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So I'll start after the Oden flashback.

As the Scabbards stand at the coast Kyoshiro reveals himself. They all recognize him as Denjiro. He reveals that he released the 1000 samurai from the capital. But they have one problem and that is they don't have any ships.

The other 4000 start showing up but still no ships. But then the Straw Hats show up with the Sunny but it's not enough. Next Neko turns up with his ship but again it's not enough. So they decide that the ships will make several trips to Onigashima. But Jinbe shows up with Pedro and Gastino. Pedro survived the explosion due to having eaten the Snow Snow fruit. Jinbe summons the whales and all 5000 men travel to Onigashima.

They arrive at Kaidos mansion. But they see that the Beast Pirates and Big Mom pirates have allied.

They wait till midnight to attack. The minks transform. They ambush the party. Everyone splits up to fight.

The Scabbards and Momo go for Orochi but they are stopped by the Oniwabanshu and Mimawarigumi. Orochi sneaks away. The witching hour boy shows up. He is a ninja. He takes Momo and they secretly follow Orochi.

Then the sulong Minks start fighting the Numbers.
Neko and Ino confront Jack
Usopp, Chopper , Franky and Robin confront the 4 of the flying 6.
Jinbe takes on Smoothie.
Pedro, Gastino , Nami and Brook take on the remaining Big Mom Pirates.
Sanji takes on Queen , Zoro takes on King and Luffy takes on Kaido. The other supernovas take on Big Mom.

The scabbards beat Orochis forces. Neko and Inu beat Jack. The Minks beat the Numbers. The straw hats beat the flying six and Big mom pirates. Jinbe beats Smoothie. Sanji beats Queen. Zoro beats King but the Sandai kitetsu is broken. The witching hour boy gives Momo Odens sword and pulls out another sword and Momo thinks it looks familiar. They beat Orochi. The witching hour boy is revealed to be Hyori and the sword is her mother's.

Hitetsu gives Zoro the Nidai kitetsu and he goes to assist Luffy . Zoro cuts Kaido and Luffy gives him the finishing blow.

After the fights the straw hats make gastino heal all the people who have eaten faulty smile fruits.

The marines arrive and they arrest the beast pirates and the big mom pirates. While the straw hats leave.
Hyori and Pedro join the crew. ( Jinbe is already a member).

Obviously some of this sounds crazy but I'm just having fun.
 
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- Luffy's imprisoned again after the raid fails. Kaido takes a growing interest in the upstart and challenges him to keep coming @ him, bro. Luffy does so, but keeps getting beat down day after day. It's a callback to various things.

  1. Kaido's own string of past defeats. He sees a bit of himself in this stubborn, persistent idiot.
  2. Luffy recalls Cracker's words about facing a foe he can never defeat...but it's Luffy, so fuck it.
  3. Kaido repeats Oden's parting words to Luffy, entreating him to get stronger, be it in mockery or in earnest
  4. It's also echoes Ace's own repeated failed assaults on Whitebeard. Another Ace parallel. As an aside, it almost seems like Roger, Ace, and possibly even Katakuri are kinda sorta "proto-types" for the finished Messianic end-product that Luffy will ultimately turn out to be...
  5. Luffy putting his Ryuou training to the test ( and getting sent flying ) by Big Mom. It's gonna take several tries to master.
In way, Luffy's relationship w/ Kaido will play out like a more twisted version of Zoro and Mihawk's master/student dynamic, with Kaido basically "training" Luffy to become the instrument of his own demise. This too fate has decreed in order to prepare Luffy for what lays ahead.


- I've mentioned before that Luffy's next form may follow a buffalo motif that includes an afro and "horns"...reasons being:
  1. Watch Luffy devise this in part to help protect him from any further OHKO bonks to the head from Kaido's kanabo. Natural samurai helmet.
  2. May even be an unintentional development, with Luffy attempting to protect his noggin with aura haki, solidifying his hair in the process.
  3. Perhaps even takes inspiration from Chopper's own Guard Point ( Fur Armor ).
  4. Lo and behold, Luffy's hair forms a pair of horns, making him look sorta similar to Kaido...and Oars. Luffy is not just Son Wukong/Goku...he is also Gyu Mao/the Ox King. Two sides to the same coin, and all that implies in a narrative and literal sense.
  5. Luffy learns to channel Electro as well by means of his elastic afro.
  6. Usopp's claim of afros making one stronger proves legit
  7. Luffy gets in touch with his inner animal as Kaido takes him to the brink...only as mentioned, Luffy's totemistic spirit isn't just a rampaging ape, but a wild bull...or should I say Auroch, as in the giant extinct oxen, oft employed as a symbol of untamed nature? What is Luffy ( and some other of his fellow D's ) but a wild bull that charges straight ahead when faced with injustice, oppression, etc...
  8. Oda's tribute to Kinikuman fan-fave Buffalo Man.
And other things.

- Kaido apparently loves interesting challenges...and some have speculated that Luffy might end up challenging him to a Davy Back fight. Regardless of how Luffy vs. Kaido plays out, I'm pretty sure we're goin to to see at least one sumo battle taking place between either Luffy/Kaido or Kawamatsu/Queen ( should a DB fight occur ).

  1. Sumo wrestling has been an ubiquitous element throughout the arc, so don't be surprised if it pops up as yet another major plot device again.
  2. In fact, sumo's own mythological origins may actually tie into Wano's own hidden lore too. In short, it involves a confrontation between a giant divinity and an invading heavenly conqueror. Yes, this ties into the Oars clan and its connection to Wano.
  3. I have a feeling Oda will also find a way to weave the art of Sumo with Buddha ( Sengoku, Buddha palm shockwave attack ) and even the idea of exorcism as well ( see Kuma and his Christian leanings ). But then, even Sumo itself has its own spiritual elements, as I'm sure many are probably vaguely familiar with the ritual practice of tossing rice around before a Sumo match to exorcise bid juju and what not.
  4. And hey, recall when the seeds for aura haki ( if not haki in general ) were first planted? In the same arc where Luffy encountered Sentomarou, a character whose own roots derive from a classic Sumo-loving hero from Japanese folklore.

- Owing to Luffy's rapid development -- assuming we indeed see him facing off against Kaido repeatedly, and thus growing stronger because of it -- we're probably going to at least get one instance of Luffy Awakening his fruit.

