Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 969: The Idiot Lord

[Lemonade]

It's an asspull to keep Orochi alive and try to make sense how Kaido got a scar from Oden but Orochi lived to tell the tale

I'm just frustrated by the rather insane amount of plot armor Orochi has. He could've been cut down and killed years ago but nope. Zoro tried to kill him but got blocked. And he gets away in making people's lives worse and killing good characters...

 

[Gambit]

It's an asspull to keep Orochi alive and try to make sense how Kaido got a scar from Oden but Orochi lived to tell the tale

And I was thinking that bari bari no mi is an OP fruit that even Oden couldn't get pass through it

 

[Nessos]

I'm just frustrated by the rather insane amount of plot armor Orochi has. He could've been cut down and killed years ago but nope. Zoro tried to kill him but got blocked. And he gets away in making people's lives worse and killing good characters...

1st time can be called plot Armor, 2nd time not. Kyoshiro aka Denjirou protecting Orochi was actually a smart move.

The problem right now is not Orochi the problem is Kaidou. Killing Orochi without having an answer to how to deal with Kaidou could make things worse.

 

[Gambit]

Kyoshiro aka Denjirou

Is this for real?

 

[Nessos]

Is this for real?

I would call it "common headcanon".
I put my bets on Denjirou is using his position to play Robin Hood knowing that killing Orochi would make the situation worse if there is no answer for Kaidou.

That Kyoshiro is the Witching Hour Boy was hinted by Hiyori. She was shocked after hearing that Orochi manage to catch the Witching Hour Boy and together with Kyoshiro she tricked evil people end up stealing their money. This also fits with Kyoshiro protecting Hiyori acting like he killed her.

On top of that fits Denjirous behaviour in the bgstory with him end up being the Witching Hour Boy.

-> So I am quite sure Denjrou, Kyoshiro and Witching Hour Boy are one and the same.

 

[Ranger]

I mean not gonna lie I’m salty at this chapter. This deal needs more clarification. At first I thought the hag went around as Oden before he came back and tricked people into thinking he was a fool. But no, it seemed that it was actually Oden...

 

[Gambit]

I mean not gonna lie I’m salty at this chapter. This deal needs more clarification. At first I thought the hag went around as Oden before he came back and tricked people into thinking he was a fool. But no, it seemed that it was actually Oden...

That's what I was talking about back in spoiler. What was that deal about? And that's the reason I don't agree with others that this is the final chapter of the flashback

 

[Nessos]

I mean not gonna lie I’m salty at this chapter. This deal needs more clarification. At first I thought the hag went around as Oden before he came back and tricked people into thinking he was a fool. But no, it seemed that it was actually Oden...

Oden asked "Where is my ship? What bout Kaidou?"

-> obvious deal!

• Oden making a fool of himself -> people of Wano start to accept Orochi
• Therefore neither Orochi nor Kaidou will touch his family and friends
• And once the people fully accept Orochi as Shogun Orochi will give Oden a boat and Kaidou will leave the country

for 5 years Odens family and friends stayed untouched. Then Orochi came to Kuri making demands end up breaking the whole deal.
Why did Oden follow the deal? Oden don't care about how others think about him which was shown during flashback with Mountaingod accident or saving Hiyori. And he most likely thought Orochi only wanted to become the accepted ruler.

That's what I was talking about back in spoiler. What was that deal about? And that's the reason I don't agree with others that this is the final chapter of the flashback

With the obvious deal we also don't need a continuation of the flashback, because we know what will happen. Oden and the Scabbards loose with Oden end up getting executed in the public. Denjirou, Ashura, Dogstorm and Cat Viper trying to stop forces while the others try to save Odens family. Hiyori dies, Kawamatsu takes care of Hiyori and the rest get send to the future together with Momo. Dogstorm and Cat Viper return to Zou, Ashura, Denjirou and Kawamatsu keep staying in Wano.

 

[WingedClover]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Bari Bari and the Clone Clone fruit end up in the East Blue.

 

[Ranger]

Oden asked "Where is my ship? What bout Kaidou?"

-> obvious deal!

• Oden making a fool of himself -> people of Wano start to accept Orochi
• Therefore neither Orochi nor Kaidou will touch his family and friends
• And once the people fully accept Orochi as Shogun Orochi will give Oden a boat and Kaidou will leave the country

for 5 years Odens family and friends stayed untouched. Then Orochi came to Kuri making demands end up breaking the whole deal.
Why did Oden follow the deal? Oden don't care about how others think about him which was shown during flashback with Mountaingod accident or saving Hiyori. And he most likely thought Orochi only wanted to become the accepted ruler.


