Characters and Groups What is so special about G-5? Marine HQ=general security maintenance; G-5=security and maintenance of the NEW WORLD, combatting the yonkos.

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This follows from three pieces of corroborative evidence

(1) No plasma discharge

There is no electrical arc being generated from the attack onto BM like there clearly is against Vergo


which as you see there is a corona discharge enveloping around Vergo indicating that Lawis generating a greater electrical potential resulting from the greater electrical energy/output

the greater electrical current makes the air highly ionic and charged the creates the glow of plasma that we’re seeing in Vergo’s case but not in the other instances

BM does not feature this aspect of the attack yet it prompts her to scream at the top of her lungs in agony.


(2) The sfx is different in BM’s case

BM is different from all these cases in that she does not feature the same sfx. All but in BMs case the sfx is the same




In Doflamingo’s case his internal repairing ability renders the attack less effective. Law could not generate the same discharge of plasma presumably because he only had one arm at the time, and so his attack output was limited even though he had every bit of intent to maximise on the attack at that point.

(3) No exclamation marks

Even though BM was clearly in agony there were no exclamation marks in her panel

Conclusion

Big Mom endured an attack that’s less lethal than all of the above, let alone the one Vergo powered through without howling in pain. Vergo was pushing Law to maximise his attack, whereas Law at this point seems to have it figured out, is not stressing it in testing out the range and efficacy of his abilities. Second time around he uses countershock it will produce a much greater effect

There is simply a different make up of the body and mind that characterises Vergo. That much is becoming clearer for each chapter

I guess I understand how you came from one point to the other but its all based on something that doesn't really follow. You simply don't even see a panel after the attack on Big Mom. So why would you think that there was no "corona discharge" present? Clearly, Law is using a stronger attack against Big Mom than on Vergo, he used less stamina and has improved since then. And let's now even say that yes, there is no "corona discharge" present in the non-existent panel because Big Mom maybe can absorb lightning better? More discharge would be less able to deal with lightning, wouldn't it?
 
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I offered 3 points of evidence

what is there to suggest that? So if he has an island sized slash, you think it is going to be country sized now? Clearly Oda is not pushing for Law to get his hax stronger or it would mean he is pushing for contintal sized slashes or what you figure? He is haxxed enough as it is
Wano law is better than punk hazard one you saw him.

There is one thing oda does here is the supernovas strength increase in the island they move along with luffy. Current Law is way too powerful than one he fought against Vergo.
 
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I guess I understand how you came from one point to the other but its all based on something that doesn't really follow. You simply don't even see a panel after the attack on Big Mom. So why would you think that there was no "corona discharge" present? Clearly, Law is using a stronger attack against Big Mom than on Vergo, he used less stamina and has improved since then. And let's now even say that yes, there is no "corona discharge" present in the non-existent panel because Big Mom maybe can absorb lightning better? More discharge would be less able to deal with lightning, wouldn't it?
“More discharge would be less able to deal with lightning, wouldn't it?”

So if she absorbed the lightning with Zeus or by whatever means, it would then mean she took a lesser dose herself.

So in terms of raw tanking ability of this attack this puts Vergo >= BM. I’m not equating this to Vergo being able to take blunt damage or lacerations, sword cuts and physical damage etc as well as BM. This is an internal attack that damages the heart, as per the name of the attack and as per Law always holding his hands over the recipient’s heart when performing the attack. Vergo was shown to possess really good stamina, lung capacity with his blowgun, he is a strong guy and a tank.
 
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Why is G-5 so special that it is set aside from Marine HQ? Why is G-5 the only base in NW and yet not affiliated with HQ? I never quite understood why G-5 had to be set aside.




That was until I read chapter 1010 which holds the answers to this

(1) Vergo





Vergo is undoubtedly the man in the verse with the highest mastery of basic armament hardening, as this is a plant material he knocks Law out cold with lol. This is maddeningly good hype for Vergo when Law was likely not even using hardening to shield against Kaido's Thunder Bagua that's also CoC infused, meaning Law with just his basic guard while already injured at that tanked this attack.