  1. Ties into the whole wrestling theme nce again...only in this case puroresu/pro wrestling. Imagine Luffy launching himself off a rubbery surface much like a pro wrestler bouncing off the ring ropes. All the more fit consisting if Luffy does indeed gain a "Buffalo Man" form, complete with a lucha/wrestling mask motif composed of haki markings in conjunction with puffed-out afro/horns
  2. May happen here or after this arc, but I think it's but a given that Uroge will eventually appear...and Luffy will borrow and wield that huge pillar he carries around, stretching it out with his Awakened ability as a blatant reference to the Monkey King's mystical nyoibo/staff. And hey, guess where Wukong/Goku ound said weapon in Journey to the West? From the palace of an underwater dragon king, whom the Monkey King intimidated into submission. Needless to say, I foresee Kaido one day getting a taste of his medicine and getting CLOBBERED by Luffy and his own special weapon.
- There's gonna be a full moon in the capitol; Kyoshiro's in the capitol; "Dozing" Kyoshiro, who's most likely based off famous movie character "Sleepy Eyes of Death" Kyoshiro Nemuri, master of the Full Moon Cut sword technique; Minks are banking on a full moon to trigger Sulong transformations.

Yeah, I'm thinking we're gonna see some Werewolf action on Kyoshiro's part, only it'll be played off as Kyoshiro being possessed by or actually be an Inugami, ie a dog yokai/demon. Whether that entails Kyoshiro's got Mink ancestry, some kinda zoan devil fruit, or just happens to be a shape-shifting canine similar to Onimaru....we'll see.

- Aaaand he'll be wielding Shisui, handed off to him by Hiyori. If the raid fails, expect Kyoshiro to claim credit for staving it off whilst having "reclaimed" one of Wano's greatest national treasures, boosting his profile. Depending on how much trouble the Alliance makes for Kaido and Orochi's forces, watch Kyoshiro and Hiyori somehow use this to their advantage by convincing everyone the blame falls on Orochi's incompetence? And should Orochi happened to have done something to piss Kaido off by saying interfering in a fight same as a certain family member of his did in his battle w/ Oden....well, going by spoilers, we know what transpired soon after.

- On that note, Orochi will poetically enough find himself abandoned by all his allies, just as he intended to impress upon the Scabbards.

  1. As mentioned, Kyoshiro and Hiyori/Komuraski will stage a coup
  2. The Oniwabanshu will turn their backs on him just as they did on Oden, siding with the figure/faction that holds the most sway at this point in time, ie KYoshiro and Co.
  3. Worst all is a vote of no-confidence from Kaido himself, should Orochi happen to do anything to displease him same as Higurashi did
  4. And then of course there's CP0, who will probably help orchestrate Orochi's downfall in hopes he'll get replaced by someone easier to work with, like say a certain money exchanger...Who knows, Sword may have just unwittingly made their jobs easier for them and helped contribute to Orochi's fall be releasing Law ( assuming that is Drake who did so ).
- Shinobu's fear of sharp objects and her dramatic....aging actually point to her being either tortured and/or transformed in some way. Whatever the case, it may be somehow tied to Witching Hour Boy, whose character Oda may've not only obviously based on legendary thief Nezumi Kozo ( aka Rat Kid ) from Japanese lore, but possibly also an equally infamous curse associated with the Witching Hour itself ( hence the name change in the adaptation of said legend to the One Piece landscape ) - the Ushi no Toki Mairi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi_no_toki_mairi

Any big anime/manger junkie is probably already familiar with the basic gist of it; a voodoo-like curse involving a straw doll, nails, and a malicious practitioner wearing a ring of candles around the head. In this case, easy to see how Shinobu could've turned out to be the victim of such a curse.

Now, is that to say Witching Hour Boy is a villain? Was Shinobu captured and forced to squeal by Orochi's forces? I won't even begin to claim I have a fucking clue about who did what. I'm only saying it's likely there's some connection there between Shinobu and Witching Hour Boy that probably involves the elements of jealousy and voodoo dolls lol. Could be something as absurd as WHBoy actually being a girl who's envious of Raizo's hypothetical infatuation w/ Shinobu from days back or something, having "cursed" Shinobu by turning her into some kinda living voodoo doll with some devil fruit ability or something haha. Who knows.

- The expression often goes that it's always darkest before the dawn. Both in the short and long term, it follows that things were likewise always fated to get worse in Wano. As you've probably noted if you're reading any of my ramblings, I firmly believe Luffy and Co. are going to experience true hell before the morning light shines upon them once more. Hardship precedes victory and joy is inextricably tied to sorrow...it's the basis of many an epic story ( winkwinkIT'S ONE PIECE ).

What Luffy suffered at Udon was but a taste of the real challenges that lie ahead. And no, I'm not just talking about a series of beatdowns at Kaido's hands. Luffy is no stranger tp pain afterall. No, the real test of Luffy's royal mettle in his journey to becoming not just king but the King of Kings ( remember this...) will come when he's forced to face the same ordeals as Kidd and Oden: having the lives and welfare of not just innocents but his own friends dangled before his very eyes as hostages. Only this time, there will be no lucky breaks; Like Oden, Luffy may find himself in the position of having to make some difficult choices. And like both Oden and Kidd, he may be left no choice at all but to deal with the prospect of his loved ones suffering some very permanent scars, emotional or otherwise.

At least for the time being. I'm not saying the Strawhats are going to get the Berserk treatment, but suffice to say that tough times are ahead. But there is a purpose behind it all. And it's also a prelude to the Strawhats' future trip to a more literal Underworld, where the Titans, Satan, and ironically enough the Garden of Eden can be found. Meanwhile, Blackbeard will busy himself turning the entire world into a macro-version of Wano while styling himself as the supposed King of Hell/Master of Death/whatever.

Shabaody defeat/Impel Down/Marineford ---> Wano ---> Blackbeard's final challenge

Defeat/Hell/Loss/Rebirth --> Defeat/Hell/Loss/Rebirth --> Defeat/Hell/Loss/Rebirth

That's also not to say events will transpire exactly the same as they did previously. Wano will be freed and the good guys will win in the end, but the Strawhats will have been to Hell and back by the end of it. In Luffy's case, I've been saying for months now that he's going to meet a similar fate as the Monkey King and nearly get burned alive upon defeat...well, what're the odds we'll see Luffy and Co. find themselves in a similar position as Oden and his retainers as we're currently witnessing in the flashback? That's right, a modern day repeat of Oden's execution, with Luffy holding up the Scabbards and/or Strawhats whilst being boiled alive..

Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn

Aight, that's enough for now, maybe more later.
 
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- With Luffy coming close to death in the general scenario I previously laid out, the Strawhat Grand Fleet will spring into action, converging on Wano alongside Neko and whatever other allies of Oden he can find, which may include some former Roger Pirates.

