Spoilers One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers

[Salah Eddine]

Yes Queen too is there, but both he & King aren't fully shown, only their silhouettes

Kaido claimed that he didn't want to fight 5 years ago because if Oden & Hyo allied + others who were willing to fight, it would have been a very difficult Fight for him because he was short in numbers

Yasuie is shown running towards Oden's Castle to protect Toki & the Kids

 

[Gambit]

InB4 there's another Kurozumi DF user.. Say predecessor of Vander Decken IX which says that their hands layed on Momo and would shoot him anytime should he retaliated.

 

[Salah Eddine]

This is just headcanon from a few fanboys who insist that "Kaidou and Shanks are from the same age" from Ace Novel A2 means the as "Kaidou is as old as Shanks".

It was mentioned that both Kaidou and Linlin are much stronger now.

But you can answer it for yourself. Does a Cabin Boy look like this

?

Honestly, that Panel doesn't mean Kaido wasn't an Apprentice because as u can see, Shiki who was very strong too & as old as WB still got an underwhelming figure in the Background

Anyway, Kaidou being Apprentice with Rocks Pirates is confirmed in Chapter 957 as Brannew himself said it when he showed Kaido's Bounty

 

[Lemonade]

InB4 there's another Kurozumi DF user.. Say predecessor of Vander Decken IX which says that their hands layed on Momo and would shoot him anytime should he retaliated.

That really makes me wish Orochi is the only surviving Kurozumi member and he dies this arc to finally put an end to Wano's toxic, poisonous, sociopathic, plaguing family

 

[Gambit]

I really hope in this chapter Oda will reveal these 4 silhouettes

Green and Yellow are King and Queen thats fine, but wanna know blue and red.
Especially blue because he looks like Jack, but I doubt it is 3 years old Jack xD

Definitely not Jack. But maybe Kaido implies that he lacked in Number with capital N.. What if those 2 part of his Numbers? We saw them arrived in Wano in the present time.

But you can answer it for yourself. Does a Cabin Boy look like this

?

A tough cabin boy, i guess?

 

[Nessos]

Honestly, that Panel doesn't mean Kaido wasn't an Apprentice because as u can see, Shiki who was very strong too & as old as WB still got an underwhelming figure in the Background

Anyway, Kaidou being Apprentice with Rocks Pirates is confirmed in Chapter 957 as Brannew himself said it when he showed Kaido's Bounty

The Silhouette of BM represents 30 years old BM, so we can expect how Kaidou looked like 38 years ago.

But you are right Brannew emntioned He was a pirate in training back then. So we can expect Teen Kaidou is as crazy as Teen Oden or Teen Vista^^

So back then Kaidou ~16 years, making ~54 years now

 

[Gambit]

Amd to follow that one up, if those 2 in silhouettes alongside King and Queen were part of the Numbers, maybe the original Jack, or 10 or 9... And assuming Jack was a mere toddler that time, maybe the name Jack represents your rank in his crew.. So we can speculate that someone had previously have that post..

 

[Salah Eddine]

Btw there was a Fire caused by the Battle and it wasn't extinguished until 5 Days later thanks to Heavy Rain
(Possibly King's Powers !!! especially since King's Panel is last one before the Fire was mentioned)

 

[Gambit]

Btw there was a Fire caused by the Battle and it wasn't extinguished until 5 Days later thanks to Heavy Rain
(Possibly King's Powers !!! especially since King's Panel is last one before the Fire was mentioned)

So his zoan's fire power has been that dangerous ever since? God, he is scary

 

[Saikō no Kenshi]

Wonder if we see Zoros father, uncle, relative. You that Ushimaru Shimotsuki - since he’s regarded as a Master Swordsman

 

[Lemonade]

Wait who hit Ashura from behind? Was it King? Does it mean if Zoro fights King, Ashura will take revenge and actually kill King from behind???

So if Oden struck Kaido in Dragon Form, does that mean Luffy and Kidd will end up damaging Kaido in Human or Hybrid Forms? Because Luffy had no problem beating up Dragon Kaido and forcing him to go Human Form.
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Distracted Oden and G4 Luffy both got defeated by Kaido's Thunder Bagua hit? That's a problem

But geez Oden got unfairly restricted 5 years ago when he could've easily expelled and killed Orochi and Kaido back then. I guess it's needed for story purposes...

 

[Nessos]

Wonder if we see Zoros father, uncle, relative. You that Ushimaru Shimotsuki - since he’s regarded as a Master Swordsman

I think we can say for sure that Ushimaru is neither Zoros father nor uncle.

Shimotsuki Kouzaburou left Wano over 50 years ago. And based on SBS we know that a ship from Wano reached EB decades ago.
Thats why I think (like many others) Kouzaburou was Koshiro dad, because Koshiro end up being the Leader of the Dojo in "Shimotsuki Village".

Since Zoro was never treated by Koshiro like a real relative, I doubt Zoro is a Shimotsuki. But since Zoro learned "Sunachi" from old geezers in his village Zoros BL might belong to Kuri. Maybe a descendant of one of the other families like Fuugetsu or Amazuki.

Or Kurozumi was not an original member of the great 6 (only one not called Moon) and Kurozumi took over Zoros clan centuries ago.

 

[Saikō no Kenshi]

I think we can say for sure that Ushimaru is neither Zoros father nor uncle.

Shimotsuki Kouzaburou left Wano over 50 years ago. And based on SBS we know that a ship from Wano reached EB decades ago.
Thats why I think (like many others) Kouzaburou was Koshiro dad, because Koshiro end up being the Leader of the Dojo in "Shimotsuki Village".

