[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[tedxtr]

It was between Oreki and him...
As I said , his last post was scummy and as a townie I felt like he was afraid Juliet's flip...
I felt he is scum and keep my vote on him... otherwise I would hove voted Oreki
1) He did not reply to my vote /quote
2) His last post was scummy for me.

So I freezed my vote on him
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He said he felt like juliet was a strong scum lean. What did you read as him TMIng juliet?

 

[Trafalgar Law]

He said he felt like juliet was a strong scum lean. What did you read as him TMIng juliet?

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Opps..

 

[Michelle]

Searching for a townie to scum paint is pretty accusatory wouldn't you say? Now tell me why you feel that. Don't come up with the "I know I'm town" nonsense.

Yes it is. You are either scum and your posts against me are normal because you need to push someone, or you are a town who has a preset mind on me, from these 2 I need to find the answer.
I won't come up with anything. I will continue my search for scum.
I will answer at your question related to Gambit first though

 

[Dragomir]

Let aside Poison posted 2 walls and reads where she misread me. That wasn't a reason for me to scum read her and i said this when Ona scum read her for activity.
The reason I scum read her is meta related too like my previous town read but it's something i've learned at MU to not mention so I won't.
Since I flipped my read on her I try to read Waindo's posts with open mind, searching for AI things, and nothing was like "this guy may be villager".

He choose a player to express a meta on, without completely reading the thread.
He was wrong but not this is the problem. He don't vote the wolf he "found", instead he votes Rej and unvotes him shortly after (in 2 mins). This is not a towny behaviour, when you suspect someone you don't play with your vote at random.


because some scum have difficulties in posting.

Vote plus defense. Lack of resposivity for his vote for his own top scum read.

A scum team out of nowhere put like he rng-ed the playerlist

Another random guess.

Not catching up but expressing full red team reads, ignoring interaction.

And i don't like how he treated Ted here.

From Waindo's posts i can't put him in town persons, and I find him independently scummy.

Vote lynch : Waindo

This read looks weak. So weak that it feels forced to be made but aside from that, where's the actual scum read? By this I mean where's the stuff that make Waindo scum and why? In here you seemed a lot more concerned on pinpointing why somethings didn't make him town but you failed to make the follow up as to why these things are wolf indicative.

This read lacks explanation, thus appearing weak. It comes off as forced because it just looks like you're trying to find a target to ours not really deduce the scum.

I have a specific question about the bold. Tell me Mich, is it an inherently scummy thing to come up with a scum team while not being fully caught up? You don't make reads on the spot?

 

[Dragomir]

Yes it is. You are either scum and your posts against me are normal because you need to push someone, or you are a town who has a preset mind on me, from these 2 I need to find the answer.
I won't come up with anything. I will continue my search for scum.
I will answer at your question related to Gambit first though

Preset mind? What does that mean?

 

[Trafalgar Law]

He said he felt like juliet was a strong scum lean. What did you read as him TMIng juliet?

JULIET is SCUM because she HAD that one POST where she SAID we shouldn't PUSH low POSTER because she FINDS that SUSPICIOUS.

I'll tell you what that IS. that IS juliet out here to make FRIENDS. in her mind, she is BEFRIENDING the low POSTERS and it's SOMETHING a lot of SCUM who aren't COMFORTABLE high POSTING do when they START to play MAFIA.

This was Jumpy.... because Juliet was talking about Oreki's scum list , players with no explanation (including inactives).

Until Drago is lynched I'm not playing.

Then voted for Juliet

Vote Juliet

stay on juliet please

Then this

not 100% sure juliet is scum but drago is scum thats all i kno. maybe my reads were trash but at least 1 was right and it was drago scum

Belive me if he was alive , I had solid case against him...i had solid reason to vote for him
But I think we can talk all DP about how dead townie was scummy....do you wanna continue ?
We should talk about this DP and alive players

 

[tedxtr]

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Opps..

How do you feel about Oreki now?

 

[Trafalgar Law]

How do you feel about Oreki now?

I've different view about Juliet's lynch...

1. I give meta on Juliet and Drago
2. Ona start arguments with them
3. Ona voted Juliet
4. Rej Voted Juliet
5. Stray voted Juliet
6. Oreki made case against her , voted her
7. Newly sub wai voted her

For me above 4 players r more sus than other , even tho some of them unvote her ..

 

[Stray Cat]

What weird vibes.

Do I really have to elaborate on why I think it's weird that two players are interacting the way you two did in such a game?

 

[Beky]

Do I really have to elaborate on why I think it's weird that two players are interacting the way you two did in such a game?