We could also see an appearance by Shanks and even Blackbeard, each for their own reasons ( mos def malicious in BB's case ). This in turn may also finally force the WG's hand and prompt it to intervene in some fashion should reports of their approaching Wano reach Marine high command in time.

- People expecting Luffy to be Joyboy's reincarnation, for the Chosen One to make everything right, yadda yadda...may be in for a surprise. Strong chance the one who will quite literally open Wano's borders will be...Blackbeard; as in he'll bring the surrounding rock walls containing Wano and its inner sea crashing down with his tremors and triggering the inevitable volcanic eruption, all in a bid to rid himself of his various rivals ( be it before or after Big Mom and/or Kaido are somehow neutralized ).

Marines, various Pirates, and some of the ( now former ) Beast Pirates will help evacuate and protect Wano's people in the wake of the End-of-Arc volcanic eruption, which will ultimately go a long way towards help start things off right regarding Wano fostering relations with the rest of the world.

Fracturing --> Disharmony --> Convergence --> Harmony

- It'll be revealed that the Kozuki are not the original ruling clan of Wano. They're simply started out "temporary" acting regents, placeholders who took over in lieu of an heir to the true royal family succeeding the throne, similar to what we saw with Orochi's takeover.

If you think about it, the sun has been a constant symbol commonly attached to the Ancient Kingdom and its supposed aims and philosophy -- at least that's what many assume at the moment -- but when you look at the Kozuki, Oden's retainers, and even all the main families of Wano, notice the blatant lunar/non-daytime meteorological phenomenon/nocturnal theme ( 'Kurozumi' translates as 'black charcoal,' but it can also get you 'darkness' or 'darkening' ).

Suffice to say, I think the Kozuki may have one point served as retainers themselves in the distant past....possibly even having risen from humble beginnings, same as Oden and his ragtag bunch of freaks n geeks, or possibly even the Yakuza ( more on that later ). They may have even simply have co-opted the solar bird crest when they ascended the throne.

Who then was the rightful rulers of Wano? A clan whose name we have yet to learn, whose secret ( and their current living descendant's identity ) is being closely guarded by a certain tengu. I also imagine said hypothetical clan would have a surname associated with the Dawn or Sun.

Needless to say, my biggest suspects are Toko ( possibly on her mom's side ) or Tama ( and even if she's not, I'm certain she comes from an important bloodline ).

I say Toko, because her general demeanor and relationship w/ Komurasaki just make me think to this particularly goofy Shinto goddess of the dawn and revelry who managed to brighten Sun Goddess Amaterasu's day when times were tough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ame-no-Uzume

That and I'd imagine the likeliest candidate would be somebody who can play the part of a Fooling King ( of the Oden/Joyboy/Luffy variety ). But that's another theory for later.

And hey, after we're down with the Traitor Subplot, Oda's gonna have to come up with another mystery to occupy our waking hours, no? WHO IS THE RIGHTFUL HEIR TO WANO'S THRONE? IT MUST BE DENJIRO/ZORO/TAMA/TOKO/WITCHING HOUR BOY/KYOSHIRO/THATFUCKINGFOX!!

- We've seen quite a few societies with a 2-leader power structure, e.g. Elbaf, Zou, and I'm betting the Guardian Deities of Alabasta were in actuality the co-rulers of the desert kingdom in the distant past...and what was Hyogoro of the Flower if not the "secondary" leader of Wano, witrh his fellow Yazuka serving as his Underworld daimyos ( with the treacherous Kurokoma serving as his own equivalent to the Kurozumi's ).

Where am I going with this? I believe that by arc's end, power will be shared by the Shogunate ( Day )....and the Yakuza/Underworld ( Night ). Fans of theories related to Momo joining the Strawhats as a Cabin Boy may get their wish, as it's a distinct possibility Hyo may ultimately occupy one of the seats of authority due to his wealth of experience, leadership skills, and sway; the other seat to be occupied by...

(a) Hiyori. One way or another, a woman will end up co-ruler of Wano. This in turn frees up Momo to join up w/ the Strawhats, either temporarily -- w/ Momo putting a hold on taking the reigns of power until he's old and wise enough to be worthy of doing so -- or otherwise. It'd also provide quite the funny contrast and callback to Whitebeard not wanting to be perceived as "kidnapping" a royal if Luffy went ahead and did just that lol.

(b) Alternatively, we could see both Hiyori and Momo taking over as siblings in equal standing to each other, with Hiyori/Komurasaki representing the Underworld in this case....but again, I'm leaning towards Hyo getting the nod as Regent for the time being.

(c)If I'm right about a certain somebody being the secret rightful heir to the throne of Wano, could be that neither Momo nor Hiyori will become rulers, with the Kozuki relegating themselves to their ( hypothetical ) former posts as daimyo, freeing up one of both of them to lead their lives as they see fit.

To summarize the only conclusive take-aways here:

  1. Wano will two co-rulers by arc's end, same as Elbaf and Zou
  2. One will definitely be a female
  3. Hyo will be the other, temporary or otherwise
  4. One will represent the Night/Underworld/Yakuza

- Not gonna lie, first image that sprung to mind when it was revealed in the latest chapter than messages could be sent by long-range arrows was this.


With Toki playing the part of the Miko, firing off arrows into the distance.

On a sidenote, picture if you will, Toki -- cognizant of how events will play out to the letter through some prophetic ability, not necessarily a "traitor" but making the necessary sacrifices needed with an eye on the big picture -- firing one last arrow off into the night sky just as the flames are about to consume her...only for said arrow to suddenly vanish from existence....and reappear 20 years later at a most critical juncture; just the right moment in time.

Not saying it's guaranteed to happen, buuut if we see Toki suddenly picking up a bow, remember this; it'll be a major clue hinting towards Toki's ancestry ( specifically her dad ), the relevance of her time abilities, and how it all ties to Joyboy and the Ancient Kingdom.

I'll elaborate later, but if I'm right about this one, I will bow at the altar of Goda forever.

- Shit's gonna get heavy for the good guys, but they will rally by the arc's climax. Conversely, it'll be the villains of the piece -- Big Mom, Kaido, and above all Orochi -- who will likewise suffer a series of betrayals, backstabbings, and mass defections.

Big Mom herself may suffer a coup in her own ranks. Some of her own kids want her gone. Keep an eye on so-far low profile players such as Snack and Compote. Don't be shocked if someone, family or not, shows up disguised as Carmel to open Lin Lin up for a lethal cheap shot.

