[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 19: Baruk Khazad!

[Nessos]

Right now it seems to go for Cop + Tracker

This is a stupid combination!

Spoiler: Tags

1. @Gambit
2. @Mango Senpai
3. @Ekkologix
4. @A famous historian
5. @~UwU~
6. @T-Pein™
7. @Pepper
8. @Beky
9. @Nessos
10. @Fujitora
11. @Juliet
12. @Waindo
13. @Rej

It should be Cop + Watcher or Cop + Doctor.
We need someone able to protect the Cop in case Cop has to put himself.

Only Watcher or Doctor can protect Cop.

 

[Nessos]

Vote Watcher + Doctor

Cop + either of them is fine.

 

[~UwU~]

Tracker is inferior to Cop. Both Tracker and Cop go for scummy player Cop will get guilty on anyone Tracker will only get result in the one performing a kill.

Tracker has the ability to confirm people as being either Ninja or Town when they get No Movement result yet someone die

if Ninja is dead or confirmed to not be in the game by the other PRs flipping then Tracker will 100% clear people.

That's not a quality you should just dismiss.

 

[Nessos]

Tracker has the ability to confirm people as being either Ninja or Town when they get No Movement result yet someone die

if Ninja is dead or confirmed to not be in the game by the other PRs flipping then Tracker will 100% clear people.

That's not a quality you should just dismiss.

Only one of the 3 Mafia will perform the kill.
Cop get Info in all 3, Tracker only at the one performing Action.

 

[Nessos]

Tracker will 100% clear people.

No. Lets 2 Goons are alive.
Only one of them performs the kill, means Tracker can Hit a goon who doesn't perform the kill.

Cop get guilty on both


Cop >>> Tracker.

 

[~UwU~]

Only one of the 3 Mafia will perform the kill.
Cop get Info in all 3, Tracker only at the one performing Action.

Tracker picks a target and gets information in all cases, either in the form of "no movmement" or who they targeted.

In the case of a "No Movement" result, that player can only be Town or Ninja. No other alternative is possible.

Don't pretend that's not valuable information.
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No. Lets 2 Goons are alive.
Only one of them performs the kill, means Tracker can Hit a goon who doesn't perform the kill.

Cop get guilty on both


Cop >>> Tracker.

Right but the majority is Town, it's still information

If a Watcher targets someone and then that person doesn't get visited you gain no information.

 

[Nessos]

Tracker actually the weakest of the 3 Offensive roles.

Roleblocker gives the same info, but also stops the kill. Cop get also informations on scums that didn't perform actions.


Tracker only superior to roleblocker if Mafia picked strongarm.

 

[Nessos]

In the case of a "No Movement" result, that player can only be Town or Ninja. No other alternative is possible

Thats wrong.
A goon, GF or Strongarm that didn't perform the kill gives also no information.

 

[Nessos]

If a Watcher targets someone and then that person doesn't get visited you gain no information

Watcher is different cause Watcher is like doctor able to protect a potential outed Town PR.

Doctor and Watcher are there to protect Town PRs.
Roleblocker and Tracker to gibt the Mafia that performs the kill
Cop is there to hun any scum.

 

[~UwU~]

Tracker actually the weakest of the 3 Offensive roles.

Roleblocker gives the same info, but also stops the kill. Cop get also informations on scums that didn't perform actions.


Tracker only superior to roleblocker if Mafia picked strongarm.

It really depends on whether they picked Ninja or Strongarm

Actually in the case of GF being picked Blocker would be slightly superior since it would prevent a killer GF from doing the kill.

Meaning RB > Tracker in 2 of the 3 possible worlds

While Tracker > RB in 1 of them.

 

[Nessos]

Meaning RB > Tracker in 2 of the 3 possible worlds

While Tracker > RB in 1 of them.

Thats what I posted....
And Cop is strong cause Cop get also informations on scum that didn't perform action.

 

[~UwU~]

Watcher is different cause Watcher is like doctor able to protect a potential outed Town PR

Protect in the sense of telling us who killed them unless it was a Ninja. Ninja kills can only be prevented by RB and Doctor

 

[Nessos]

I would like to have Cop or Roleblocker combined with a Defensive Town PR. But I wouldn't Mix Roleblocker and Doctor.

