum when literally ONLY Oreki is on that thought process

Case against Oreki:
-using some meta, his posts lacked content all dp 1, which is how scum Oreki has played
- suddenly starts saying Juliet is scum read based on her read of Nessos
- having known in past Games Oreki likes to get juliet of the game 1st.
- pushes for juliet lynch and proceeds to beg creating a sudden lynch train on her.
-Juliet comes up town, his read was wrong but he has no doubts about his other reads

Case against Drago (not as confident about):
- flip flopping and contradicting his reads
- wasted most of Dp 2 doing his back read
reads
- "everyone thought I was town Dp 1"

Also, of course you stated I was tunneling him. Yet never made an attempt to save him. Ona did, Beky did, Drago did...they all told me that Gambit was Town and I need to get my game together. But you and Rej were clearly around and Rej was also on the wagons and you didn't try to stop the lynch when you could have and have yet to explain why you ignore the fact Rej was on the wagons.

 

[Waindo]

Vote lynch Samael.

I've done some backreading. And found something exactly three players have in common this DP.


First Samael:


Sam here implies Ted and me are the Towniest this game. So he wants us both to work with him. He was eager to lynch Beky or Shottie. Since he likes bussing as scum Shottie could very well be his buddy.


Rej is here buddying with Ted and Shottie. And supports her view of me being scum, yet backpedalled again when I pointed that out to him.

Shottie here insinuates in a mocking way that Beky and Ted are just two Townies fighting each other. But just like me vs Gambit she does nothing to stop that. She also implies that Ted is somewhat of a Town leader. Guess what, Samael also said once that Beky vs Ted and Drago could just be three Townies with bad reads.


What all three of them have in common is that they try controlling Ted, buddy him and that they view him as somewhat of a Town leader. Thus all three players have a visible common strategy.

@Dragomir if you're Town you're hopefully seeing this.

Beky/Drago/Shottie possible goon team?

 

[Stray Cat]

I checked Onadaga's posts and most of his reads fall on this

Wai - Juliet - Dragomir are scum
Everyone else obv town.

He was wrong about Juliet but right about Gambit.
He hard pushed for Drago lynch saying he won't play until Drago is lynched. After Onadagas death Drago became more cocky now that his main opponent is gone. Considering Onadaga died i wanna draw your attention to his overall level of towniness he had for others

Onadaga, Stray Cat, tedxtr
Gambit, Oreki, Nessos, Rej, Michelle
Samael, Beky
Trafalgar Law, joby
Poison Chan
Dragomir, Juliet

If Onadaga died he died for a reason. Those he had as scum felt threatened by his reads and thus he was killed. Now lets put a value. If first 2 rows of players hold a scum then they were ready to trade their place in Odanaga's grace to bail out Dragomir. Now that mad value to give up but it aint really that crazy to trade it IF there is someone who wants to take control of town and not share a place with Onadaga. And only 2 players who fall in that place are Stray and Ted. With Odanaga gone they can breath more openly and assume a leader role.

Considering neither Ted or Stray EVER bothered to check Onadaga's reads after his death or even try to deduce why he might die puts a very bad light on both. It feels so wasted, why waste reading the death of the player who held 2 of you in high town reads? Why not use his reads since obv if you truly are town he was right about you and could be very well right about others???

Obv you didn't wanna use his reads bcs either
A) You don't care about his reads
B) You chose not to

So to conclude - Odanaga was offed to Bail out Dragomir while also giving room to someone else to take over Onadaga's place. It could be Stray - Drago, Ted-Drago or even Ted-Stray-Drago

Or this was Samael's way of framing Dragomir which he likes to do, too, since Drago's play style causes problems for him.

 

[Waindo]

No wait, Shottie/Beky/Samael?


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Hard for me to read Samael from the start, I maybe played 1 game with him before, I have no knowledge about his meta.

 

[Beky]

Or this was Samael's way of framing Dragomir which he likes to do, too, since Drago's play style causes problems for him.

What does Samael have to do with Onadaga's reads?

 

[Stray Cat]

What does Samael have to do with Onadaga's reads?

Nothing. But Sam likes pushing Drago and by killing somebody who hard suspected Drago he can frame him. He also mentioned you three could just be three Townies with bad reads. You're just letting this slide?

 

[Beky]

Nothing. But Sam likes pushing Drago and by killing somebody who hard suspected Drago he can frame him. He also mentioned you three could just be three Townies with bad reads. You're just letting this slide?

I didn't even read last few hours of pages, i wanted to ISO Onadaga first

 

[Beky]

Does anyone have anything to add considering Onadaga's reads?

