[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Dragomir]

My bad, wanted to link the iso post tool which Drago mentioned. I didn't realize that it's unlinkable.

Oh, I didn't know about that one. That's convenient.

 

[Okosan]

Coooooo! (Obviously Okosan does agree with a couple of your reads you have on that scale of yours, but again Okosan could just be missing stuff so it's hard to say. Okosan doesn't normally sub into games because he doesn't like having to catch up so)
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COOOO! (But yeah generally it seems like whatever. Not a super scummy post on its own)

 

[Stray Cat]

What did I cherry pick? I talked about the entire post didn't I? I didn't cherry pick or take anything out of context. How many times must I repeat myself about this? Sigh. I know how Gambit feels now.

I am talking about this post:

@Dragomir

breaking the quote to explain:


1. We are playing mafia This is a game but each day we pretend we lynch a person. This is making the game deadly serious. When an interaction is too friendly something is off when there is nothing else than pleasantries. If soemone points this out in any way you shouldn't be bothred by him showing your own fluff behaviour while you admit it. It's like deflecting attention from it which scum often are doing.


2. I think this is clear, I said that he exaggerated when he said what I assumed.
Town has a more prudent approach or a more direct one. Gambit was just twisting my words to shade me.


3. Gambit didn't answer at this iirc, and also i don't think him ignoring my willingness to understand correct his posts shows a towny mindset from him.


4. He doesn't ask what my intention is, he directly comes with the idea I was trying to solicit a wagon on him. I never called anyone to join me. I only asked for reads from other players.
Scum want to show a townie has 'scum behaviour' even if this is a fake thought.


5. Here Gambit was redirecting the convo in other direction, to Cat for whom I had and still have a TR, and I noticed that often scum have the tendency to link themselves to a townie. So if my read on Cat is right, Gambit has to be scum from this imo.
Also he says I am insinuating things, but in fact he is the one doing this.


6. Saying my play is an act is another shade btw... I thought that his conclusions comes not from what I said but from his need to push his narrative.
the lmao thing is a scummy fake joyful mood, put there to show fake relaxation but doesn't really match with the meaning of the post, so I take it as a scum claim tbh.
You never found scum by spotting fake wanna be aggreable tone?


I think this is clear and shows in tl;dr my reasons to vote.


the above shows you my thought process.

I still think Gambit is scum, but i have the idea of what if I am biased in any way and Ona was right for reading him town at Eod.
Idk what to do and I need more content from Gambit. After all Ona is human and he can make a mistake and I need to understand the truth here.

Michelle's reasoning, there, pretty clear.

You on the other hand base your entire argument on...what exactly? Your Town read on Gambit? What if Michelle is Town and right about Gambit? You aren't considering the possibility she could be Town and Gambit scum or both can be Town. So tell me who is tunneling now?

 

[Waindo]

Coooooo! (Obviously Okosan does agree with a couple of your reads you have on that scale of yours, but again Okosan could just be missing stuff so it's hard to say. Okosan doesn't normally sub into games because he doesn't like having to catch up so)
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COOOO! (But yeah generally it seems like whatever. Not a super scummy post on its own)

Whos reads?

 

[Okosan]

Whos reads?

Cooooooo! (Talking about Drago's post that was linked)
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Coooo! (Also quick question Okosan notices it says majority is in effect on D2+. Are we doing that here or no?)

 

[tedxtr]

Ideally no

 

[Waindo]

I am talking about this post:



Michelle's reasoning, there, pretty clear.

You on the other hand base your entire argument on...what exactly? Your Town read on Gambit? What if Michelle is Town and right about Gambit? You aren't considering the possibility she could be Town and Gambit scum or both can be Town. So tell me who is tunneling now?

Wait, Drago called out Michelle as scum over this post of hers?

 

[Stray Cat]

Wait, Drago called out Michelle as scum over this post of hers?

No, but he is constantly referring to other posts when this post right there shows perfect reasoning and he somehow ignores that. He doesn't have an open mind regarding her either. She perfectly explained her line of thought. She isn't even doing TMI since she still considers I could be scum, too. She. Is. Town.

