[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Waindo]

@Rej mah boi, get your ass off of the Summoners Rift and drag it over here, we'd like to poke you with some sticks if you dont mind.

 

[Stray Cat]

Probably because you've been obsessed with Gambit and joby...

I'm just thankful to her for the many shades.

Samael, Rej, Law, Okosan, Gambit...what are your reads on them?

 

[Oreki]

Something is wrong with this post. Are you a genius who able to tell someone is a town based on Nessos' suicidal(literally) post? You say this but do you really believe this? Out of 14 players(excluding Nessos) 5 suspected him to be scum and interrogated him... so are you telling me that the other 9 players are probably clean since you assumed most of the players have been after him. In my experience, both town and scum give the impression of not wanting to get lynch or they say what Nessos said, you can't really discern someone's alignment based on this.

You're not looking to good so far, in my book.

She's committing the sin of pride by actually thinking I am scum just because I am not playing as the town I used to play year ago which is an awful line of thinking. Something is wrong with her posts... she's able to tell Nessos is a town based on his suicidal post where he says about not mind getting lynch I think. I presume she wanted to get some town points from Nessos. The way she judges players, thinks they're town seems like she's a very wise player with good eye unless she knows they're town before even game started. Yet along the way, something is wrong with that, a player who could tell a certain player is scum and town with their one post has only been painting one player scum and ignoring others. And that was a major hint. A player like that could give more than you can ever could think of.. since they can discern someone's alignment with one post.

The odd one out would be if she's town who wants to catch scum then why her only focus is me? Why she's not trying to read or even question other players?

@Shottie it was my reason... what did you find awful and weak in that? If it was weak then why did even people followed that lynch?
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Also... night guys

 

[Dragomir]

I'm saying it wasn't a strong scum read for him. It lacked.
Tell me honestly: do you remember what he was saying about juliet without looking back?

It's fine that you think that. What I'm wondering is why does it matter that he didn't push for anybody else? It was evident that nobody else was his strongest scum read. I could easily do the same thing for you. Your case on Oreki is weak, and you're hard pushing him when there are several other options like Waindo and me."

The logic is faulty. And about your question, I think it had to with her using 1 yr old meta.

 

[Stray Cat]

I have the urge to lynch Shottie now. But I will go to bed now, so good night!

 

[Rej]

@Stray Cat @Dragomir @Trafalgar Law @Rej Guys do I have any personal history with Juliet that I am not aware of or do we have a type of gameplay where we both clash to each other in every game? Because I don't remember clashing with her much

I am still on the backtrack but I don't properly understand what you mean, I mean everyone might have their nemesis that makes them troubles, I am not aware of others conflicts, I only remember classic Oreki vs Gambit and Drago vs Shottie

 

[Dragomir]

Why have we not looked at Rej? Dude was also quick to jump on the Juliet wagon.

You did the same thing

 

[Oreki]

@Dragomir you still consider shottie town after all of her reasonings?

 

[Dragomir]

@Dragomir you still consider shottie town after all of her reasonings?

Yes. I disagree with her case but she is genuine, persistent, and overall appearing very much like town Shottie.

 

[Okosan]

I'm just thankful to her for the many shades.

Samael, Rej, Law, Okosan, Gambit...what are your reads on them?

Coooooo! (Okosan already posted his read on Gambit, hasn't changed since then. And honestly Okosan hasn't paid any attention to Joby. Can only read through so much when trying to catch up on everything so Okosan kind of just skipped her)

I'm also leaning TvT on Wai vs Ted now. Ted is tunneling now and Wai just not interested in responding to invalid accusations. That's how this feels like currently.
Add Beky to the Town reads as well.
Throw Oreki into the mix, too, while you're at that.


Town: Drago, Michelle, Stray Cat, Beky, Wai, Oreki, Ted.

Suspects: Gambit, Okosan, Law, Rej, Shottie, Samael.

Everyone of the Town list, give your opinions on the suspects, please.