(2) advCoC = no admirals

With the revelation of advCoC suggests to me that admirals can't fight yonkos who all have advCoC and therefore nullify devil fruit abilities of admirals (we saw this with Rayleigh vs Kizaru and we have numerous other indications in the story by now of this fact). No admiral is going to risk getting wasted against a yonko when they can't use their devil powers as they are simply too indispensable and important in their capacities and overly powerful when they actually can use their devil fruit powers. If a Celestial Dragons trips and falls on a banana peel and wants some bastard to pay for it, they can easily call upon their puppet admirals who are at their beck and call. Celestial Dragons can feel very comfortable with a magma or light powered person having their back as they can pose an enormous threat to virtally anyone besides capable advCOC users that deprive them of that advantage. Even if admirals are decent in stats, they can't hang with yonkos. They ain't risking anything because they are too important. No admiral is fighting yonkos period.

If AdvCoC can do that it makes all the more sense why you need capable commanders in their stead.



I had an interesting discussion with @playa4321 who introduced me to an idea that franky I had never considered so I'm glad I got some outside perspective. He introduced me to the idea that warships=navy units headed each by a seperate commander. Vergo is not any longer in G-5, so that would have made it 7 warships previously, or 7 commanders in total in G-5.

"Unit 1: Viceadmiral Smoker(strongest VA after Vergo)
Unit 6: Commadore Yarisugi

Which means we have not yet seen Unit 2-5 and judging by the fact that Yarisugi as commadore as last unit,it would mean the other units where at least headed by a navy soldier who was above commadore lvl.

Let's assume unit 5-4 were rear admirals, it could mean unit 2-3 could be headed by guys who were vice admirals. Overall it would mean Vergo was the leader of 6 warships and probably over 2 Viceadmirals. With means he had a big Position under the navy control. As example G-2 had only one Viceadmiral as Comil who was the leader.

Means a lot that G5 was a big base for the navy probably the most important base position in new world. Make sense why Doffy put Vergo into that position."
- Playa4321 quote

Likely all units will be headed by vice admirals in my (critical's) opinion save for unit 6 headed by a Commodore

So it never actully occured to me that G-5 is a HUGE base of operations, not necessarily in terms of manpower (300, though you can understand my avatar now can you, hehe), but in terms of having capable commanders, but even then the manpower is not at all inadequate by any means. As seen here the G-5 is putting up a good blockade against Zoro, Brook and Kinnemon which they can't breach.


This is not to be underestimated lol when Kinnemon could injure Kaido with his Homura saki alone; Brook likewise using his ice abilities to try to breach through here is unsuccessful, and Brook will likely mid diff a Tobi Roppi lol.

G-5 is simply very much capable enough of handling New World matters and it is the designated fighting force in the NW to combat the yonkos.

Keep in mind, Vergo personally requested to be transferred and did make quite an impression on Sengoku. This is one year in as a recruit, he is making an admiral (busy guy) hearing a bunch of rumours of this new recruit. I emphasise that Oda didnt need to make this scene, in fact it ruined the surprise later when Law ran into Vergo, imagine if we hadnt seen this scene we would experience more shock, but Oda wanted to show this scene for a reason, even if it meant spoiling the big surprise later on...


Guarding the hot gates with his 300

 
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Every force the marine possess is to combat pirates. G-5 is to fight particularly strong ones but they are rowdy, this don't seem like news. One thing bothered me though. Admirals are not afraid to fight yonko please stop making up bullshit to suit your narrative. Where is the proof for this? Rayleigh stopped Kizaru but that doesn't indicate he was afraid of rayleigh. If anything the admirals are only barely weaker than yonko and there is also no evidence suggesting admirals don't possess CoC. Garp was able to rival the PK for God's sake. Also during marine ford Akainu made the marines extremely blood thirsty while chasing down pirates he most certainly has CoC as well. Opponents will keep getting stronger, not weaker. You guys will look foolish when a more powerful version of Luffy struggles to fight an admiral.
 