In Kaido's case, he'll learn that beating a "beast" into submission, breaking its will, dominating through fear alone....such methods of "taming" will only inspire so much loyalty. And while I think we'll see this topic further explored through the lens of Tama's powers -- and note my earlier theory as it relates to the Minks' history with the Kozuki/Wano -- I'm thinking it'll be revealed that Tama's powers don't work exactly the way we they ostensibly do; there's more than simple mind control at play here, same as Luffy's "taming" of wild animals goes beyond the brutishness of someone like say Big Mom.

There may be a mental/empathic component at play as well, meaning Tama's powers don't override free will, but rather grant her "victims" instant grasp of...well, her entire essence or being. A better way of explaining it would be the immediate connections made by Newtypes in the Gundamverse, if that makes any sense. Instant enlightenment as opposed to overt brainwashing.

Also, given the possible parallels many are expecting to see to Oars and the Thriller Bark arc in general, might be we'll see a callback to Usopp and Co. trying to exorcise Oar's shadow by shooting salt into his mouth...only in this case, it'll be some of Tama's kibi dango getting fired into Kaido's maw, only for the latter to undergo no change whatsoever, thus proving everything I've outlined above concerning the nature of Tama's powers ( and subsequently dispelling any fears or misconceptions on some rebellious Minks' part, should I prove correct about their possible "subjugation" in the past.

Moving on, it'll likely be revealed that the Rock Pirates' downfall didn't simply come down to a matter of losing a fight to the Roger/Garp duo; same as what will occur in Wano ( and what happened to...certain other great nations ), much of the group's dissolution will be attributed to treachery and in-fighting, ie disharmony.

We may or may not see a resurgent, united Rocks rise from the ashes of Wano's explosion once things hit their boiling point, but I'm pretty confident the Orochi/Big Mom/Kaido coalition will ultimately fail where the Alliance will eventually succeed - sticking together.

Now, whether Shiki or Blackbeard decide to save their asses and make a deal, well...we'll see.


mostly a repost from elsewhere, cuz lazyness

- Could just be me projecting, but if Oda's as ambitious as I suspect he may be, we may be getting not one but two more flashbacks to fill in a lot of remaining missing blanks. We got one from Oden's perspective; next is possibly Kaido's once the Raid phase of the arc closes out ( and fails imho ), giving us a glimpse into his backstory, motivations, his time w/ the Rocks ( parallel to Oden's time spent with Whitebeard/Roger ), and some further insights into his relationship w/ Orochi; followed by a return to the present that leads into a final flashback just prior to the climax ( ala Skypeaia ) that gives us a take from a 3rd party apart from the main "heroes" and "villains" of the past, ie that of Amatsuki Toki, who's probably set her own plan in motion.

In short, it's tribute to the multi-perspective approach to the famous Akira Kurosawa and the Rashomon Effect.

https://www.acmi.net.au/ideas/read/kurosawa-rashomon-storytelling-legacy/

Three sounds like a perfectly symbolic and appropriate number in this scenario.

Earth - Oden

Heaven - Amatsuki ( Celestial Moon ) Toki

Hell - Kaido of course

The trinity of the Triple Tomoe



Yeah, three just might be the magic number after all, since I'm sure Oda will likewise be referencing these famous trios as well:

The Shinto Big 3 of Amaterasu ( Sun Goddess ), Tsukuyomi ( Moon God ), and Susano-O ( Storm God )

Folkloric boy wonder Momotaro's three animal companions: a dog, a monkey, and a pheasant

And other Trinities to be explored at a...later time
 
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Wow, looks like I made a good thread here. :p

To me now, I'm hellbent on the traitor being Shutenmaru/Ashura Douji.. something I've had an idea for about 4 or 5 months straight now... If it is a scabbard, I really think it's him, in my opinion.

If anyone is wondering why I've picked him all this time, I'll be making a theory sometime this week to share my thoughts about this... It has to be this week, since the traitor thing is soon gonna pop up anytime now. :unsure:

- Shinobu's fear of sharp objects and her dramatic....aging actually point to her being either tortured and/or transformed in some way. Whatever the case, it may be somehow tied to Witching Hour Boy, whose character Oda may've not only obviously based on legendary thief Nezumi Kozo ( aka Rat Kid ) from Japanese lore, but possibly also an equally infamous curse associated with the Witching Hour itself ( hence the name change in the adaptation of said legend to the One Piece landscape ) - the Ushi no Toki Mairi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi_no_toki_mairi

Any big anime/manger junkie is probably already familiar with the basic gist of it; a voodoo-like curse involving a straw doll, nails, and a malicious practitioner wearing a ring of candles around the head. In this case, easy to see how Shinobu could've turned out to be the victim of such a curse.

Now, is that to say Witching Hour Boy is a villain? Was Shinobu captured and forced to squeal by Orochi's forces? I won't even begin to claim I have a fucking clue about who did what. I'm only saying it's likely there's some connection there between Shinobu and Witching Hour Boy that probably involves the elements of jealousy and voodoo dolls lol. Could be something as absurd as WHBoy actually being a girl who's envious of Raizo's hypothetical infatuation w/ Shinobu from days back or something, having "cursed" Shinobu by turning her into some kinda living voodoo doll with some devil fruit ability or something haha. Who knows.
That's actually quite interesting.. :unsure:
And not to mention, didn't Robin discover voodoo dolls or something like that in a certain room?

And yeah.. I'm not sure if the witching hour boy might turn out to be a villain (though anything's possible at this stage xD), but could it be that every time the witching hour boy made his move, it was at the exact time Oden died?? And maybe the witching hour boy acted as such, in order to keep reminding the people of Oden's death, and ensure he won't be forgotten?? I mean, he wasn't present when Oden was alive, that's for sure.

But that's pretty much my take on it. :p
 
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Wow, looks like I made a good thread here. :p

To me now, I'm hellbent on the traitor being Shutenmaru/Ashura Douji.. something I've had an idea for about 4 or 5 months straight now... If it is a scabbard, I really think it's him, in my opinion.

If anyone is wondering why I've picked him all this time, I'll be making a theory sometime this week to share my thoughts about this... It has to be this week, since the traitor thing is soon gonna pop up anytime now. :unsure:



That's actually quite interesting.. :unsure:
And not to mention, didn't Robin discover voodoo dolls or something like that in a certain room?

And yeah.. I'm not sure if the witching hour boy might turn out to be a villain (though anything's possible at this stage xD), but could it be that every time the witching hour boy made his move, it was at the exact time Oden died?? And maybe the witching hour boy acted as such, in order to keep reminding the people of Oden's death, and ensure he won't be forgotten?? I mean, he wasn't present when Oden was alive, that's for sure.

