[FIN] Traditional Mafia The Gang Plays Mafia [Mafia Championship Practice]

[Shottie]

Funny how I'm making more sense than you and can counter all your points.

You've avoided most of my points, not countered them.
Like the whole vote to lynch someone to stir people up follow up. You're following up on the wrong people.
The Ted is scum read, when he literally helped you with the stress test.
You've wasted most of your posts focusing on me to clear me as town and yet still think I'm scum so... #wasteful (how does THAT make sense?)

joby

 

[Waindo]

But you said I scum read them anyway so... how am i wrong?
Nice dance away from Wai and Oreki though.

Just out of curiosity, and since you're so eager to defend yourself and play at 4 AM, what exactly do you have on me?
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Vote Lynch @Samael

Don't ask damn things drives me crazy.

*Asks things*

 

[Beky]

I just really dont wanna read Shottie and Stray scuffle. Just loud noises

 

[Stray Cat]

I just really dont wanna read Shottie and Stray scuffle. Just loud noises

Dw, I'm just ignoring her. But find it funny how Rej is buddying with her and tells her he agrees with her on me being scum. You might be right about Drago and Rej being scum. Add Ted to the mix, too. Although if both Drago and Rej are scum and since they Town read him so hard the third slot could also be somebody like Samael.
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Drago stays my lynch candidate for this DP in any case.

 

[Waindo]

All of this for you to stick to Drago now? I'm beginning to think you and Shottie are SvS putting on a show.

 

[Stray Cat]

All of this for you to stick to Drago now? I'm beginning to think you and Shottie are SvS putting on a show.

That would be a good show, but nah.

If Shottie is Town:

Drago distanced himself from her lynch.
Rej is capitalizing on her being pissed at me to cause a mislynch.

If Shottie is scum:

She saw through my trick and is trying to make that backfire on me.
Drago is still distancing.
Rej is using this to team up with his buddy and convince Ted of me being scum. This would help scum if Ted is Town because as Shottie said Ted is leading. So she knows how influential Ted is this game. You can also see how she is twisting everything I say to make me seem scummy.


Rej was on both wagons, Drago was distanced from both.

Sam became my third option because he was jumping on the Shottie train and is playing his scum meta. Although only in the former case.
Because the latter would not include him in the scum team.

 

[Waindo]

K, I still think we should stick to Shottie today tho.

 

[Stray Cat]

K, I still think we should stick to Shottie today tho.

I'd prefer Drago, but everyone has to decide who to vote for by themselves.

 

[Oreki]

Do you all seriosuly think Samael is a town... he feels like a person who rising conflicts after conflicts
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His emotions are way too maintain, he's making way too much sense to be town

 

[Stray Cat]

Do you all seriosuly think Samael is a town... he feels like a person who rising conflicts after conflicts
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His emotions are way too maintain, he's making way too much sense to be town

That depends...what do you think about a Drago, Rej and Sam scum trio?

 

[Oreki]

That depends...what do you think about a Drago, Rej and Sam scum trio?

My next reads depend on Samael flip which I am positive about... least likely both Drago and Rej are scum due to their interaction day phase 1 which is unlikely S and S interaction, it was T and S or either T and T. It was the post where Drago gave Rej town cred

 

[Stray Cat]

My next reads depend on Samael flip which I am positive about... least likely both Drago and Rej are scum due to their interaction day phase 1 which is unlikely S and S interaction, it was T and S or either T and T. It was the post where Drago gave Rej town cred

So you also see Drago as an option? That's good. Because I feel we're finally coming to a common suspect. Drago and Sam could be buddies given their dynamics.

 

[Rej]

I want comments on this. I am srsly fed up with people ignoring it

I am leaning ok with you rn, I think the pressure helped you, I just can't credit all your reads and all the cases, Stray just flipflopped this DP

Also @Michelle do you think Joat that saved a townie should claim? We confirm 2 townies and second joat can very possibly protect other Joat

no just no

I'll explain benefits of Joat comming out and disadvantages

Pros
2 townie confirmed
Decreases the pool of people to suspect and question
Person that was saved can be considered towniest towny and thus someone who has strongest reads
Mafia can gamble to kill Joat and fail if of other Joat protects
Prevets the protector Joat from dying and failing to say who he protected thus loosing 2 100% townies

Cons
Joat is in danger to die and we lose abilities

Dragomir dropped my SR like he took it, without big reason.
Me colouring the VCs is not AI.

that is Drago for ya kappa

The problem I have is his interaction with Sam this DP. Getting a Get Good Dejavu.