 

[Stray Cat]

I didn't even read last few hours of pages, i wanted to ISO Onadaga first

Just read the case I made on Shottie, Rej and Sam a page ago. I really can't make any more posts, so I stay quiet now until EoD.

 

[Samael]

You know I wouldn't have had to do that if some Townies just stopped playing so scummy, right?

You have to stop calling others play scummy because it goes against your idealistic town play man .
I see everyone willing to work together except you, every corner there is sus thrown everywhere on everyone and half the time it’s because they said or did something that you feel they shouldn’t.
Play style aren’t always going to match or be the same.

Samael's play reminds me whole lot of his last game on NF, so much that I'm having a dejavu.

This is cute. Just a few pages ago I repeatedly read the opposite? I was inactive damn near yesterday and while the time I was out working you managed to get this from probably 5 post I made before leaving out?

1. the buddying thing? I don’t give a fuck if you don’t like it. It’s how I get my reads/feels snd we’re not hitting shit.I’ll buddy with someone I see wants to solve the game or genuinely wishes to work with another before I keep digging at each other’s throat letting scum watch us take each other out.

He keeps pushing a player for a petty reason (Ted's backpedalling).

2. Ted has looked better since the start of the last phase. I’ve already touched on why I was willing to actually look objectively and see his logic on things. What you’re doing is using one game you’ve played with me and trying to paint a picture to other posters, which is bull and bad play. If you can show me a push due to backpedaling on Ted recently then I’ll concede if not then stop spreading false things about me.

He keeps buddying with me and Ted.

3. Again I have better feelings towards the two. How you play isn’t going to get us anywhere, I trust my gut more than any of you snd if it says or feels the two people who seem to Share the same logic as me aren’t so bad then boom. I’m taking my bets on us coming together and finding a common scum in our reads to lynch. Your issue is that the game revolves around stray. If you don’t like how someone does something because it isn’t how you’d do it. Their bad, you’ve done this with numerous people now, it’s why damn near everyone with a presence or just about as vocal as you has been seen as scum. It’s not buddying if I see the same thing other posters see, it’s called reading and comprehending.
Show me a post of me buddying you, literally I mean outright just agreeing. Without my own 2 cents that game strictly from me.

He keeps pushing for Drago who I read as scum. He does like bussing as scum. Also pushed for Drago last time, too, when they were on a team.

Using one game again. Sad. I’m rarely ever town but as town from those who taught me this is bad.

I do like bussing when necessary. I’ve bussed a teammate twice since playing mafia, that whole I like bussing when pressure applied to teammate thing is bs. Stop using others hearsay to get a read or look on me and use what you’re seeing for yourself.
Like what does me pushing Drago on a game In a different say have to do with the game here?

your entire post is used to make me look bad, there’s no logic simply because he did this and I wouldn’t do or just don’t like it he’s sus.
Here’s the facts.
A(you’re using a game from another sight to try and say I might possibly be doing the same here)
B(you’re using your first game with me to keep I’m assuming a meta read which I don’t have, I can switch up when I feel like it as everyone else do that’s a bad tunnel vision off rip)
C(you refuse to even consider that maybe I scum read Drago for my own reasons as listed and can be seen if your actually go back and read)

don’t make it seem like my pushes came because of your read on him. I was reading him alongside shottie as scum after a post shottie made that gave me some insight. I then had my own quote war with him
And came to my own conclusions. Just because you might share a read doesn’t mean someone’s copying or buddying it.
Faulty logic and you tried to paint me in a bad light, that’s scummy.

Also, he was distancing himself from all main wagons.

show a instance instead of making claims. You’ve already showed you’ll lie on me or try to paint me in a bad light without actually quotes or claims so
Let’s see it.

vote lynch stray cat

Reading that you not only threw me in a bad light but Drago repeatedly, that’s all I had to see. If your not scum I’ll take my fall but I can’t ignore numerous attempts to make someone look bad.

I’m reading you bad, this now makes me view Drago better. No way he’s scum with what you’re implying in that post unless you’re distancing hard.

 

[Shottie]

Yet never made an attempt to save him. Ona did, Beky did, Drago did...they all told me that Gambit was Town and I need to get my game together.

But did you believe them?
Did you listen to ALL those people who said you were wrong?
Noooooope
So what difference would me saying "hey Gambit is town" of made to you?
(Btw Joby said Gambit was town and said you were just trying to be scummy.... which is why you think I'm scum)

But you and Rej were clearly around and Rej was also on the wagons and you didn't try to stop the lynch when you could have and have yet to explain why you ignore the fact Rej was on the wagons.

Why do you ignore that Wai and Oreki were on those wagons too?
And no, I wasn't actually around for most of that last hour. Waking up at 6am tends to make me fall back to sleep randomly.