But that's pretty much my take on it. :p
Is this because Kaido wanted him to join his crew even though he sentenced him to death 20 years ago with Oden and rest of the Scabbards?
 
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And not to mention, didn't Robin discover voodoo dolls or something like that in a certain room?
Kokeshi dolls IIRC, as in the ones Hitetsu enjoys collecting. Leads me to believe he was also a guard or some such at the palace, in charge of the poneglyph, official bladesmith ,and such.

Don't know what to make of that just yet.

Part of me kind of suspects they'll be deactivated, female versions of the automata seen w/ Dr. Tsukimi. Would go a long way towards confirming some other major theories of mine...but then I also dread of the prospects of Oda introducing even MORE characters with such a congested cast already, and far worse potentially giving us Tontattas MK II: Mecha Edition. Fuck no.

And yeah.. I'm not sure if the witching hour boy might turn out to be a villain (though anything's possible at this stage xD),
Yeah, probably just an eccentric character with a bone to pick with somebody, but otherwise harmless. I'm probably going to side with those who've postulated it's Toko for now.

Many of the characters in the "good" camp blatantly symbolize Japanese Yokai, and given WHB's mischievous antics , the good fortune he/she brings Ebisu's citizens, and Toko's own goofy nature and look...I think there's a strong chance she's meant to evoke this bob-cut sportin, childish spirit - the zashiki-warashi.

http://yabai.com/p/3044



But then a major theme of the work is how white/black, devil/deity, good/evil, and other such diametrically opposed forces are but two sides of the same coin...so like many a character, this yokai also corresponds with a certain mirthful Goddess of the Dawn whose habits funnily enough contrast quite a bit with the kind of etiquette a kamuro like Toko should be learning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ame-no-Uzume



Note the plump, gourd-like face that's so common in Noh masks and other Japanese media -- kinda like the one Robin was wearing to hide her face at the Flower Palace -- as it's based off said goddess.



Note too Toko's joke regarding her name and the wordplay involved -- Toko's a girl, but calling her o-toko amounts to calling her a boy, ie otoko -- and maybe we got ourselves further hints not only to her rascally nightly escapades, but the possibility she'll combine aspects both of Nezumi Kozo ( male guise ) and the Witching Hour Curse girl ( vengeful female alter-ego? ).

Spreading cheer and luck to some, dishing out bitter curses to others..and Orochi certainly has given her reason to demonstrate a darker mean streak. And hey, since she's a proven pick-pocket in any case, what're the chances she'll steal an actual REAL virtual voodoo doll from say the likes of Basil Hawkins...not realizing what it actually does of course 8D.

In any case, anytime I loom at current Shinobu, I can't help but think, "someone voodoo'd the shit out of her." I dunno lol

but could it be that every time the witching hour boy made his move, it was at the exact time Oden died?? And maybe the witching hour boy acted as such, in order to keep reminding the people of Oden's death, and ensure he won't be forgotten?? I mean, he wasn't present when Oden was alive, that's for sure.
But that's pretty much my take on it. :p
Witching Hour Boy tends to strike at night tho, at the Hours of the Ox ( 1 - 3 am or something like that ). Or maybe that's just when he makes his drops?

At any rate, it's kinda ironic how one dude who's really helping keep Oden's memory alive is Orochi himself with all his constant rambling. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's got his skeleton propped up in his closet or something for some DAILY AFFIRMATION of telling Oden to fuck off.
 
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Is this because Kaido wanted him to join his crew even though he sentenced him to death 20 years ago with Oden and rest of the Scabbards?
Actually, it goes much, much further than that!
I'll just try to summarize a bit here, since things will get pretty long:

Shutenmaru - for 20 years - has waited patiently until the day Kinemon would arrive, but these 20 years had a drastic effect on him. He lost his comrades and his childhood friends to Kaido and Orochi 10 or so years ago, and ultimately lost his will to fight.. he saw the impossibility of Kaido being taken down, and witnessed how Kaido alone was the reason why all the past rebellions failed... even waiting for Kinemon took its toll on him.

His anger directed at Kinemon at why it took so long for him to return was not only because of the death and loss of his comrades at the hands of Kaido 10 years ago, but also because he gave up his will to fight.... which is what transformed him from a former retainer to Oden, back into what he once was: a bandit leader, who robbed villages and innocent people of their belongings.

Even in his introduction, he had no longer any faith that Toki's prophecy would ever come true... he no longer even considered himself as a "man whom samurai could follow" and depend on (likely due to what happened 10 years ago), or even a samurai who could protect others.. he even witnessed how Luffy got one-shotted by Kaido - Luffy, the guy Kinemon talks highly of - emphasising the realization of how hopeless it is to take down Kaido...

He even said "Wano's days are numbered" (JBOX trans).. it's as if he's accepted Wano's fate already, and gave up, choosing to do nothing to revert such change... in other words, he's lost hope of Kaido ever being taken down...


Like all the other past uprisings, he probably thinks this one will also be doomed to fail... and so his main motive - if he is the traitor - is that he doesn't want any more lives being countlessly wasted away, like what happened in the past... which is quite like Oden, and why he became what he was throughout these 5 years in Wano.... Oden chose to bear the burden and protect Wano by himself, because he doesn't want people to die... Shutenmaru is in a similar path; he wants to prevent these 4,200 people from destroying their lives in what he sees as a plan doomed to fail, like every other plan that has been instigated against Kaido and Orochi.

He also stated clearly in a specific chapter, that he doesn't care for the other scabbards - not even Momonosuke... but he cares for Oden and loves him just as much as the other scabbards did... yet, he probably thinks it's way too late now (20 years!) for the scabbards to come into play again and make any difference... and thinks the scabbards have lived way past their due....... I also believe Shutenmaru's intending to die with all the other scabbards in Onigashima .... as they have lived far enough, but that's just speculation on my part.


I mean, put it another way... all of them loved Oden, but with Kinemon, Kanjuro, Kiku, and Raizou, their witnessing of Oden's execution is still fresh in their minds (3 months ago!)... Kawamatsu was caught and left to rot in jail, but he was there, waiting for that day to come... but with Shutenmaru, he experienced a lot of shit these past 20 years, even having his childhood comrades slain 10 years ago, whilst waiting and waiting for Kinemon to come, unable to do anything but wait... with all that, it's surely enough for someone to lose their will to fight... especially when every other rebellion in the past has failed.. He probably joined the alliance in order to ruin the plan and prevent countless lives from being wasted away, with such a plan that he thinks will definitely fail..