Since Zoro was never treated by Koshiro like a real relative, I doubt Zoro is a Shimotsuki. But since Zoro learned "Sunachi" from old geezers in his village Zoros BL might belong to Kuri. Maybe a descendant of one of the other families like Fuugetsu or Amazuki.

Or Kurozumi was not an original member of the great 6 (only one not called Moon) and Kurozumi took over Zoros clan centuries ago.

To be honest, common sense would say to me if someone’s appearance got striking resemblance to a certain character, then I’m 100 % sure the are related by blood.

Fair enough to say Ushimaru isn’t Zoros Father nor Uncle. But would you also say Ushimaru is 100% not a relative from Zoro?

I would like to hear your answer, because there similar facial structure and overall appearance is extremely striking. There is not a single Character in the whole One Piece Story that was shown to have such a similar and striking appearance like Zoro, it isn’t far fetched isn’t it.

In my common sense I have no doubt that Zoro and Ushimaru are related. In my opinion this can’t be coincidence that they look alike so much, it’s biology.

 

[Nessos]

I would like to hear your answer, because there similar facial structure and overall appearance is extremely striking. There is not a single Character in the whole One Piece Story that was shown to have such a similar and striking appearance like Zoro, it isn’t far fetched isn’t it.

Bellemere, Nojiko and Nami almost look the same. Are they related? No.
On top of that we only saw the silhouette of Ushimaru. Its possible that Yasu is actually Ushimarus brother. Does Zoro look like Yasui? No.

So far we only know about one member of Shimotsuki family leaving Wano, Kouzaburou. Do you agree with common theory that Kouzabourou is Koshiros dad? Then we are back at

Since Zoro was never treated by Koshiro like a real relative, I doubt Zoro is a Shimotsuki. But since Zoro learned "Sunachi" from old geezers in his village Zoros BL might belong to Kuri. Maybe a descendant of one of the other families like Fuugetsu or Amazuki.

 

[Gambit]

The royal princes and Shirahoshi don't resemble too. Why are they relatives???

 

[Saikō no Kenshi]

Bellemere, Nojiko and Nami almost look the same. Are they related? No.
On top of that we only saw the silhouette of Ushimaru. Its possible that Yasu is actually Ushimarus brother. Does Zoro look like Yasui? No.

So far we only know about one member of Shimotsuki family leaving Wano, Kouzaburou. Do you agree with common theory that Kouzabourou is Koshiros dad? Then we are back at

To be honest I don’t think that Nojiko, Nami and Bellmere look alike, they all have different hair color and it is a common thought in the One Piece Community that Oda draws Women very alike.

When you mean with Silhouette black shaded Shadow style then you are wrong. We saw Ushimaru at the Daimyo council where the Fake Sukiyaki said that Orochi will be the Truchsess till Oden comes back. There you could see very properly that Ushimaru looks like an older version of Zoro.

To answer your last question I have to say that I have to read the Theory about Kouzabouro first, before I can make a statement.
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The royal princes and Shirahoshi don't resemble too. Why are they relatives???

By Fishman and Merfolk it is a special trait that the look somehow different. Cause there are many different Fishspecies, There are Shark Fishman, Octupos Fishman etc etc.

Anyways I don’t say relatives have resemble each other. On the other site the statements that reaktives don’t resemble themselves is also not clear fact. Let’s agree to disagree.

 

[Nessos]

To answer your last question I have to say that I have to read the Theory about Kouzabouro first, before I can make a statement

These are facts:

• Decades ago a ship from Wano reached East Blue
• ~50 years ago Shimotsuki Kouzaburou left Wano illegally
• Koshiro is Leader of Dojo in Shimotsuki Village East Blue
• Kouzaburou is the blacksmith who crafted Enma and Wado Ichi Monji
• Wado Ichi Monji belonged to Koshiro

Theory Koshiro is the son of Koshiro is based on these facts.

 

[Saikō no Kenshi]

These are facts:

• Decades ago a ship from Wano reached East Blue
• ~50 years ago Shimotsuki Kouzaburou left Wano illegally
• Koshiro is Leader of Dojo in Shimotsuki Village East Blue
• Kouzaburou is the blacksmith who crafted Enma and Wado Ichi Monji
• Wado Ichi Monji belonged to Koshiro

Theory Koshiro is the son of Koshiro is based on these facts.

Fair enough, but how come we talk now about Koshiro and Kouzaburou, I never talked about them. I was talking about Ushimaru

 

[Nessos]

Fair enough, but how come we talk now about Koshiro and Kouzaburou, I never talked about them. I was talking about Ushimaru

Zoro is from Shimotsuki village and Zoros grandparents/parents most likely came together with Kouzaburou.

And as mentioned before

Since Zoro was never treated by Koshiro like a real relative, I doubt Zoro is a Shimotsuki.

 

[Saikō no Kenshi]

Zoro is from Shimotsuki village and Zoros grandparents/parents most likely came together with Kouzaburou.

And as mentioned before

You could be right. I’m not saying I’m right that Ushimaru is a relative from Zoro, I just believe he is, it’s a mere assumption and he could be his relative.

On the other side, you could be right as well since Kouzobaro leaved Wano with Zoro Parents/Grandparents could also be right, it makes sense.

Let facts beside, my guts feeling says to me Ushimaru is relative from Zoro and Zoro is a Shimotsuki.

We will see who was right, nevertheless this was a good discussion with you. Remembered my on the Old Days were I discussed a lot on OroJackson

Take care it’s time to sleep, it’s midnight in Germany so I have to sleep