[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Shottie]

I have more posts available left than I thought.

Y'all can't sleep on this.

Not sleeping on it. Just seeing how the rest of the dp goes. I have Wai as a scum read too.

 

[Michelle]

I try to not tunnel my scum reads.

You have presented fair impressions on my posts. However, ypu seem to ignore the valid things i mentioned.. Why?

I don't see them, maybe if you keep it shorter for me and reformulate your oppinion on the game you can make me follow your thoughts.
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lol the frst sentence was an answer at Drago's idea for why i didn't push for Gambit lynch at Eod

 

[tedxtr]

Pretty bold to throw shades at me at this point, I give you that.
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I'm not. But just like you are basing your point on Waindo knowing that I'm Town, you yourself are basing your case on knowing that I'm Town. Since without me being Town from both perspectives, yours and Wai's your point couldn't exist tbh. You guys seem like Townies to me that just share the same Town read.

I'm basing my point off Wai TMIng you town, because that's literally what he did.

A town that's paranoid off someone doesn't use them as bait lol

He made that in order to fill in the absolute logical leap that he took in order to scum read me at SoD after exposing him for having shifted his reads without a reason

and the man literally ignored me when I posted my posts

and he's going to do it again
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My point is not contingent on your alignment at all, it's based on Waido's thought process which literally makes no sense unless he knows you're town.

 

[Beky]

For Gambit the post count looks really bad. Going through the ISO though.


with this kind of posting style Gambit can very easy hide himself as scum and I have the proof he did this in our previous game while he was also universally town read. My impression is he is beating around the bush, avoiding to express direct suspicion on Cat here.

Just few in this game are familiar with Gambit's way of speech and certainly Ona couldn't be, as new player just registered, but Gambit is insinuating here that Ona doesn't know how to read people despite experience. Shade on a villager and self defense, looks like he avoids a real confrontation.

His interaction with Cat shows that he wants to present himself in the best light without risking anything.Pointing out Cat has inconsistencies in logic but not scum reading Cat he is loosing town's time and clogs the thread with an useless banter.

Buddying Ona, who flipped villager, to make himself looking good and to pocket him. He is way too interested to have a good image.

He did nothing to move the game forward, posting fluff and jokes, and finally pulling a wolf team with one flipped villager Juliet, one villa Michelle and a town read I have Dragomir.



this shenanigan with 'i die tonight' i've seend it too often from scum tbh

voting the toen read over the wolf team he posted.
How is this town behaviour?

I think Gambit is scum like 90% for me now.

Back to square 1

Unvote
Vote lynch: Gambit
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About Beky i have to read more, I expect him to come back itt and play this day for real. He is concentrating on Drago very much this day but I don't really see a view for the entire game from him



being the bolded I see a player who dislikes to share his ideas. Not quite helpful for town imo but not wolfy per se.

In the posts below he reaches a read on Oreki similar with mine but with other logic:




I need more from Beky, he leans town but like I said, idk his scum range so well.
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also bbl @ me and AMA

I generaly dislike when players give reads often. When i am scum i just love when someone drops reads every 5 pages bcs it allows me to adjust my playstyle to what they want. It enables me to deep wolf it to the end. Plus giving reads is a cheap way to get town cred. I can makw you a post right now and what of it? Nothing. Anyone can do it

I keep my reads close to me until right time. If scum doesnt know what i want they cant act on it. It gives me an advantage when otherwise it woild give them

I am well aware my way is scummy but hey. If i can catch people and do a trade 1 for 1 i am ol with it

And i was vocal on my scum reads
Ted - Drago

 

[Stray Cat]

I'm basing my point off Wai TMIng you town, because that's literally what he did.

