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To discredit my reads and frame me, obviously. Funny that I just tinfoiled that you're on the scum team and look who is pushing now :datea:.
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Vote lynch Ted.

The dude is scum.
Why would someone want to frame you instead of just take you out? Why not just frame someone that's near to being lynched?
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You do realise you've been the most universally town read person the entire game, also your reads were all over the place. Nobody could grok what your scum reads were as they were shifting at all times.

I don't know why you think someone would go off their way to just frame you when they could just as easily kill you.
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Also, how is killing Odanaga discrediting your reads? what
 
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To discredit my reads and frame me, obviously. Funny that I just tinfoiled that you're on the scum team and look who is pushing now :datea:.
The lost kitty now cooperates with birbies, first Nessie now Oko... I'm so disappointed commander. :(
 
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If Drago is scum, why does he pop up 30 minutes before EoD without placing a vote at all? That's just really unnecessary on his part. I feel as though he would just not pop up at EoD at all? What's the motive behind scum him making a horrible post, like "How many minutes until EoD"? I think the circumstances make it so that he's much more likely to be a villager popping in at EoD, if anything. I think the only scenario in which he actually plans to be there at EoD is if Gambit is scum, and that's it. Which I'm not really seeing at the moment? Anyways, I'm not saying that if Gambit flips scum, I'd instantly lock on Dragomir, but I'd put the slot under a lot more scrutiny for sure. I think he's still a villager.

As for Oreki, I know this is all bland and probably irrelevant for most of you, but I am meta reading him town. I'm hard vetoing his lynch until he somehow fucks up. Dude is relaxed as hell, this is a champs game, as scum he'd be pissing his pants, most likely. There's virtually no need for him to push a lynch on juliet when he knows she's flipping town when town already has me and Gambit lined up for a lynch (at least during those moment anyway), like, what would be the point? There's no credit to gain, actually, there's a lot more to lose. I think he's still villager.

For Trafalgar, I feel like his EoD is fairly nice, with a few exceptions w/r/t his ISO. I think his Odanaga vote kind of popped out of nowhere, it was too sudden maybe, for my liking, but I'm not sure whether that's indicative of scum!him in the slighest. Overall, I liked what he had to offer in general, I'm also liking his tone a lot. What I found to be a really good post if it was made by a wolf was his p#1021, because it speaks from an uninformed mentality. With that being said though, I struggle to really grok why he said that with regards to juliet specifically though? I mean, her flip would clear your doubts...how, exactly? I don't really remember you expressing any doubt on her, except for the post where you said "if Oreki and Juliet are town we should pay attention to their reads" and that's not really stating your concern with them. Come to think of it, with the context in mind, that post actually seems kind of performative. I'd like @Trafalgar Law to explain his thought process and what he was referring to in p#1021.

Anyways, if Trafalgar ever does flip scum, he's probably not with Waindo based on the sub out post.

Odanaga, the guy is town. I'm not arguing on it, I don't think his wolf game is that powerful, I'm not bothering with arguing it.

Stray Cat, ngl, her EoD seems awful in hindsight. TMIng of juliet flipping town when she was herself conflicted about her position as either town / scum on juliet. I don't like her performance at EoD, it looks like a scum carefully crafting the next lynches. This is not solidifying on Stray one way or the other, it's to remind myself to check her other posts in depth as well, some time.

Waindo, I feel like they are townie. Their cake in the pan joke to Beky made me want to zero in on them and never remove my vote. However, there's nothing that I really feel bad about yet? I think I'd place this one as the lowest in my town leans, maybe? Somewhere around that. I obviously need more from him, especially w/r/t reads. Realistically speaking, it's probably a null but if I just read tone alone, I'd put them in weak town lean. Someone should reach out to me and tell me whether Waindo can be read off of tone.

Joby/ shottie - I'd like to focus on this slot for a lot of time toDay. Hard null. I've reset all of my reads.