With Shutenmaru right now, he probably just wants himself and the other scabbards to die fighting for their master, Oden - who is long dead - whilst ensuring no-one else gets killed... just like how Oden destroyed his life... doing so, whilst ensuring no-one else gets killed, and protecting Wano's people with his dying breath.


And assuming I'm right with the whole idea of Shutenmaru and his motives... if he is the traitor, he will also come to realize that what he's done was wrong all this time - in the aftermath of Onigashima - and he will certainly take full part with the fight against Kaido and Orochi, and redeem himself in any way... he might even save Hiyori and Momo from death, by killing Orochi in the end, probably, as a way for Oda to redeem him.

There is also the case of Shutenmaru's character being very very similar to a known figure in japanese history - the bandit leader who killed Akechi Mitsuhide - the latter, whom Orochi closely resembles in Wano.... which is also why I think Shutenmaru is certainly playing a bigger role in Wano than what we might expect!!


I know there are some counter-points to this, but I'll also address them as much as I can, in this theory. But I know I could very well be wrong as everyone else, so I also take my prediction with a grain of salt. :)

But one thing's certain... even with the latest chapter...
The traitor is indeed, among the scabbards. There's no denying it.

EDIT: Woah.. for a summary, this is long as hell. :eek:
I'm so sorry about this.. 😅
 
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Actually, it goes much, much further than that!
I'll just try to summarize a bit here, since things will get pretty long:

Shutenmaru - for 20 years - has waited patiently until the day Kinemon would arrive, but these 20 years had a drastic effect on him. He lost his comrades and his childhood friends to Kaido and Orochi 10 or so years ago, and ultimately lost his will to fight.. he saw the impossibility of Kaido being taken down, and witnessed how Kaido alone was the reason why all the past rebellions failed... even waiting for Kinemon took its toll on him.

His anger directed at Kinemon at why it took so long for him to return was not only because of the death and loss of his comrades at the hands of Kaido 10 years ago, but also because he gave up his will to fight.... which is what transformed him from a former retainer to Oden, back into what he once was: a bandit leader, who robbed villages and innocent people of their belongings.

Even in his introduction, he had no longer any faith that Toki's prophecy would ever come true... he no longer even considered himself as a "man whom samurai could follow" and depend on (likely due to what happened 10 years ago), or even a samurai who could protect others.. he even witnessed how Luffy got one-shotted by Kaido - Luffy, the guy Kinemon talks highly of - emphasising the realization of how hopeless it is to take down Kaido...

He even said "Wano's days are numbered" (JBOX trans).. it's as if he's accepted Wano's fate already, and gave up, choosing to do nothing to revert such change... in other words, he's lost hope of Kaido ever being taken down...


Like all the other past uprisings, he probably thinks this one will also be doomed to fail... and so his main motive - if he is the traitor - is that he doesn't want any more lives being countlessly wasted away, like what happened in the past... which is quite like Oden, and why he became what he was throughout these 5 years in Wano.... Oden chose to bear the burden and protect Wano by himself, because he doesn't want people to die... Shutenmaru is in a similar path; he wants to prevent these 4,200 people from destroying their lives in what he sees as a plan doomed to fail, like every other plan that has been instigated against Kaido and Orochi.

He also stated clearly in a specific chapter, that he doesn't care for the other scabbards - not even Momonosuke... but he cares for Oden and loves him just as much as the other scabbards did... yet, he probably thinks it's way too late now (20 years!) for the scabbards to come into play again and make any difference... and thinks the scabbards have lived way past their due....... I also believe Shutenmaru's intending to die with all the other scabbards in Onigashima .... as they have lived far enough, but that's just speculation on my part.


I mean, put it another way... all of them loved Oden, but with Kinemon, Kanjuro, Kiku, and Raizou, their witnessing of Oden's execution is still fresh in their minds (3 months ago!)... Kawamatsu was caught and left to rot in jail, but he was there, waiting for that day to come... but with Shutenmaru, he experienced a lot of shit these past 20 years, even having his childhood comrades slain 10 years ago, whilst waiting and waiting for Kinemon to come, unable to do anything but wait... with all that, it's surely enough for someone to lose their will to fight... especially when every other rebellion in the past has failed.. He probably joined the alliance in order to ruin the plan and prevent countless lives from being wasted away, with such a plan that he thinks will definitely fail..

With Shutenmaru right now, he probably just wants himself and the other scabbards to die fighting for their master, Oden - who is long dead - whilst ensuring no-one else gets killed... just like how Oden destroyed his life... doing so, whilst ensuring no-one else gets killed, and protecting Wano's people with his dying breath.


And assuming I'm right with the whole idea of Shutenmaru and his motives... if he is the traitor, he will also come to realize that what he's done was wrong all this time - in the aftermath of Onigashima - and he will certainly take full part with the fight against Kaido and Orochi, and redeem himself in any way... he might even save Hiyori and Momo from death, by killing Orochi in the end, probably, as a way for Oda to redeem him.

There is also the case of Shutenmaru's character being very very similar to a known figure in japanese history - the bandit leader who killed Akechi Mitsuhide - the latter, whom Orochi closely resembles in Wano.... which is also why I think Shutenmaru is certainly playing a bigger role in Wano than what we might expect!!


I know there are some counter-points to this, but I'll also address them as much as I can, in this theory. But I know I could very well be wrong as everyone else, so I also take my prediction with a grain of salt. :)

But one thing's certain... even with the latest chapter...
The traitor is indeed, among the scabbards. There's no denying it.

EDIT: Woah.. for a summary, this is long as hell. :eek:
I'm so sorry about this.. 😅
This is really interesting and i need to think about this more. But why did Shutenmaru attack Jack?
 
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Would be pretty hilarious if like half of the Scabbards end up sabotaging the Raid in each their own way, but without being aware of their fellow saboteurs' schemes. It'd be like a ludicrous replay of the search for the plans to Kaido's mansion, only with betrayal. I'm pretty sure I've seen movie scenes that played out sorta like this haha.

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Actually, it goes much, much further than that!
I'll just try to summarize a bit here, since things will get pretty long:

Shutenmaru - for 20 years - has waited patiently until the day Kinemon would arrive, but these 20 years had a drastic effect on him. He lost his comrades and his childhood friends to Kaido and Orochi 10 or so years ago, and ultimately lost his will to fight.. he saw the impossibility of Kaido being taken down, and witnessed how Kaido alone was the reason why all the past rebellions failed... even waiting for Kinemon took its toll on him.

His anger directed at Kinemon at why it took so long for him to return was not only because of the death and loss of his comrades at the hands of Kaido 10 years ago, but also because he gave up his will to fight.... which is what transformed him from a former retainer to Oden, back into what he once was: a bandit leader, who robbed villages and innocent people of their belongings.