COOO! (Also Okosan doesn't know if people just haven't brought them up yet or not but there's about a billion reasons to lynch Waindo)
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Coo! (It shouldn't just be "invalid accusations")

 

[Shottie]

@Shottie it was my reason... what did you find awful and weak in that? If it was weak then why did even people followed that lynch?
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Also... night guys

Oh look you had to bring your posts to remember what your case on Juliet was.
But it was your behavior during the EoD that I was getting most of my reads of you and where your juliet push felt weak.

I'll just get to the point myself. Juliet an experienced player doesn't have a single solid stance from the very start of the game, her reads are based on pre-game information such as meta, assumption that scum won't say that specific thing what I consider a false delusional certainty. Nothing of worth has proven to back her reads besides what I said above. Probably trying to get town credit, perhaps? At first look, it seems she has a very wise and a certain eye for towns unless she knew their identities before the game even started.
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Unvote

Vote Lynch Juliet

(Literally EVERYONE was playing with Meta FYI)

To be honest, if you guys so much desire to lynch a scum then just vote for Juliet, she's using a meta from one year ago to paint me scum.

Why don't you join me in Juliet lynch?

I swear if Waindo is scum Juliet can't be scum or Vice versa

Keep your votes on Juliet... don't change

 

[Shottie]

Coooooo! (Okosan already posted his read on Gambit, hasn't changed since then. And honestly Okosan hasn't paid any attention to Joby. Can only read through so much when trying to catch up on everything so Okosan kind of just skipped her)

Joby has been replaced with me.

 

[Shottie]

It's fine that you think that. What I'm wondering is why does it matter that he didn't push for anybody else? It was evident that nobody else was his strongest scum read. I could easily do the same thing for you. Your case on Oreki is weak, and you're hard pushing him when there are several other options like Waindo and me."

The logic is faulty. And about your question, I think it had to with her using 1 yr old meta.

Actually my other read was Wai and Ted has followed up in that one, and you my dear, were my other read, though not as confident, and people took up the case on that as well.
No one else was picking on the Oreki read so me following up on it myself seemed logical. And again, I used his meta of having fluff/non-content containing post as scum as a starting point on building my points against him. The rest of my case is based on Juliet being his sole target and she popped town. (Will note he thought nessos was scum too which was why he accused Juliet of being scum when she read him as town and yet he never got involved with the nessos pile and stayed with juliet)

 

[Stray Cat]

Coooooo! (Okosan already posted his read on Gambit, hasn't changed since then. And honestly Okosan hasn't paid any attention to Joby. Can only read through so much when trying to catch up on everything so Okosan kind of just skipped her)

COOO! (Also Okosan doesn't know if people just haven't brought them up yet or not but there's about a billion reasons to lynch Waindo)
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Coo! (It shouldn't just be "invalid accusations")

Actually wanted to go to sleep, but I still feel the need to address this before I do.
Yes, there are many reasons. But there were also many reasons to vote Juliet last DP. But just think if you were Wai and if you are Town, this would feel invalid to you. Would you give a damn about what other players think? Probably not. You'd always have in mind that you are Town and people are wrong, so you are relaxed. And you'd also accuse others who accuse you. Which is what he does with Ted. But Ted thinks the same way and that's why it goes in cycles. Which makes this seem like Town vs Town, players with the same mindset clashing.

 

[Oreki]

(Literally EVERYONE was playing with Meta FYI)

It's a funny story. You have read it in my post that meta wasn't the whole reason for me to consider the possibility of her being scum, even then if players using meta I am sure hell ain't nobody using the meta of you from one year ago when you were a fairly new player. It's no longer valid and completely false... you're probably looking down on the player if you think they can't change in the prior of one year. Not to mention how Juliet approaches these cases and how she was defending Nessos... it's not hard to interpret that as if player trying to get town creds since scum like to do that all the time.

Did I make the wrong call with Juliet? Yes. But hell I ain't regretting over I am actually pretty happy that I followed my scum lean all the way through. FYI if I consider someone scum it's only valid for me to tell others to vote for them... so you can post my those one-line posts all you want, nothing will change.

Also, I know you're wary of me, and you can't ignore the possibility that I'm scum for whatever mentality you have, and I know that you know that I can defend myself well, so even if I scream out if it came to it and pull a whole essay as to why I'm a town, you'd not be too willing to believe me. And you'd probably follow me in the worst-case scenario, so you'd have to deal with it.