A town that's paranoid off someone doesn't use them as bait lol

He made that in order to fill in the absolute logical leap that he took in order to scum read me at SoD after exposing him for having shifted his reads without a reason

and the man literally ignored me when I posted my posts

and he's going to do it again

Yeah, but the TMI goes both ways. When you can say Wai TMIs me Town, then you yourself are TMIng me Town. So I can see where you come from, but I can also see where Wai is coming from. So I don't see any of you being scum tbh. You just both read me Town.

 

[tedxtr]

Yeah, but the TMI goes both ways. When you can say Wai TMIs me Town, then you yourself are TMIng me Town. So I can see where you come from, but I can also see where Wai is coming from. So I don't see any of you being scum tbh. You just both read me Town.

Lol how can you see where he comes from?

He explicitly stated you are scum last day phase and I was town, and when we get into the day, he full 180s on the basis "He was baiting other players into scum reading stray"

A man who says he's going to scratch his dick on some windows or whatever he types is not capable of doing that.

He's done no hunting whatsoever. He's just memeing.
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Please explain how you understand Waindo's PoV

 

[Stray Cat]

Lol how can you see where he comes from?

He explicitly stated you are scum last day phase and I was town, and when we get into the day, he full 180s on the basis "He was baiting other players into scum reading stray"

A man who says he's going to scratch his dick on some windows or whatever he types is not capable of doing that.

He's done no hunting whatsoever. He's just memeing.
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Please explain how you understand Waindo's PoV

That's what he does every game. Guy is a legend.


Wai is the type of player you have to get used to. He has a very chaotic play style, yet as you can see, he is trying this game and getting serious, too.

The point is your argument was going in circles. Which is always a sign to me that this could be TvT. Seemed like Wai was accusing you, you were accusing him and nothing got accomplished from that except for some scum reading you and some scum reading Wai. And some reading this as neutral or me reading this as TvT.

If that was a TvW argument one side would appear more logical than the other, but I can kinda understand both of you. Wai might have Stray PTSD, but I doubt he was seriously reading me scum. He even said I felt Townie to him. Joby on the other hand gave me other vibes when she accused me of being scum. Like there was an agenda behind her posts and that was to paint me as scum and discredit what I said.

 

[tedxtr]

 

[Shottie]

Joby on the other hand gave me other vibes when she accused me of being scum. Like there was an agenda behind her posts and that was to paint me as scum and discredit what I said.

Alright Stray I'm here. What do you want to discuss? Joby has been gone for 80+ post for this role.
And I believe these are the post you would like to discuss with me.

Hey y'all lol had to catch up on 9 pages.

So, lots of early reads and exchanges of subtle info/personality cues--so regardless of alignment this is a really good start, because there is a lot of information being generated very early.

I'm getting strong towny vibes from @Onadaga (Hi!) and warmish(getting hotter) town vibes from @Beky since they both preemptively created an environment for people to feel comfortable to speculate and name names.
And scum can stick out because their speculation always has an agenda behind it, and this early on I don't think any townie has an agenda other than gathering info.
So Beky putting pressure on stray feels very townie to me--just the way he pressured her feels different from scum trying to make someone look bad.


This post set off a red flag for me. Its very TMI, and while Ona's GTH reads were basically happening naturally during conversation--stray's all seem to have an angle they are going for--something I'm being led towards but never taken quite all the way.
Bolded read on me obviously makes me feel bad--and I truly truly believe that Stray would sleep better at night if I got offed no matter my alignment. So I can't say either way how her read on me paints her this game, because stray's literally always trying to get me killed LOL
But the bolded in red of Onadaga is very very suspicious to me. Every part of it is accusatory when taken in isolation:
He's "Quick to judge"(as opposed to "fast reads" or how beky gets "trusts his meta reads" instead of "quick to judge")
"could be their experience"(negging)
..."but also TMI"(accusatory and basically saying "you should consider this person as a day one/two lynch")

Its hard tho because stray always comes out fists up and ready to rustle--no matter her alignment. I still think this is worth keeping an eye on.

i had to.

I will say that my gut intuition says stray going after my "too pure" entrance is opportunistic and shallow as fuck. bad kitty!