Even in his introduction, he had no longer any faith that Toki's prophecy would ever come true... he no longer even considered himself as a "man whom samurai could follow" and depend on (likely due to what happened 10 years ago), or even a samurai who could protect others.. he even witnessed how Luffy got one-shotted by Kaido - Luffy, the guy Kinemon talks highly of - emphasising the realization of how hopeless it is to take down Kaido...

He even said "Wano's days are numbered" (JBOX trans).. it's as if he's accepted Wano's fate already, and gave up, choosing to do nothing to revert such change... in other words, he's lost hope of Kaido ever being taken down...


Like all the other past uprisings, he probably thinks this one will also be doomed to fail... and so his main motive - if he is the traitor - is that he doesn't want any more lives being countlessly wasted away, like what happened in the past... which is quite like Oden, and why he became what he was throughout these 5 years in Wano.... Oden chose to bear the burden and protect Wano by himself, because he doesn't want people to die... Shutenmaru is in a similar path; he wants to prevent these 4,200 people from destroying their lives in what he sees as a plan doomed to fail, like every other plan that has been instigated against Kaido and Orochi.

He also stated clearly in a specific chapter, that he doesn't care for the other scabbards - not even Momonosuke... but he cares for Oden and loves him just as much as the other scabbards did... yet, he probably thinks it's way too late now (20 years!) for the scabbards to come into play again and make any difference... and thinks the scabbards have lived way past their due....... I also believe Shutenmaru's intending to die with all the other scabbards in Onigashima .... as they have lived far enough, but that's just speculation on my part.


I mean, put it another way... all of them loved Oden, but with Kinemon, Kanjuro, Kiku, and Raizou, their witnessing of Oden's execution is still fresh in their minds (3 months ago!)... Kawamatsu was caught and left to rot in jail, but he was there, waiting for that day to come... but with Shutenmaru, he experienced a lot of shit these past 20 years, even having his childhood comrades slain 10 years ago, whilst waiting and waiting for Kinemon to come, unable to do anything but wait... with all that, it's surely enough for someone to lose their will to fight... especially when every other rebellion in the past has failed.. He probably joined the alliance in order to ruin the plan and prevent countless lives from being wasted away, with such a plan that he thinks will definitely fail..

With Shutenmaru right now, he probably just wants himself and the other scabbards to die fighting for their master, Oden - who is long dead - whilst ensuring no-one else gets killed... just like how Oden destroyed his life... doing so, whilst ensuring no-one else gets killed, and protecting Wano's people with his dying breath.


And assuming I'm right with the whole idea of Shutenmaru and his motives... if he is the traitor, he will also come to realize that what he's done was wrong all this time - in the aftermath of Onigashima - and he will certainly take full part with the fight against Kaido and Orochi, and redeem himself in any way... he might even save Hiyori and Momo from death, by killing Orochi in the end, probably, as a way for Oda to redeem him.

There is also the case of Shutenmaru's character being very very similar to a known figure in japanese history - the bandit leader who killed Akechi Mitsuhide - the latter, whom Orochi closely resembles in Wano.... which is also why I think Shutenmaru is certainly playing a bigger role in Wano than what we might expect!!


I know there are some counter-points to this, but I'll also address them as much as I can, in this theory. But I know I could very well be wrong as everyone else, so I also take my prediction with a grain of salt. :)

But one thing's certain... even with the latest chapter...
The traitor is indeed, among the scabbards. There's no denying it.

EDIT: Woah.. for a summary, this is long as hell. :eek:
I'm so sorry about this.. 😅
I can dig this.

I foresee Hiyori and Kyoshiro plotting to overthrow Orochi, leading to about half the Scabbards joining their side, each for their own reasons. Could even see Ashura siding with them in this scenario if turns out to be a bloodless coup ( on the Kozuki side anyways ). I think events are leading up to Momo being seen as too weak a leader compared to the steelier-nerved Hiyori.

Those scenes showing Momo in tears while Hiyori's all non-plussed were probably intended to plant the seeds of this Momo losing support as a leader to rally behind. May even be why Toki sent him into the future in good company while Hiyori was left behind to tough it out w/ just Kawamatsu; she knew Hiyori could handle it. Girl Power.

Of course, we know Hiyori's crying deep inside, particularly when she's allowed to cover her face during her musical performances...but part of the journey is building up to that point. Until then, Momo's gonna have a tough time proving himself...like father, like son, in a way. But then, that's a big reason why I LEGiT BELIEVE that we'll see not a return of Nightmare Luffy by arc's end...but NIGHTMARE MOMO, in swoll dragon form.
 
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My predictions after 972:
-traitor is kinnemon
-Denjiro is kyoshiro
-Hiyori and Denjiro have a side plot to overthrow Orochi after Kaido falls and Hiyori deals the final blow to Orochi
-Strawhat grand fleet, marines, CP-0, black beard, Marco, minks, samurai, big mom, beast pirates, Orochi forces, the worst generation, and the numbers will ALL partake in the War.
-Law Is the reason no one met the scabbards at the spot to head to onigashima because X-drake told him there was a spy amongs the scabbards
-Chopper finds a cure for the smile user rejects
-Luffy beats kaido way more fairly than kaido beat oden
-Luffy actively does not finish kaido off and kaido is instead killed by either Akainu or Blackbeard.
-green bull full reveal at the war.

that’s all I’ve got for now
 
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This is really interesting and i need to think about this more. But why did Shutenmaru attack Jack?
I could say it's because even though Shutenmaru lost his will to fight all these years, his love for Oden is still there, and him attacking Jack and refusing Kaido's offer of serving under him is because of Kaido killing his comrades in the past, as well as Oden... but even with him giving up, he sees Kaido's peons as enemies, but as long as Kaido is in Wano, it is hopeless for him to do anything, as was shown 10 years ago, which is why he gave up..

I mean, he attacked Jack, but when Kaido appeared, Shutenmaru retreated; when Kinemon approached him to get him on their side, he displayed complete apathy to it, and gave the impression that he gave up that will to fight.

Another thing is that Shutenmaru didn't meet Kinemon before this chapter (Shutenmaru's introduction and his fight with Jack was in chapter 921; Kinemon spotted him in chapter 924; and they conversed in chapter 925)... but is it a coincidence that ever since Kinemon met Shutenmaru, the leaks began to occur and everything changed?