Yes.
Because saying something the way you did that holds no substance often means it was said just to be said or it was said with an agenda.
So yea i wonder why it was weird considering you had plenty of interactions like that this game and this is first time seeing it you react like that

So i wanna see why is so weird.

 

[tedxtr]

I think Michelle's got a good case on Waindo actually.

Vote : Waindo

 

[Shottie]

Ok, I did 12 hours of waiting... I gotta blow my load!

.... Michelle picked up quite a few similarities I had ;-; not the 1st.

So Poison Chan made this post:

btw i said i wouldn't want to use meta but still i'm doing this to make my point, @Beky I'm uncomfortable with randing scum too I was scum in like 3-4 games, and I dropped or subbed out in all of them except one early in the game and the only one i played, i played reallly passively, I am def not a passive player in general. but even then at the start of the day I'll be as comfy as anyone else. so I don't like your first read on mich , but you seemed okay later on.

And it just so happened that Poison subbed out same time I was subbing in for Joby.
So when I was back reading I paid closer attention to her posts, and her posts were literally all about "catching up" the whole time she was active.
Now we get to her sub Wai. And the last hour and a half of the dp. And my second strong scum read.

Jules is genuinely effusive and active. And that kind of meta of his is genuinely scaring me. I smell a 'wolf in sheeps skin' sitch here.

There is no way he had the time to even iso juliet and get a wolves clothing feel from her on an incident that happened in the very early part of the day period. So we get to his buddy buddy...

@Trafalgar Law Vote Juliet with me and we shall see the victory.

Now, this is a bit meta (I know shocking)
But Oreki as scum is the same as what Juliet had been saying while she was battling it out at EoD. Oreki is quiet all dp. Starts early with a scum read on juliet when she was not even blipping on anyone's radar.

Right now I think the scum is between

Joby
Poison
Gambit
Nessos
Juliet

My reads will change based how will game move

He then kinda just posts to make it look like he is contributing but if you really look at his posts they lack content and are just fluff. Which is his scum meta. The other part about going hard on Juliet is any time Oreki and Juliet are on opposite teams he ALWAYS tries to get rid of her 1st because Juliet always gets him pinned down.
Now I know Juliet was his target to take out, he knew she would flip town, he was literally begging everyone present to lynch juliet.

To be honest, if you guys so much desire to lynch a scum then just vote for Juliet, she's using a meta from one year ago to paint me scum.

Why don't you join me in Juliet lynch?

I swear if Waindo is scum Juliet can't be scum or Vice versa

Keep your votes on Juliet... don't change

No @Oreki your scum meta has not changed from a year ago. I still read ya as easily as I did in LotR.

 

[Stray Cat]

Here we go again... you disagreeing with MY opinions and trying to invalidate what I think.

Felt like Shottie accusing you of discrediting her points (she called it invalidating).

Isn't this you now disagreeing with MY opinions and trying to invalidate what I think?

Felt like you playing mind games with her and deflecting.

Nope

Short answer.

Idk how far you read but you'll see why i have a problem with ted

You somehow accept the answer?

I don't know if you read anything past where you quoted me since I clearly state I save the last 10 pages of my thoughts to give out later when more active people are about since it contains my strongest scum reads

Actually a good explanation.

Its 10am here i am getting there don't be so hard on me

Strange answer.


So yeah, how was that not a weird convo?

 

[Waindo]

True, I didn't have time to iso Jules. Most of my posts were to cause chaos and get reads from that chaos.

 

[Shottie]

Felt like Shottie accusing you of discrediting her points (she called it invalidating).

To be fair that was me bringing in mod life.

 

[Waindo]

I think Michelle's got a good case on Waindo actually.

Vote : Waindo

And I think that you couldn't wait for this moment after I saw trough your calculated gameplay.

 

[tedxtr]

Waindo, you had a paranoia read on Stray being scum. Explain how it just dissolved as soon as SoD started and instead you switched camps, voting for your town lean?

You actually thought her NKA was villagery?

 

[Shottie]

True, I didn't have time to iso Jules. Most of my posts were to cause chaos and get reads from that chaos.

The catch is there wasn't many leaning her way yet either.

 

[Shottie]

Also these were my thoughts last 10 pages of the day period:

Bingo! Muwahaha. Oreki pushing juliet lynch soft posting all day. Wai replaces poison and starts following with Oreki (I know for a fucking fact he didn't read half the dp I only got to page 12 after subbing in)

Rej jumped 1st followed by ted (wtf guys, even after saying more info would be gained with other wagons?) Then ona ted revoked and Stray popped in and out now wai who I'm scum reading, ted back on and there we go.... solid case for Drago/wai/oreki scums.

 

[Waindo]

My vote is staying for now, I'll be popping on and off. I have to finish planting cherry tomatos and start cooking lunch.