I've made this mistake with stray before. She's a very stubborn player (like me) and she is tenacious as fuck (the way she handled all the pressure y'all threw at her was nuts) It's a war of attrition with deep wolf Stray, she got that luffy stamina

I'm really not trying to come off as tunneling on stray, but what you just stated is what stray does best--especially as scum

please expand on what you are getting at with this

literally me every game and it always gets me killed RIP me

all I'm saying is don't write her off just yet--because there are no confused townies yet--we're all just talking. and bold confident players, like the way stray is playing this game so far, only start to crumble really once the information is rolling in. And this is where the stubborn townie starts to flail because we have already formed such strong opinions and theories that we refuse to see any other way--which gives you a confused townie looking like a scum.

I don't think that is what is happening here. Anyways, that's enough about that--like i said, not trying to tunnel--just want to contribute something

 

[Stray Cat]

Alright Stray I'm here. What do you want to discuss? Joby has been gone for 80+ post for this role.
And I believe these are the post you would like to discuss with me.

Exactly. Also her entrance. Any reason why she would do that? Can you think of something?

 

[Beky]

Here is what i got. I am on the phone so bear with me

Gambit - he is town. No scum would give up like he did knowing they can argue as much as the other person wants and waste so much time. He is a townie that got fed up with constant tunnel and just said FUCK IT. Gambit easily could have argued for hours and hours more and waste time but he didnt. Considering the train is on Drago he isnt really in danger of dying. He just got fed up

Wai - its Wai

Dragomir/Ted - ill do these two together. Both did 2 things i dont like.
1. Big pile of reads - I think that who ever gives big piles of text so often cant be anything but scum. I am a firm believer Small Words Big Meaning rather than Bit Words Small Meaning. Doing big piles of text screams - HEY, LOOK AT ME I AM WRITING A LOT. I am not saying that EVERYONE that does big piles of text is scum, i am saying if you do it often you most likely are bcs you wanna hide yourself behind it. Why do you need 2000 words for something you could have easily said in 200? Bcs you wanna hide behind it. Better talk a lot cause hey, every clock hits right time at least once.

2. Cherry picking - both are guilty of cherry picking. If you followed this game you cant miss just how cherry picking went on. For someone that says the ISO'd players you damn sure missed some important posts doing it? Cmon bruh thats so bad. You are legit only reading what the other person said. You HAD to read their post no way you miss it.

Thats why i think those 2 are scums. And my votes wont really change between those 2

Ill continue this on pc a bit latwr

 

[Shottie]

Exactly. Also her entrance. Any reason why she would do that? Can you think of something?

Well I wasn't given cliff notes and I've never played a game with Joby.
But knowing how you are when you are scum getting a reaction out of you is a great way to find out if you're scum or not.
Also those posts were from reading up to page 9 and page 10.
My reads of you from my back reading on those same range of pages were thus:

There's aggressive Stray cat- she later turns helpful, but also admits to start trying to get people to act more seriously. Waiting for when that turning point happens.

Stray cat mentions for a 3rd time she thinks scum is between Gambit and Joby (aka me)

 

[Shottie]

Now Joby never got a chance to see how the day progressed, and I was plopped in.
These were my thoughts about you after page 12 (or so)+

Now 4th time Stray mention Gambit/joby scum.

But 3 other people are agreeing with Gambit, joby, samuel scum read...

Oh and now here we get into the nessos/beky shit pile. Stray's part of it too. I'm starting to relax a bit about her...

Found where Stray gave Gambit a kick in the butt... hind sight not much of one.

There's the real flower getting off the Gambit scum bit and telling him to be productive. But she still scum reads him. Hmmm.