 

[Shottie]

It's a funny story. You have read it in my post that meta wasn't the whole reason for me to consider the possibility of her being scum, even then if players using meta I am sure hell ain't nobody using the meta of you from one year ago when you were a fairly new player. It's no longer valid and completely false... you're probably looking down on the player if you think they can't change in the prior of one year. Not to mention how Juliet approaches these cases and how she was defending Nessos... it's not hard to interpret that as if player trying to get town creds since scum like to do that all the time.

It's entirely possible that your meta hasn't changed in over a year. Especially if you haven't been playing during that time and are out of practice. (Weren't people saying that this is your first game here? )
And no, I don't look down on players ever (regardless of progression or not. Just look at how I treat Drago and I've been raising him since his 1st game).

Did I make the wrong call with Juliet? Yes. But hell I ain't regretting over I am actually pretty happy that I followed my scum lean all the way through. FYI if I consider someone scum it's only valid for me to tell others to vote for them... so you can post my those one-line posts all you want, nothing will change.

Ah but your scum read was like missing the moon and landing on Mars wrong. And you're still trusting your previous scum reads as if knowing juliet flipped town after calling her your highest scum read didn't alter how you looked at anyone else.
If we lynched you and you popped town I would look again at Wai and Drago who are my other scums and see how it affected my reads on them.
Whereas you jumped right into wai this dp and then switched it up to me (Joby). Both of us were on your scum list last dp. You also have not been looking to hard into Mr. Pidgeon who replaced Nessos who you based your whole case against Juliet with.

Also, I know you're wary of me, and you can't ignore the possibility that I'm scum for whatever mentality you have, and I know that you know that I can defend myself well, so even if I scream out if it came to it and pull a whole essay as to why I'm a town, you'd not be too willing to believe me. And you'd probably follow me in the worst-case scenario, so you'd have to deal with it.

You're right, you're one of my top 2 scum reads and until that's been resolved you're staying on my list.
And what worse case scenario would that be? Dealing with everyone after your lynch? For being the one who started juliet you're getting off pretty light this dp so I'm guessing if I've made a mistake here I'll just come back with "whoops" like everyone else has been.

 

[Oreki]

Ah but your scum read was like missing the moon and landing on Mars wrong. And you're still trusting your previous scum reads as if knowing juliet flipped town after calling her your highest scum read didn't alter how you looked at anyone else.
If we lynched you and you popped town I would look again at Wai and Drago who are my other scums and see how it affected my reads on them.
Whereas you jumped right into wai this dp and then switched it up to me (Joby). Both of us were on your scum list last dp. You also have not been looking to hard into Mr. Pidgeon who replaced Nessos who you based your whole case against Juliet with.

Guess I'm not trusted at all, eh? But that doesn't mean I won't do anything! What will you gain if you gave your attention to multiple suspects? what's the point on focusing on more than one player at a time when if the result will just make you go all over the place? I have a creed, my focus only goes to my primary suspect If I have another read I will keep that to myself, because if one is right and the other is wrong then the wrong can be used for framing that player later. So, If I get my first read clear I will move it to my second read.

Regarding Nessos, I don't have much to say on that basis, honestly because I don't have much to talk about under my belt with him or his sub, anyways. You probably noticed that it was Juliet read on Nessos pinged me, Nessos has nothing to do with the matter at hand or even the reason I was scum reading Juliet.

Moreover, my read on Juliet was never bad. I had every reason to consider her scum and I stated them fairly. If I may say my reasons were a lot better than "You're not the Oreki I knew one year ago" or you lynched a townie, and so on. Those all are premature reasons and feel like coming from a new player rather than a veteran and player of your level. It doesn't make sense when my initial impression of Juliet was the most scummy player and then I just go around trying to focus on other players while leaving my strongest scum lean alone in peace.

Can you really leave your strongest scum lean without interrogating them or trying to see if you're right or not? Can you do that? No, you can't and your constant focus on me tells that, we're pretty same in that regard ain't we? So then how can you say you will be considered town if I flip town? Shouldn't the same argument used against you? Or double standards? Can you think of the reason I will go to this length to lynch Juliet just to be the mislynch of the next phase? No, I followed my reads all the way to end, shame I was not right and failed. But this will just give me new insight on players. I will just keep on improving.