 

[Dragomir]

I am talking about this post:



Michelle's reasoning, there, pretty clear.

You on the other hand base your entire argument on...what exactly? Your Town read on Gambit? What if Michelle is Town and right about Gambit? You aren't considering the possibility she could be Town and Gambit scum or both can be Town. So tell me who is tunneling now?

Flower................I have stated multiple times that I did not see that post when I was making my read on Mich. How many times must I repeat this?!

I am convinced that you never once read my post. I never once said shit about Gambit when talking about Michelle. My scum read on her has nothing to do with my Gambit town read. If Mich is town and Gambit it mafia then I was wrong. Simple. You're trying this horseshit about "not considering the possibility of them being town" again? The same shit you used against me in the Wano game in which I was town? Why do I need to consider her being town? What good will that do to me besides make me a fence sitter? Like, say I said that Michelle could town, is that supposed to change my scum read on her?

 

[Dragomir]

I have a goddamn headache.

 

[tedxtr]

Vote waindo, drago

 

[Okosan]

Coooo! Coooo! (Okay Okosan will be back in about an hour or so, and when he gets back he'll read through the rest of Waindo's posts, ans well as all the posts since that one post of Drago's.... then Okosan will probably vote Waindo for being outed scum )

COOOOO! (Okosan will say he's not sure how to feel about Ted (Okosan's other main scum read) pushing Waindo as well, though)

 

[Stray Cat]

That's what you get from tunneling, Drago. I'm getting the feeling your entire reasoning is just down the roof and turned into big tunnel vision.


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Yeah, folks, Drago is Town for this.

Drago is Town, Michelle is Town, I am Town. Lock this.
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Flower................I have stated multiple times that I did not see that post when I was making my read on Mich. How many times must I repeat this?!

I am convinced that you never once read my post. I never once said shit about Gambit when talking about Michelle. My scum read on her has nothing to do with my Gambit town read. If Mich is town and Gambit it mafia then I was wrong. Simple. You're trying this horseshit about "not considering the possibility of them being town" again? The same shit you used against me in the Wano game in which I was town? Why do I need to consider her being town? What good will that do to me besides make me a fence sitter? Like, say I said that Michelle could town, is that supposed to change my scum read on her?

Yeah, then you should maybe reevaluate your reads? This post doesn't affect them or anything? Your tunneling gets you nowhere. And I'm speaking from experience.

 

[Waindo]

That's what you get from tunneling, Drago. I'm getting the feeling your entire reasoning is just down the roof and turned into big tunnel vision.


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Yeah, folks, Drago is Town for this.

Drago is Town, Michelle is Town, I am Town. Lock this.

All 3 of you are huh.
Isn't that interesting.
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Coooo! Coooo! (Okay Okosan will be back in about an hour or so, and when he gets back he'll read through the rest of Waindo's posts, ans well as all the posts since that one post of Drago's.... then Okosan will probably vote Waindo for being outed scum )

COOOOO! (Okosan will say he's not sure how to feel about Ted (Okosan's other main scum read) pushing Waindo as well, though)

Uh-oh you're up to the interesting part.

 

[Stray Cat]

All 3 of you are huh.
Isn't that interesting.

Yeah, so this was just a big TvTvT. But it helps narrow down suspects for sure.

 

[Oreki]

Time to give my reads,

Flower: Everything up until now she has this calm calm demeanor, If only she'd not change her suspects and try not to read too much into other posts, then she'd look one of the most reasonable players to me... but I wouldn't say her reasoning to suspect others are bad in the least. At the beginning of the game, I thought she was a fairly easy town read for me, though that changed later down the road since I had my condiction here and there and there were small moments where I even thought she could be scum but that idea was too stupid that I didn't want to credited(lol). I didn't like some of her posts per to say i.e. Onadaga being scum, the primary reason being for that was his questions and how he was providing his read or maybe it was just me but I felt like he was a most towniest player. Whatever the case I felt it was wrong. Pretty much, putting that aside, I think this day her reasoning and the way she suspecting others is much more stable, reasonable than before.