Also, I guess Kaido wanted him as a subordinate in the past, and Shutenmaru refused.. it's not that he treats Kaido and Orochi as allies... he definitely wants them taken down (or "wanted", since he lost his will to fight all these years), but with the past rebellions proving how impossible it was to take down Kaido, with loss of life, it gives the idea that Shutenmaru sees Kinemon's plan failing like every other plan, and ending up a total disaster.

Not to mention, Shutenmaru no longer even believed in Lady Toki's 20 years prophecy in his introduction. That's pretty much the level of how much faith he lost in hoping Kaido would ever be taken down.​

Which is why - in my opinion - he's acting against the plan and sabotaging it, even to the point that no-one's going to meet them in Port Tokage as the original plan intended. Not only does he wish to avoid countless deaths from occurring as was the case with every other rebellion in the past, but he also probably thinks it is far too late for the scabbards to fight, and that the Kozuki banner should've really just died with Oden back then.
 
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Some predictions:

- Onigashima raid will be delayed. First the capital will be taken over where Kyoshiro and possibly even Big Mom resides, which means she is the first Yonko to fall. Afterwards Kaido/Orochi have to take back the capital and that is where the Marines and other parties will show up
- Kanjuro is the traitor
- Jinbe is alive and will come very soon, possibly next chapter and with ships
- Izo is Witching Hour Boy and will appear soon as well with Neko & ships
 

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My prediction:
Kanjuro will be a important character, he is inconspicious and his devil fruit will be helpful to reach places that can't be reached specifically.
He has good ninja qualities like Shinobu or Raizo as he could literally draw birds to carry him while flight.
Kanjuro is awesome and he is collected, he is the perfect sidekick to Kine'mon.

Stop trusting in red herrings. We are looking for a traitor related to the fourth calamity, it is possible that we look for a mink here, unrelated to Inuarashi and Nekomamushi.

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Also, I guess Kaido wanted him as a subordinate in the past, and Shutenmaru refused.. it's not that he treats Kaido and Orochi as allies... he definitely wants them taken down (or "wanted", since he lost his will to fight all these years), but with the past rebellions proving how impossible it was to take down Kaido, with loss of life, it gives the idea that Shutenmaru sees Kinemon's plan failing like every other plan, and ending up a total disaster.
this is basically my rational for kinn being the traitor, accept I think that he lost his faith in oden after oden ran away to become a pirate and kaido and orochi first arrived on the scene. This would have been when Kaido and Orochi figured out how to get Kinnemon under their thumb.

My reasoning is that he was essentially the unofficial leader of the scabbards in oden's absence. All of the scabbards know what its like to have to bend their morals and screw over others to survive when there are no other options.

But I can definitely see this applying to shutenmaru after reading your post too. I just would care more if it was kinnemon over him.

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also note that if Kinn was flipped and trapped by circumstance during this period of time, the Oden he was betraying was simply a selfish ruffian who ran off for adventure and left behind all responsibility to them and the country--Momo didn't even exist yet! He would have been turning his back on so much less than what is at stake from the betrayal now.
 
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My prediction:
Kanjuro will be a important character, he is inconspicious and his devil fruit will be helpful to reach places that can't be reached specifically.
He has good ninja qualities like Shinobu or Raizo as he could literally draw birds to carry him while flight.
Kanjuro is awesome and he is collected, he is the perfect sidekick to Kine'mon.

Stop trusting in red herrings. We are looking for a traitor related to the fourth calamity, it is possible that we look for a mink here, unrelated to Inuarashi and Nekomamushi.

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Kanjuro seems to do everything wrong on purpose as to hinder any operation and was only ever serious when it came to the traitor. Basically changing the energy to it not being important. If you call this a red herring with this information alone I might agree with you but by process of elimination it can only be him or Raizo. Yes, it is not possible that a random mink has all the information that was given to the enemy, it can only be some one who was present 20 years ago and now being in the most inner circle of the alliance. Kaido confirming that there is a traitor already back then almost cuts out every other possibility as well. Though, I would grant that it could be a complete red herring and the reveal is that there was no traitor because Orochi has some kind of ability user. Him/Her being the 4th calamity would be interesting because it was set up in the slightest and we wait for him/Her appearance. A scorpion lives mostly underground and maybe there is a whole network below Wano that we haven't realized yet is there. That would be a bit random but still a great revelation.
 
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I foresee Hiyori and Kyoshiro plotting to overthrow Orochi,
I've had that idea in my mind for quite a while, actually.. xD
that Hiyori and Kyoshiro actually plotted to kill Orochi back then.

I mean, that could be an explanation why the fake death occurred in Orochi's banquet. Perhaps Hiyori's plan was to use her beauty and charms to lure Orochi and get him to marry her, and then on their bed, she kills Orochi herself - probably risking her life in doing so (she told Zoro that she wants to kill Orochi; and people say she's always 'scheming')... and Kyoshiro trained her and prepared her to do just that, for 13 odd years...

But in the banquet, she saw O-toko on the verge of getting killed... and she was probably thinking, if she didn't help O-toko, she will be as bad as Orochi... so negating her plan, she resolved to save O-toko by slapping Orochi and thus, risking her life from ending right there... :unsure:

I'm thinking that Kyoshiro made a plan, in case Hiyori's original plan failed and she was in danger... if Hiyori was ever to be exposed, Kyoshiro would "kill her"... and make it appear that she was dead... which could explain why she didn't hesitate... not even an inch, from the realization that she would be killed... it's because she trusts Kyoshiro's skill to not kill her, and make it appear she was killed (a swordsman can decide what to cut and what not to cut with his sword ... that, along with some good ol' tomato ketchup). (y)

Could even see Ashura siding with them in this scenario if turns out to be a bloodless coup ( on the Kozuki side anyways ).
There is also another reason why I really think Shutenmaru will be the one to kill Orochi.

Not only is there the fact that Akechi Mitsuhide - whom Orochi is most likely inspired from - was killed by a bandit leader, Nakamura Chobei (Shutenmaru is also a bandit leader) shortly after Akechi's defeat by Toyotomi, a former retainer of Oda Nobunaga... but there also this scene from the manga itself, in Oden's flashback.

Shutenmaru chops off the head of the snake with his own sword.. Orochi's devil fruit is the Yamata no Orochi, an eight-headed serpent in Japanese mythology, akin to a snake. Could that be a possible foreshadowing?
 

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OOOH ANOTHER PREDICTION!!!
though, I think this reveal will be better for the elbaf arc (if one piece doesn’t just end in Wano lol)—
with the abolishment of the schichibukai system—something fantastically accidental and happenstance and gloriously stupendous and genuinely shocking is going to happen which will prompt the world and the world government to confer the title of Yonko upon Buggy the Clown
 
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