Sam tried pushing for Ted early on (he likes bussing as scum).
Now he's suddenly working with him.
Ted doesn't mind people joining the Beky wagon. Which is odd, just like his constant asking people to join him.

Last game Sam also tried buddying with Town as scum, and put Cooler, his buddy, in the list of players when he asked their opinion along with Karma, Kira and me.

Now he asks Ted and me(Town) for their opinion.

What if Sam and Ted are buddies?

@Stray Cat lemme pick what I can and how it fits my time ok? I just started to get some time again

short about Sam: you used a heavy meta read/comparison here, I like it and I also would like to hear a direct answer from @Samael to this case. I am trash in buddy-buddy analysis but it would explain what Sam did in D1. I want more about ted on this case. Do you have more? (I mean I'll see when backtracking)

You know I wouldn't have had to do that if some Townies just stopped playing so scummy, right? What would you do if somebody tried discrediting your points as much as joby did to me or if somebody became all defensive over you just stating your first impressions like Gambit did? If you could place yourself in the situation I'm in, you'd do the same. Oh wait, you're doing it right now. Your case against me is logical enough from a Town's perspective.

We are both Town. We literally just did the same thing. So can you please get your game together? Thank you!

And it's not only Ted, but also Drago, Oko, Rej and Samael I'm focusing on.


Drago said Sam's votes on Beky and you were horseshit. Why would he say that when Beky is his main scum read? And Sam already stated he suspects Beky a while back?

Then enter Ted. He doesn't mind Drago joining him on the Beky wagon. Both read each other as Town for some reason. And he legit doesn't read Beky's posts at all. Either he's a really stubborn Townie and Drago is capitalizing on that or they are scum buddies.


Samael's play reminds me whole lot of his last game on NF, so much that I'm having a dejavu.

He keeps pushing a player for a petty reason (Ted's backpedalling).
He keeps buddying with me and Ted.
He keeps pushing for Drago who I read as scum. He does like bussing as scum. Also pushed for Drago last time, too, when they were on a team.
Also, he was distancing himself from all main wagons.


Okosan is another weird case. Read me and Gambit correctly, suspects Ted and Wai when both were arguing and then somehow voted Wai.

Rej is buddying with you and Ted now and tries painting me as scum.

I really think the scums are amongst the five players I listed now.


Possible teams:

Samael, Rej and Drago.

Visible dynamics between Rej and Samael, Samael and Drago with Rej pretty distanced from Drago, despite Town reading him?

Ted, Drago and Rej:

Ted and Drago are openly buddying. Rej has dynamics with Ted. Still distanced from Drago.


Okosan, Ted and Drago:

Although this constellation would be weird.


Okosan, Ted and Rej:

General Town read on Drago, Ted and Rej could now be bussing Oko.



Law doesn't fit there due to lack of dynamics with my other suspects.

I am not buddying with ted, I suspect him but I try to clarify him in my own way
I dont buddy Shottie, I just like her energy and her cases, people here are always free to change my mind about someone

I don't know I somehow can't connect with @Dragomir as before, he is one of those who shows a different energy this game, somehow too careful and I am also not fully set in here, but I try to form reads whenever I can

Anyway what if Ted and you are scum?

I will drop this post and I need 2 more pages.
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Cooooooo! (Okosan mentioned in his reads on D2 how Gambit was just town, and how scum didn't really want to jump in on that early argument that day even though it was "scummy" because it would reflect badly on them later for pushing the easy mislynch. He probably listed other things, though Okosan can't remember how much he posted in thread and how much Okosan just kept in his notes)

COOO? (Nobody even tried to direct the thread in a new direction really. Which if Gambit was scum in that scenario, and the two teammates didn't want to publicly read Gambit town to help, is what they should've been doing)
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Coooo! (It's why Okosan is pretty sure both are just town. Unless mafia has that much faith their partner can come out on top in that argument. Which feels very iffy)
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COO! (We literally just need to lynch any of Wai, Ted, or Oreki today. All of them have been on the leading wagon lynching town. Those three all voted Gambit last, which if they were scum following the plan that Okosan posted is when they would have felt comfortable voting. And Okosan still scum reads the first two in the first place. With Oreki just being null at the moment)

Your Gambit read on D2 was refering to his D1, didn't it?
I see, are you fully active this DP?

Wai, Ted, Oreki

Who is the scummiest out of them? And what are you backup reads?

Fam I don't know anymore who is town

 

[Oreki]

So you also see Drago as an option? That's good. Because I feel we're finally coming to a common suspect. Drago and Sam could be buddies given their dynamics.

For this phase no... I see Samael more of an option and Rej just dropped one hell of scummy post now.

 

[Rej]

That would be a good show, but nah.