Why would I start a Juliet lynch when the possible lynch were Onadaga or Nessos last phase? What do I gain from lynching Juliet at a moment like that If I were mafia? Absolutely nothing at all.

After all, you don't have to believe me, do you? Per to say the meaning behind your argument here Oreki is not deemed worthy of my town read even if he's a town, right? Or maybe Oreki can present me with, logical explanation but in my account will go on forevermore.

It's entirely possible that your meta hasn't changed in over a year. Especially if you haven't been playing during that time and are out of practice. (Weren't people saying that this is your first game here? )

They say that the world changes if you changed. That’s also a lie. It's deception. And you just confirmed that for me. Ultimately, you're contradicting me tyrannical judgment leads you to nowhere. Over the span of one year, person can change as a whole, once in a while, I have played mafia games on other forums, learn a new perspective, way to read people, how to engage in arguments and so on. I may not be a that good player but I'm not that player I used to be either... If I am right, you have a different perspective than my own on these matters. The idea of playing mafia is probably different for both of us.

From the perspective of a human, it's only fair to have a different take on same situation. That just what separates us as a different person.

 

[Shottie]

what's the point on focusing on more than one player at a time when if the result will just make you go all over the place?

Quite a few people are perusing several suspects, but it's not looking too chaotic.

Regarding Nessos, I don't have much to say on that basis, honestly because I don't have much to talk about under my belt with him or his sub, anyways. You probably noticed that it was Juliet read on Nessos pinged me, Nessos has nothing to do with the matter at hand or even the reason I was scum reading Juliet

And the reason why Juliet's read on Nessos pinged you was because it was contrary to your read and the popular opinion at the time. Yet Nessos had nothing to do with your reason for scum reading Juliet.

Those all are premature reasons and feel like coming from a new player rather than a veteran and player of your level

Tell me what level of a player I am according to you.
Because I believe myself to be the most gullible person to ever play mafia (and why I didn't want to be nominated for champ games). I mean I'm town reading Ted just because I really liked his wall of reads last dp.

Can you really leave your strongest scum lean without interrogating them or trying to see if you're right or not? Can you do that? No, you can't and your constant focus on me tells that, we're pretty same in that regard ain't we?

you're tied as my strongest read, but double teaming someone is just inconsiderate and does nothing but cause confusion, so I'm watching what my other scummies say in regards to their interrogations while I engage you.

So then how can you say you will be considered town if I flip town?

PLEASE quote me saying if you flip town I am town.
Because that's you putting words in my mouth ("post").

Why would I start a Juliet lynch when the possible lynch were Onadaga or Nessos last phase? What do I gain from lynching Juliet at a moment like that If I were mafia? Absolutely nothing at all.

WIFOM.

They say that the world changes if you changed. That’s also a lie. It's deception. And you just confirmed that for me. Ultimately, you're contradicting me tyrannical judgment leads you to nowhere. Over the span of one year, person can change as a whole, once in a while, I have played mafia games on other forums, learn a new perspective, way to read people, how to engage in arguments and so on. I may not be a that good player but I'm not that player I used to be either... If I am right, you have a different perspective than my own on these matters. The idea of playing mafia is probably different for both of us.

From the perspective of a human, it's only fair to have a different take on same situation. That just what separates us as a different person.

 

[Oreki]

PLEASE quote me saying if you flip town I am town.
Because that's you putting words in my mouth ("post").

So If I flip town you're not a town?

 

[novaselinenever]

Post Count -

Reminder - Each individual player may make a maximum of 150 posts* per day phase. This restriction is lifted 2 hours before the deadline, that is 12:55 p.m EST.

@Dragomir - 129
@Stray Cat - 108
@Trafalgar Law - 93
@Waindo - 91
@Oreki - 89
@tedxtr - 79
@Shottie - 57
@Beky - 48
@Michelle - 29
@Okosan - 19
@Samael - 16
@Rej - 9
@Gambit - 3

*Merged posts count as 1 until further notice.​