Tedxtr: He wants to lynch Wai but no one listening to him… and for that, he couldn't help but be frustrated, vexed, annoyed at that. It looked like he wasn’t going to rest easy until he saw his lynch. After seeing his frustration, it looked like he was actually intending to finish it and do nothing else this phase besides that. Still, Ted acting his usual demeanor like always… I can't tell if he's just being reasonable or being emotional… Well, he has his good reasons for wai to consider him bad and bad points on how he's trying to approach the lynch. He said that he would be fed with town or somethin' if Wai didn't get lynched. Honestly, Ted's line of thinking here is better as he's emotional + reasonable argument. It's probably his genuine feeling about the all this.

Wai: I don't have much to say in his case. I really can't fathom someone not even speculating about the game in this phase. You're not going to get reads by coasting. You only get reads by interacting. After hearing seeing his gameplay, even more, I felt convinced enough to not clear him this day phase. There’s no doubt that what he talked about were all pointless things. Someone would say something and he would just fluff his way through in the place of giving answers. That exchange was what he had been doing all along.

Samael: Conflicting. While I do think his behavior feels natural and improvised compare to the last day phase, contrary to most people in the thread, I didn't like his gameplay at the beginning of the game. Not because of his aggressive approach on ted because I fully support the dynamism aggressive play but because how he singles him out in all players... it comes across to me a little bit suspicious because but as he posted more I started to get his gameplay and reasoning and so he had been one of the most reasonable players in this game.

Gambit: Patiently waiting on him to post in the thread this phase so I have more content to go by "I don't even know what to do with him" lean-to, the last phase his only major argument or game was revolved around arguing Flower back and forth.

Shottie: I'm assuming she'll no longer provide anything in this phase since I think her mindset is now "Today Lynch is Oreki nothing else matter" so no matter what we do her intention ain't changing, so I won't invest my neurons on her until her reasons such like personal history, one-year-old meta change to something much more reasonable. Also Scum lean. I can't expect an experienced player as her to try to lynch someone based on these reasons, seems pretty forced to me.

Will give on others later

 

[Waindo]

Vote waindo, drago

From your past 15 posts 10 are 'vote for Waindo', 'wagon Waindo' and paraphrases of that.

If that's not panic then idk.

 

[Shottie]

I do not agree with what Shottie just said. Juliet is maybe one of the few players that I don't have any vendetta, personal matter, history, affairs, pointless arguments anything of that sort, we have played some games together but never really have argued or have conflicted reads, we have been pretty neutral to each other in every game. This may be the first game I had an argument with Juliet.

I mean, of course you would disagree with what I say, since what I'm saying is you're scum.

You guys don't argue or have conflict, you just target her 1st in every game.
You know your case on her last DP was weak, so weak that the only reason why you pop this dp as my scum #1 is because juliet was the one lynched and you were the one hard pushing for her the whole dP when there were SEVERAL other choices, including your focus for this dp Drago and Poison/wai.

 

[Stray Cat]

I'm also leaning TvT on Wai vs Ted now. Ted is tunneling now and Wai just not interested in responding to invalid accusations. That's how this feels like currently.
Add Beky to the Town reads as well.
Throw Oreki into the mix, too, while you're at that.


Town: Drago, Michelle, Stray Cat, Beky, Wai, Oreki, Ted.

Suspects: Gambit, Okosan, Law, Rej, Shottie, Samael.

Everyone of the Town list, give your opinions on the suspects, please.

 

[Oreki]

I mean, of course you would disagree with what I say, since what I'm saying is you're scum.

You guys don't argue or have conflict, you just target her 1st in every game.
You know your case on her last DP was weak, so weak that the only reason why you pop this dp as my scum #1 is because juliet was the one lynched and you were the one hard pushing for her the whole dP when there were SEVERAL other choices, including your focus for this dp Drago and Poison/wai.

She was my strongest scum lean last DP, are you the type who doesn't go for her strongest scum lean? Also, of course, you would say that when you don't even know what history you're talking about

After the game let's ask Juliet... since you like tin foiling and use reasons that make no sense Ma'am