Non EoD reads :

I still feel like there's a high chance Gambit is town and the wool is being pulled over our eyes by scum. Reminder to check Gambit pushers. I still can't see his tunnel as coming from scum. Stepping into the mindset of a wolf, half of his posts would make me internally cringe and some things you just...don't say as scum. Also, Gambit is never w/w with Stray Cat based on p#131.

Looking back, I forgot what post I liked about stray cat that corroborated for her thought process being legit, so with that in mind and some EoD stuff, she's looking a tad bit worse.

Rej is loltownrej probably.

Beky is almost probably town as well. I think his reaction to me comes from town a lot more than scum.

So I guess the PoE is something like Shottie / Samael / stray cat / Okosan / Trafalgar

This is a PoE with people I find the least town / people I haven't gotten into yet but will do some time.
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To everyone that has meta with Stray, is this her typical town game?
 

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There are a few advantages I have this day period. First is I did not have to sit in the middle of all those early meta posts in the beginning of the day phase, it was all back reading. Next is I got to read all those posts in the beginning of the day phase with the knowledge Juliet flipped town with her lynch. Another is that when I subbed in and went afk, juliet was no where near getting lynched so I got a clearer view of what happened that lead up to her lynch. And finally, as my bonus advantage... I was kept alive to share my reads. :catlaugh:
 
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Why would someone want to frame you instead of just take you out? Why not just frame someone that's near to being lynched?
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You do realise you've been the most universally town read person the entire game, also your reads were all over the place. Nobody could grok what your scum reads were as they were shifting at all times.

I don't know why you think someone would go off their way to just frame you when they could just as easily kill you.
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Also, how is killing Odanaga discrediting your reads? what
I was vocal about him being scum.
And when you try to take somebody out you will look at their scum reads. Since scum oftenly decides to kill somebody who suspects them. But this only draws unnecessary attention. In a game like this scum works to get cred. Because they need to keep their numbers.


This leaves you with Ona's scum reads.

Were they correct? More than likely not.

So scum is probably somebody who was Town read by Ona.

Why? For extra Town cred. Because people oftenly don't suspect Town reads by killed players at first.


Who was Town read?
Nessos and Gambit.

Who was scum read by me?
Nessos and Gambit and Ona.

Who was killed?
Ona.

Who gets discredited now due to a wrong read?
Me.

Who is pushing me now?
You.

And the first person to bring that up is more than often scum.


Who was protected by you?
Nessos and Gambit. And vocally at that.

Conclusion:
You and at least one of Gambit and Nessos is scum.
 
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Vote : Stray Cat
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If Drago is scum, why does he pop up 30 minutes before EoD without placing a vote at all? That's just really unnecessary on his part. I feel as though he would just not pop up at EoD at all? What's the motive behind scum him making a horrible post, like "How many minutes until EoD"? I think the circumstances make it so that he's much more likely to be a villager popping in at EoD, if anything. I think the only scenario in which he actually plans to be there at EoD is if Gambit is scum, and that's it. Which I'm not really seeing at the moment? Anyways, I'm not saying that if Gambit flips scum, I'd instantly lock on Dragomir, but I'd put the slot under a lot more scrutiny for sure. I think he's still a villager.

As for Oreki, I know this is all bland and probably irrelevant for most of you, but I am meta reading him town. I'm hard vetoing his lynch until he somehow fucks up. Dude is relaxed as hell, this is a champs game, as scum he'd be pissing his pants, most likely. There's virtually no need for him to push a lynch on juliet when he knows she's flipping town when town already has me and Gambit lined up for a lynch (at least during those moment anyway), like, what would be the point? There's no credit to gain, actually, there's a lot more to lose. I think he's still villager.