 

[~UwU~]

Vote 1: Cop

Vote 2: Blocker

@ZFR

 

[Nessos]

Protect in the sense of telling us who killed them unless it was a Ninja. Ninja kills can only be prevented by RB and Doctor

Thats what I am saying all the time.
Best combinations are these 3

• Cop + Watcher (best Combo against Strongarm)
• Cop + Doctor (best Combo against Ninja)
• Roleblocker + Watcher (good alternative against GF)

Another option could be Doctor + Watcher as protect Town PRs. But I don't liker Cop + Tracker, Cop + Roleblock, Tracker + Roleblock with these 3 options we loose the oppurtunity to protect Town PRs, but we could be lucky catching scum fast.

 

[Nessos]

My top guess:
@Beky is Mafia and Mafia picked Ninja.

 

[~UwU~]

My top guess:
@Beky is Mafia and Mafia picked Ninja.

I'd honestly pick Ninja myself if I was Mafia, you can't really prevent Town from picking Cop and while a GF is a good option it's too passive for me.

 

[ZFR]

@ Everyone

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Vote Count

Cop 7: @A famous historian, @Gambit, @Mango Senpai, @Juliet, @Rej, @~UwU~, @Beky
Doctor 4: @A famous historian, @Pepper, @Mango Senpai, @Nessos
Tracker 3: @Pepper, @Juliet, @Beky
Blocker 3: @Gambit, @Rej, @~UwU~
Watcher 1: @Nessos

Spoiler: Votes

I move the motion that I get the dwarf goodies and that gambit gets the rope.
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I vote cop and doctor

Looks like.my vote will be cop and blocker.

Yes just discussing though I'll give you my vote now anyways
Vote Doctor and Tracker

Vote Cop + Doc

Vote Cop and Tracker

What do you guys think about cop and tracker? The more invests the better.

you guys forget that the blocker is a blocker, not a roleblocker, he isnt blocking the role, he is blocking the kill

this is nuts since he cant block the invest

I vote cop and blocker

the chances are low that they pick godfather and rather pick something more proactive

vote cop
vote blocker

Vote Cop and Tracker @ZFR

Vote 1 - Cop
Vote 2 - Tracker

If i am right and i believe i am 2 invests is best

Vote Watcher + Doctor

Cop + either of them is fine.

Vote 1: Cop

Vote 2: Blocker

@ZFR

Spoiler: Tags

1. @Gambit
2. @Mango Senpai
3. @Ekkologix
4. @A famous historian
5. @~UwU~
6. @T-Pein™
7. @Pepper
8. @Beky
9. @Nessos
10. @Fujitora
11. @Juliet
12. @Waindo
13. @Rej

 

[Rej]

By your own admission you think the chance of a Strongarm appearing is greater than 33%, yet you want a Blocker hmmm...

you got a point
wait the other two choices are ninja and strongman?
so mafia is participating here in voting and they can vote us some shit

I think Ninja sounds quite valuable too against the option of tracker and watcher, if mafia knows that double invest is a good and popular choice then a ninja is def the best choice mafia could have went for

actually watcher + blocker sounds more right, but in order to counter a possible ninja I'd say cop + blocker

I would never go doctor + blocker because the strongman would pierce us early
I also wouldn't go double invest but on the other hand tracker and watcher could detect another town pr

also the questions isnt if cop > tracker because the cop always has higher macro potential and the real question is whether tracker > watcher and I'd say no, because Watcher has a higher chance to obtain results with a night kill and another town PR you have easier time to stay on popular targets and find something

tracker is just meant to find PR's/action performers

the right choices here are cop + watcher or cop + blocker
cop + blocker for my taste is more versatile because the blocker will never be macrod unless they play bad

 

[Rej]

I'd honestly pick Ninja myself if I was Mafia, you can't really prevent Town from picking Cop and while a GF is a good option it's too passive for me.

yes my thoughts, I would pick ninja too just to mess with tracker and watcher, fuck getting copped by that point