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Every force the marine possess is to combat pirates. G-5 is to fight particularly strong ones but they are rowdy, this don't seem like news. One thing bothered me though. Admirals are not afraid to fight yonko please stop making up bullshit to suit your narrative. Where is the proof for this? Rayleigh stopped Kizaru but that doesn't indicate he was afraid of rayleigh. If anything the admirals are only barely weaker than yonko and there is also no evidence suggesting admirals don't possess CoC. Garp was able to rival the PK for God's sake. Also during marine ford Akainu made the marines extremely blood thirsty while chasing down pirates he most certainly has CoC as well. Opponents will keep getting stronger, not weaker. You guys will look foolish when a more powerful version of Luffy struggles to fight an admiral.
Kizaru constructed a sword with his powers we never see him fight with a sword again in MF. It would seem only reasonable to assume he can’t effectively use his light powers against an adCoC user. That’s why he couldn’t capture him and was resorted to swordsmanship when that is not his MO, not his preferred way of handling business. He was forced to go into this mode because of Rayleigh ahving adCoC.

It's clear from this confrontation admirals can't use their df powers against yonkos who all have adCoC, save for BB who has a blackhole power to continue on the same theme of adCoC nullifying devil fruits.

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Orochi: “I am not afraid of you (marines, celestials, WG) I have Kaido”;

No admirals in Kaido’s vision;

Akainu weary of Wano bc they don’t know their defences;

Roger not asking for admirals;

Kizaru venting his frustration on fodders bc of Rayleigh escaping him

It's clear the admirals can't fight yonkos bc they are forced to rely on their own devices, not use their df powers
 
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So want to show this to you @Best Generation

If Vergo broke Sanji with just brute force clashing with his ankle, it means Sanji is absolute fucking dogshit to Law and Zoro. In truth I like the idea of Vergo just being a brute powerhouse even with his kicks, but no, Sanji can't be lagging so tremendously far behind Law, that's cap We saw him being on virtually equal durability level to Zoro in Thriller Bark as arguably he took a lot more damage than Zoro in TB, yet he was in a worse condition afterwards. Even if Zoro were to be even quite a lot better than Sanji in durability, remember that this is Sanji's leg that was broken, the manga supports he was using armament in the block and Vergo clashed with his ankle, even did a nice leg maneoever of leg switching, if you can believe that. Is Vergo's ankle much much harder than Sanji's strongest shin point when Vergo himself is using no haki in the attack?

Sanji was using haki in the block. That's quite obvious he was, let's not kid ourselves. There is a cloud that is indicating Sanji is panting, meaning Sanji put in significant effort into the attack. He has a very concerned countenance here, to him Vergo is a big deal.


Sanji took Vergo much more seriously than he did King on whom we know he used haki (sounds of metals clashing, characteristic of haki clashes)




Just look at the clash, Vergo is using the weakest part of his leg and Sanji is checking with his strongest leg part where all the muscles and bones are at their strongest. In any real life scenario this would mean Vergo breaks and not Sanji like this
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But instead Sanji breaks yet we know he takes Vergo seriously enough to have an armament imbued shin here, Vergo we know isn¨t using haki because he uses visible hardening + there is no sfx to indicate clashing of haki.

the only way Vergo can break Sanji's strongest shin point bolstered by armament is with internal destruction which actually there is support for actually



Vergo was defeated by Law using hax. Law can even slice seastone because he slied s marine ship that are all laced with seastone underneath like you surely know. Law's slice ignores durability

Vergo was an armament hardening specialist but he seems to have some basic internal destruction power to boot which makes him one of the unique few in the verse
 
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Oh boy another Vergo fanboy over analyzing insignificant details. The feats in One Piece don't even make sense, the fact that you are trying to use real life logic here bothers me. To make this worse you over analyze this situation yet completely ignored the part where Sanji clearly stated his body is heavily damaged after he got it back from Nami. Facepalm.
 