For Trafalgar, I feel like his EoD is fairly nice, with a few exceptions w/r/t his ISO. I think his Odanaga vote kind of popped out of nowhere, it was too sudden maybe, for my liking, but I'm not sure whether that's indicative of scum!him in the slighest. Overall, I liked what he had to offer in general, I'm also liking his tone a lot. What I found to be a really good post if it was made by a wolf was his p#1021, because it speaks from an uninformed mentality. With that being said though, I struggle to really grok why he said that with regards to juliet specifically though? I mean, her flip would clear your doubts...how, exactly? I don't really remember you expressing any doubt on her, except for the post where you said "if Oreki and Juliet are town we should pay attention to their reads" and that's not really stating your concern with them. Come to think of it, with the context in mind, that post actually seems kind of performative. I'd like @Trafalgar Law to explain his thought process and what he was referring to in p#1021.

Anyways, if Trafalgar ever does flip scum, he's probably not with Waindo based on the sub out post.

Odanaga, the guy is town. I'm not arguing on it, I don't think his wolf game is that powerful, I'm not bothering with arguing it.

Stray Cat, ngl, her EoD seems awful in hindsight. TMIng of juliet flipping town when she was herself conflicted about her position as either town / scum on juliet. I don't like her performance at EoD, it looks like a scum carefully crafting the next lynches. This is not solidifying on Stray one way or the other, it's to remind myself to check her other posts in depth as well, some time.

Waindo, I feel like they are townie. Their cake in the pan joke to Beky made me want to zero in on them and never remove my vote. However, there's nothing that I really feel bad about yet? I think I'd place this one as the lowest in my town leans, maybe? Somewhere around that. I obviously need more from him, especially w/r/t reads. Realistically speaking, it's probably a null but if I just read tone alone, I'd put them in weak town lean. Someone should reach out to me and tell me whether Waindo can be read off of tone.

Joby/ shottie - I'd like to focus on this slot for a lot of time toDay. Hard null. I've reset all of my reads.

Non EoD reads :

I still feel like there's a high chance Gambit is town and the wool is being pulled over our eyes by scum. Reminder to check Gambit pushers. I still can't see his tunnel as coming from scum. Stepping into the mindset of a wolf, half of his posts would make me internally cringe and some things you just...don't say as scum. Also, Gambit is never w/w with Stray Cat based on p#131.

Looking back, I forgot what post I liked about stray cat that corroborated for her thought process being legit, so with that in mind and some EoD stuff, she's looking a tad bit worse.

Rej is loltownrej probably.

Beky is almost probably town as well. I think his reaction to me comes from town a lot more than scum.

So I guess the PoE is something like Shottie / Samael / stray cat / Okosan / Trafalgar

This is a PoE with people I find the least town / people I haven't gotten into yet but will do some time.
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To everyone that has meta with Stray, is this her typical town game?
How much in advance u had this post prepared?
 
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I will say this, if you're town, you're revolving the game around you way too much and it looks really bad for you. Townies will start piling up on you out of spite.

You're mistaking scummy for scum doing something.

I'm 100% sure scum don't ever make the attempt to discredit a single person in the game. Oda was killed because he was obviously town. If scum thought you're so powerful to the point where they need to discredit you, they'd just off you instead of doing that.

Never in my life would I have interpreted the Oda kill as an attempt to discredit you, or anyone for that matter.

You need to stop jumping at everything directed at you and assume it comes from scum. It's really hard to follow your thoughts and reads and it will 9/10 times make townies pile up on you out of spite.
 

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I noticed reading back some sus was on my predecessor regarding how she was treating Stray Cat.

I'll defend Joby's view on Stray Cat for a moment cus I know where she's coming from. Stray cat as scum is chaotic. She can cause a flip in a moment and she goes full troll mode if she's outted and will not back down until there is so much chaos you don't even know your own name anymore, let alone if scum actually pop up as guilty to invest roles...
(Just thinking about scum Stray I just confused a narwhal for a Manatee and I was holding the horn piece at the time...)
 