With the obvious deal we also don't need a continuation of the flashback, because we know what will happen. Oden and the Scabbards loose with Oden end up getting executed in the public. Denjirou, Ashura, Dogstorm and Cat Viper trying to stop forces while the others try to save Odens family. Hiyori dies, Kawamatsu takes care of Hiyori and the rest get send to the future together with Momo. Dogstorm and Cat Viper return to Zou, Ashura, Denjirou and Kawamatsu keep staying in Wano.

Hmm I do suppose Oden is pretty selfish so that makes sense. But there was that random hit with the poison arrow as well. So idk how that fits in.

 

[Nessos]

Hmm I do suppose Oden is pretty selfish so that makes sense. But there was that random hit with the poison arrow as well. So idk how that fits in.

The poison arrow was tool to shout down the people. Nothing more behind it.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Bari Bari and the Clone Clone fruit end up in the East Blue.

Bentham from EB?
Nevertheless we learned that Devil Fruits will reappear somewhere in the world after their previous owner dies.


I know CC found a way to somehow keep the Sara Sara no Mi, model Axolotl with the apples (its even possible that the SMILES are based on that Devil Fruits). And there also the BBP who found way to steal Devil Fruits by killing the owners. But these 2 examples doesn't represent the norm.

 

[Lemonade]

I'm really hoping Orochi dies this arc if not within Act 3. I hate that Oda keeps killing off good characters and imprisoning the villains.

 

[WingedClover]

The poison arrow was tool to shout down the people. Nothing more behind it.
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Bentham from EB?
Nevertheless we learned that Devil Fruits will reappear somewhere in the world after their previous owner dies.


I know CC found a way to somehow keep the Sara Sara no Mi, model Axolotl with the apples (its even possible that the SMILES are based on that Devil Fruits). And there also the BBP who found way to steal Devil Fruits by killing the owners. But these 2 examples doesn't represent the norm.

It said so on his Vivre Card Databook entry.

I always understood it as the fruit reincarnating in the nearest fruit. Like the soul of the devil fruit finds another fruit and takes over, but I could be wrong and you are probably right about that.

 

[Nessos]

I always understood it as the fruit reincarnating in the nearest fruit. Like the soul of the devil fruit finds another fruit and takes over, but I could be wrong and you are probably right about that.

That was the explanation we got in DR

And for it makes sense, otherwise it will become hard to explain how Bari Bari reached Bartolomeo.

 

[WingedClover]

That was the explanation we got in DR

And for it makes sense, otherwise it will become hard to explain how Bari Bari reached Bartolomeo.

I always figured Doffy brought a basket of fruit with him and then they changed during the war. But that makes sense too.

I just figured since a lot of Wano fruit and characters have some relationship to East Blue characters I just figured there was some form of departure

 

[Gambit]

I always figured Doffy brought a basket of fruit with him and then they changed during the war. But that makes sense too.

I just figured since a lot of Wano fruit and characters have some relationship to East Blue characters I just figured there was some form of departure

It is true but still wtf happened back in MF war?
Did they really harness it?

 

[WingedClover]

It is true but still wtf happened back in MF war?
Did they really harness it?

Well, either they reincarnate somewhere else in the world with other fruit on some random tree or bush...

Or

The devil fruits operate in a way similar to Brook's Soul Soul Fruit, so they basically seek out the nearest fruit of their type and just take over that fruit until someone eats it.

I'd really like to ask Oda what would happen if someone turned a DF into a smoothie

 

[Gambit]

Well, either they reincarnate somewhere else in the world with other fruit on some random tree or bush...

Or

The devil fruits operate in a way similar to Brook's Soul Soul Fruit, so they basically seek out the nearest fruit of their type and just take over that fruit until someone eats it.

I'd really like to ask Oda what would happen if someone turned a DF into a smoothie

The container will be the user just like the weapon

 

[Trafalgar Law]

After long time I've skipped any one piece chapter. I'm not motivated to read this chaper.
I was looking forward to see Oden Kaido's first interaction. Quite disappointed

 

[Magimasterkarp]

I bet the arrow that Lady Toki was hit with contained some kind of toxin/(nano-)virus from Queen that can be somehow remotely activated.
So orochi has her life in his hands.
Maybe that's why she stays behind in the end, because she is about to die.