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Kizaru constructed a sword with his powers we never see him fight with a sword again in MF. It would seem only reasonable to assume he can’t effectively use his light powers against an adCoC user. That’s why he couldn’t capture him and was resorted to swordsmanship when that is not his MO, not his preferred way of handling business. He was forced to go into this mode because of Rayleigh ahving adCoC.

It's clear from this confrontation admirals can't use their df powers against yonkos who all have adCoC, save for BB who has a blackhole power to continue on the same theme of adCoC nullifying devil fruits.

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Orochi: “I am not afraid of you (marines, celestials, WG) I have Kaido”;

No admirals in Kaido’s vision;

Akainu weary of Wano bc they don’t know their defences;

Roger not asking for admirals;

Kizaru venting his frustration on fodders bc of Rayleigh escaping him

It's clear the admirals can't fight yonkos bc they are forced to rely on their own devices, not use their df powers
Aye so your evidence is Kizaru fighting a swordsman with a sword? If anything it shows he is versatile. Aokiji did something similar.

It is not clear that admirals can't use their powers against CoC users. Dude stop for a moment and think. Luffy clearly stated "you can infuse things with CoC, can't you"? Kaido's response was that only a handful of powerful people can do it. Which means CoC generates more attack power it doesn't negates DF abilities nor does it prevent people from using abilities. Not even Big Mom and Kaido could stop Law from using his abilities they only protected themselves from its effects. The way haki was explain is that it allows you to hit their bodies but logia users can still use CoO to form holes in their bodies as a form of defense against this. We saw this in action at marine ford. You literally have no evidence to back up this ridiculous claim.


So Law can use his DF powers in the presence of yonko's but admirals can't? When will this yonko wanking end facepalm.
 
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Oh boy another Vergo fanboy over analyzing insignificant details. The feats in One Piece don't even make sense, the fact that you are trying to use real life logic here bothers me. To make this worse you over analyze this situation yet completely ignored the part where Sanji clearly stated his body is heavily damaged after he got it back from Nami. Facepalm.
Usopp was in the same explosion. That explosion is insignificant lol as someone on Usopp's durability level could handle it and go on fighting just fine without no bruises or nothing. Sanji>=Zoro in durability as we saw in TB I could argue Sanji is better in durability. He even didi DJ at 5,000m when he fought the Kraken and went out of the bubble, that's more pressure he experinces than from the explosion.

The explosion itself was just for plot reasons, and the thing where you say Sanji was weakened it was clarly meant for a gag relief as we see Usopp reacting in a funny way to Sanji's bravery you might say


At any rate, Sanji's leg durabiltiy is not impacted to any degree by the explosionn so it doesn't take away from Vergo's feat at all

But you might also consider that Zoro fought Kaido with broken bones now lol and look at all the accumulated damage he has taklen over the course of this war (Apoo sonic cut, Queen's bite, 2BM lightning attacks, blocking hakkai which caused damage to his body and still clashed with Kaido + now a partial hit of TB + just overall damage) If you think this hot air balloon sized explosion nerfed Sanji then, sorry you haven't really thought it through lol.

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Look at the size of this explosion lmao
 
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Not even Big Mom and Kaido could stop Law from using his abilities they only protected themselves from its effects.
technically they did, Law said he can't use his spatial abilties because their haki is to strong (he didn't say armament, he said overall haki which goes to say this includes their CoC)

if you make some type of construct through your DF, like a Gamma Knife or a Bari Bari no mi Barrier, it's a different case, the Haki user is dealing with the construct itself, instead of dealing with the "power" behind a DF technique, think of it as if Law use Takt to throw a giant boulder at you, you aren't dealing with "Takt" itself anymore, you are dealing with the boulder. Law used Gamma Knife, counter shock and Injection shot but can't use the cutting or teleportation abilities on yonkos bc of their adCoC
 
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