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Teddy, Teddy, Teddy.... Both you and Gambit jumped right on Stray's wagon right after I posted some nonsensical bs about her meta, I didn't even argument myself, and Gambo flashed right over to vote her when she gave her read of you, Oko and Gambo being a scum ménage à trois.

A bit hasty there don't you think?
 
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Just because I call Gambit town, it doesn't mean that I am buddies with him because you scum read him. You've also scum read Ona, and that turned out false.

Scum doesn't think in 6D chess, a kill on Oda can only be interpreted as an attempt to remove obvious towns out. Not everything is revolved around you, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way, but it's the truth. I'm a little straightforward, sorry if you take offence, but it's most likely true.

If scum thought you were a menace for them, they'd kill you, and that's it. They wouldn't subliminally embed into townies' minds the fact that Oda dying is made to specifically target you and get you lynched that way. It's extremely unlikely.
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Teddy, Teddy, Teddy.... Both you and Gambit jumped right on Stray's wagon right after I posted some nonsensical bs about her meta, I didn't even argument myself, and Gambo flashed right over to vote her when she gave her read of you, Oko and Gambo being a scum ménage à trois.

A bit hasty there don't you think?
I had the scum read prepared from way back, but to be honest, when I saw the NKA post I zero'd in. Maybe it's hasty, but that's how I get reactions.

I asked what your meta read on her is. Both trafalgar and you were kind of pushing her, you think she's scum?
 
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Wow, you got quite a defense prepared. Keep it coming, maybe anyone will buy that :datea: . You are panicking and that is obvious now.
 
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To discredit my reads and frame me, obviously. Funny that I just tinfoiled that you're on the scum team and look who is pushing now :datea:.
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Vote lynch Ted.

The dude is scum.
that would be counter productive though. You’re read as town my
Many including myself, it’s odd how they instead went for someone that many commented on being I guess “loose” or could flip any where. Framing you over killing you is much harder , so what you’re suggesting is just counter productive imo.

does anyone have Onadaga town reads? And those that were read as scum?
Vote stray cat
Reason being?
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This is why you're being wagonned, by the way.
you find no issue with that being a possibility?
 
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This is why you're being wagonned, by the way.
Also, another question: How do you know so much about my play style? You're playing with me for the first time. So how come you know that I'm taking on more of a leading role in games as you implied with "revolving around me"? Your defense seems to be well prepared for somebody who is new to my style.
 
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Just because I call Gambit town, it doesn't mean that I am buddies with him because you scum read him. You've also scum read Ona, and that turned out false.

Scum doesn't think in 6D chess, a kill on Oda can only be interpreted as an attempt to remove obvious towns out. Not everything is revolved around you, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way, but it's the truth. I'm a little straightforward, sorry if you take offence, but it's most likely true.

If scum thought you were a menace for them, they'd kill you, and that's it. They wouldn't subliminally embed into townies' minds the fact that Oda dying is made to specifically target you and get you lynched that way. It's extremely unlikely.
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I had the scum read prepared from way back, but to be honest, when I saw the NKA post I zero'd in. Maybe it's hasty, but that's how I get reactions.

I asked what your meta read on her is. Both trafalgar and you were kind of pushing her, you think she's scum?
Nope I think you are.

If she was, she would be all over the place right now, instead you're the one that's walking that line. You're way too fast and calculated and overinvolved to be a cautious townie.





Vote lynch tedxtr

Guys don't lose focus on his possible buddies, Gambo and Oko.
 
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that would be counter productive though. You’re read as town my
Many including myself, it’s odd how they instead went for someone that many commented on being I guess “loose” or could flip any where. Framing you over killing you is much harder , so what you’re suggesting is just counter productive imo.

does anyone have Onadaga town reads? And those that were read as scum?


Reason being?
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you find no issue with that being a possibility?
You guys did the same with Nataly in the last game on NF (my UN there is Flower btw). Not sure if it was the reason, but it pays off when the person who Town read you gets killed when you're scum.
 
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