 

[tedxtr]

Here is what i got. I am on the phone so bear with me

Gambit - he is town. No scum would give up like he did knowing they can argue as much as the other person wants and waste so much time. He is a townie that got fed up with constant tunnel and just said FUCK IT. Gambit easily could have argued for hours and hours more and waste time but he didnt. Considering the train is on Drago he isnt really in danger of dying. He just got fed up

Wai - its Wai

Dragomir/Ted - ill do these two together. Both did 2 things i dont like.
1. Big pile of reads - I think that who ever gives big piles of text so often cant be anything but scum. I am a firm believer Small Words Big Meaning rather than Bit Words Small Meaning. Doing big piles of text screams - HEY, LOOK AT ME I AM WRITING A LOT. I am not saying that EVERYONE that does big piles of text is scum, i am saying if you do it often you most likely are bcs you wanna hide yourself behind it. Why do you need 2000 words for something you could have easily said in 200? Bcs you wanna hide behind it. Better talk a lot cause hey, every clock hits right time at least once.

2. Cherry picking - both are guilty of cherry picking. If you followed this game you cant miss just how cherry picking went on. For someone that says the ISO'd players you damn sure missed some important posts doing it? Cmon bruh thats so bad. You are legit only reading what the other person said. You HAD to read their post no way you miss it.

Thats why i think those 2 are scums. And my votes wont really change between those 2

Ill continue this on pc a bit latwr

 

[Stray Cat]

You know what?

Vote lynch Gambit.

Just going with my prime suspect now. He did nothing to disprove my points and even throws shades at me. Even if he was Town at this point it's just poor play and his lynch gives clarification.
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Another thing I love is how he constantly reflects back to me to make me look bad when I'm the one pointing out his flaws.

I state my first impressions of the players.
He becomes defensive over me just stating those.
Then starts a back and forth about him lecturing(?) me on my lacks of consistency without him actually pointing out where exactly that was even the case and basically beating around the bush that led to nowhere.
Yet he apparently reads me Town for reasons he failed to specify(?) and when Dragomir just asked him a question he went all defensive.
Then Michelle just asked him to expand on something he said which resulted in him getting defensive and aggressive yet again. And voting for her on top of that.
He also stated he will ignore what I say, but somehow feels threatened enough to still reply to my posts.
He's cherry picking something to throw shades, but doesn't consider the full picture.
And now he voted for me, his apparent Town read for no reason(?).

There is not even a bit of logic in his play and I hope I'm not the only one seeing that.

 

[Gambit]

Cherry picking? Guess who always do it.

Spoiler: Taran

Flower & a Michelle

 

[Okosan]

Vote lynch Waindo

 

[Stray Cat]

Cherry picking? Guess who always do it.

Spoiler: Taran

Flower & a Michelle

Funny, then tell me what about the Ona kill and then relation to you wasn't clear when I explained it in great detail here?

I was vocal about him being scum.
And when you try to take somebody out you will look at their scum reads. Since scum oftenly decides to kill somebody who suspects them. But this only draws unnecessary attention. In a game like this scum works to get cred. Because they need to keep their numbers.


This leaves you with Ona's scum reads.

Were they correct? More than likely not.

So scum is probably somebody who was Town read by Ona.

Why? For extra Town cred. Because people oftenly don't suspect Town reads by killed players at first.


Who was Town read?
Nessos and Gambit.

Who was scum read by me?
Nessos and Gambit and Ona.

Who was killed?
Ona.

Who gets discredited now due to a wrong read?
Me.

Who is pushing me now?
You.

And the first person to bring that up is more than often scum.


Who was protected by you?
Nessos and Gambit. And vocally at that.

Conclusion:
You and at least one of Gambit and Nessos is scum.

Seriously, you can just admit to being scum at this point.

 

[Waindo]

@Stray Cat @Beky @Trafalgar Law @Okosan @Waindo @Dragomir @Shottie @Michelle @Samael @Oreki @Rej @Gambit

Y'all can't sleep on this.

Waindo, explain buddy.

I'm busy scumxtr.

 

[Gambit]

yeah. seriously you can stop what the fuck you are doing.