If Shottie is Town:

Drago distanced himself from her lynch.
Rej is capitalizing on her being pissed at me to cause a mislynch.

If Shottie is scum:

She saw through my trick and is trying to make that backfire on me.
Drago is still distancing.
Rej is using this to team up with his buddy and convince Ted of me being scum. This would help scum if Ted is Town because as Shottie said Ted is leading. So she knows how influential Ted is this game. You can also see how she is twisting everything I say to make me seem scummy.


Rej was on both wagons, Drago was distanced from both.

Sam became my third option because he was jumping on the Shottie train and is playing his scum meta. Although only in the former case.
Because the latter would not include him in the scum team.

I really dislike how you only see Black, because you just want to see the Black. But where is the white?
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For this phase no... I see Samael more of an option and Rej just dropped one hell of scummy post now.

ebolarate please
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there is currently no person that is universally townread by everyone, do I see it right?
this is a disaster that should be changed this DP

 

[Waindo]

Who's Black? Pls use TB usernames.
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I am leaning ok with you rn, I think the pressure helped you, I just can't credit all your reads and all the cases, Stray just flipflopped this DP

no just no





that is Drago for ya kappa

@Stray Cat lemme pick what I can and how it fits my time ok? I just started to get some time again

short about Sam: you used a heavy meta read/comparison here, I like it and I also would like to hear a direct answer from @Samael to this case. I am trash in buddy-buddy analysis but it would explain what Sam did in D1. I want more about ted on this case. Do you have more? (I mean I'll see when backtracking)

I am not buddying with ted, I suspect him but I try to clarify him in my own way
I dont buddy Shottie, I just like her energy and her cases, people here are always free to change my mind about someone

I don't know I somehow can't connect with @Dragomir as before, he is one of those who shows a different energy this game, somehow too careful and I am also not fully set in here, but I try to form reads whenever I can

Anyway what if Ted and you are scum?

I will drop this post and I need 2 more pages.
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Your Gambit read on D2 was refering to his D1, didn't it?
I see, are you fully active this DP?

Wai, Ted, Oreki

Who is the scummiest out of them? And what are you backup reads?

Fam I don't know anymore who is town

Now I'm suddenly scummy?

 

[Stray Cat]

I really dislike how you only see Black, because you just want to see the Black. But where is the white?
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ebolarate please
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there is currently no person that is universally townread by everyone, do I see it right?
this is a disaster that should be changed this DP

Well, I'm wearing shades right now, so I see everything in a dark light.
Also, I don't see anyone other than Drago suspecting Michelle, so she's still a good universal Town read.

I'm not trusting anyone else rn. Also, I think I can't post anymore this DP.

But I don't feel good about Shottie pushing for Wai and Oreki. Literally nobody suspects them and due to the mislynches they are low hanging fruits and easy to push. Doubt scums would make themselves such obvious targets.

Don't feel good about Sam and Drago. And I'm having my doubts about you ngl. But I feel like doubts are natural at this stage.

 

[Michelle]

And see you tunnel him for a 3rd day? Better to put him out of his misery.

Ugly way to talk about letting a townie die when you could explain and mediate itt in town's favour.

that is Drago for ya kappa

expand your thoughts, i can't read your mind

there is currently no person that is universally townread by everyone

no one. Paranoia started in day 1

 

[Waindo]

Well, I'm wearing shades right now, so I see everything in a dark light.
Also, I don't see anyone other than Drago suspecting Michelle, so she's still a good universal Town read.

I'm not trusting anyone else rn. Also, I think I can't post anymore this DP.

But I don't feel good about Shottie pushing for Wai and Oreki. Literally nobody suspects them and due to the mislynches they are low hanging fruits and easy to push. Doubt scums would make themselves such obvious targets.

Don't feel good about Sam and Drago. And I'm having my doubts about you ngl. But I feel like doubts are natural at this stage.

Just rewind and see who rolled that sus on me. Teddy.
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Whoever missed the mud fight between Stray and Shottie, Shottie was here agitated and in defence until 4 AM. (her timezone)

In what dimension is that a town Shottie?

 

[Stray Cat]

Just rewind and see who rolled that sus on me. Teddy.
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Whoever missed the mud fight between Stray and Shottie, Shottie was here agitated and in defence until 4 AM. (her timezone)

In what dimension is that a town Shottie?

The other thing iffy about her is that Rej was on the mislynch wagons, too, and she apparently suspects him, yet ignores that he was on the wagons for some reason.

And guess who buddied her when she was suspecting me this DP. Rej. Now he's backpedalling on that, but I'm willing to hear him out first, of course.