[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 7: Final Fantasy XII- The Mafia Age

[Oreki]

Just for the heads up... every reasoning doesn't need to flesh out to be right... if a few points match that's all you need.
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Well, there are like twelve of us left. So this would not be enough to pinpoint the culprit, on the other hand, @Rej What I don't understand is why you would think that scum will kill Dragomir just because they felt pressured? Surely a player like yourself would not only use this as a reason to lynch someone.

So much for thinking Drago had substance

It feels weird to hear someone say it like that. Er... Who do you suspect? Do you think the sus train on Mat is whether good or bad? If there is something that you want to add, then tell us what. To that end, I want to hear your side of the story regarding Mat

 

[Normalizer]

It seems people voted Mat because Dragomir sus him before he died. I'll look for another candidate.

Vote Mat D. Bizzo

 

[Naomi]

I'll just say this, when i find out who killed Nova, (the coward)

I'll make sure i am not nice to you every game.

This means war!

 

[Pepper]

Just for the heads up... every reasoning doesn't need to flesh out to be right... if a few points match that's all you need.
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Well, there are like twelve of us left. So this would not be enough to pinpoint the culprit, on the other hand, @Rej What I don't understand is why you would think that scum will kill Dragomir just because they felt pressured? Surely a player like yourself would not only use this as a reason to lynch someone.


It feels weird to hear someone say it like that. Er... Who do you suspect? Do you think the sus train on Mat is whether good or bad? If there is something that you want to add, then tell us what. To that end, I want to hear your side of the story regarding Mat

Well regarding Mat, I do feel that they're not a bad lynch per say. They had posts phase that are mainly fluff and a reason to lynch Hayumi that doesn't hold much ground. I wouldn't say Mat seems all that trustworthy. Though, if anything regarding the sus train I share similar thoughts on Rej in regards to scum killing Drago because of being pressured, it seems unlikely to me.
For that I can't help but raise an eyebrow at Rej

 

[Naomi]

Though if this vanilla from rechecking..ugh

Then dragomir, got his karma, since no motivator in vanilla set up?
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beside jesters.

 

[Oreki]

I'll just say this, when i find out who killed Nova, (the coward)

I'll make sure i am not nice to you every game.

This means war!

90% chances that Drago killed Nova if Vigilante abstains. Since Drago can't kill himself
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Well regarding Mat, I do feel that they're not a bad lynch per say. They had posts phase that are mainly fluff and a reason to lynch Hayumi that doesn't hold much ground. I wouldn't say Mat seems all that trustworthy. Though, if anything regarding the sus train I share similar thoughts on Rej in regards to scum killing Drago because of being pressured, it seems unlikely to me.
For that I can't help but raise an eyebrow at Rej

Although Rej explained his reason why he voted Mat but it lacks any real substance, I doubt Matt would kill Drago just because he was afraid of him. it was precisely that reasoning that made it so suspicious. Rej might be right about that, sure enough, the chances are very thin.

 

[Gambit]

Vote Oreki


he is the prime suspect to Novas death.. He mentioned foul play but for me its wifom

 

[Oreki]

Lol
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@Stray Cat are we getting sub for God Usopun?

 

[Pepper]

Vote Oreki


he is the prime suspect to Novas death.. He mentioned foul play but for me its wifom

Mm not quite seeing that personally

 

[Naomi]

Srsly Mich? Shade throwing this early on?

Interesting, Michelle sheeped Nova vote, after Waindo called her shading him early on.

This is roughly where I'm at right now

Naomi
Normalizer
Ryu Kishi
Michelle
Pepper
Rej
Mat D Bizzo
Dragomir
God_Usopun
Gambit
Nana
Hayumi
Waindo
Oreki

What?.

@Naomi i never wrote something like that

@Oreki Nova never cleared you. As will see.

I'd put him in the orange pile for now I think, his frustration in the long exchange is kind of giving me pause a bit, it felt genuine. More like a townie annoyed of being suspected for what he believes to be stupid reasons rather than scum annoyed at being caught. There seem to be a small cultural clash and also misunderstanding about like shit flinging and generating reads immediately to get stuff going.

It's not completely alignment indicative though, could be another kind of scum frustration and just part of his range. I didn't like how he was wishy washy in regards to his read on me when we were interactive, feels like he tried first to softly push an angle that I'm pushing from scum PoV so that I'm scum but then it went nowhere. I'm not sure exactly where he landed, and his handling of Naomi is still a bad look for me.

Your still in the orange pile @Oreki As Nova still sus you.

Hayumi's wagon has gained zero resistance but more and more support over time. Someone in there is scum. I'm betting on Mat.

Dragomir the one who sus Hayumi.

It's interesting to note

Dragomir died by mafia
Now Mat is being lynched next day.

They both voted Hayumi last day phase!

Since mat in leading lynch, I can't tell for sure if he scum, but the fact two people who sus hayumi end up dead,or on lynch wagon.

Actuay if Hayumi still don't share reads from what i see..
@Hayumi can you share town reads and scum reads please?

why are you asking her??

I read back, and hayumi just answered, more and sheep voted to save themselves from dying. which does not look good after seeing dragomir (who Nova read as town, end up dead by mafia or vig?)

This is the world I'm in right now. PoE of Waindo/Oreki/Hayumi/Nana/GU and Pepper. Hayumi is trending up right now, I feel mostly good across the board in the town bloc, Gambit/Rej aren't part of it but feel good level.

Naomi
Normalizer
Ryu Kishi
Michelle
Dragomir
Rej
Gambit
God_Usopun
Pepper
Nana
Hayumi
Mat D Bizzo
Oreki
Waindo

I don't know if I could single out one, which is the problem. Rej is forever a wild card, Nana hadn't said much like me earlier game, but just now threw a little sus on Oreki for a pretty basic thing imo, out of all the things she could have found sus about him and now has me like weary, and then there's Waindo who is acting off to me, and ussop simply because of complete inactivity. It's a hell of a toss up.

Awwww your still in orange pile @Oreki

You for the lols

Mat... simply because I don't like how he was suspecting me and yes I hated his reason to core

Besides Mat, there was also Nova, and also dragomir asking his Nova about you as possible scum lean.

But of course, dragomir went for Nova it looks like, can't be mad since karma happen! (though if it was vig..good grief) But with Nova voting wai at end, looked like scum to other player.

I didn't read the thread well but from current suspects Hayumi seems to have interacted with a lot of ppl
Their lynch might be info valuable

jeez, already scum lean with this.

I don't like Hayumi's vote on Drago tbh

I don't like Nana's tone but maybe is me and idk her..

Hayumi vote was because dragomir sus, but he turned out dead. and now Mat (well i guess will get read, once see mat flip)

How about you sheeping Wai, after he called you out.

To be honest you seem less active and not even scum hunting..

Go back to this if I kick the buck

Lock Ryu, Naomi, Michelle and Drago as town. Godspeed

He got dragomir and wai wrong,

Michelle and hayumi not looking good for me now.

Final Vote Count:

Nova - Dragomir > Oreki > Waindo
Michelle - Gambit > Nana > Waindo
Naomi - Gambit > *
Dragomir - Hayumi
Normalizer - Nana
Mat - Hayumi
Gambit - Nana > *
Hayumi - Oreki > Waindo


Nana: 1
Hayumi: 2
Waindo: 3

Hayumi,Michelle possible team, just from relooking back and seeing how two people died

wai-called out michelle shading him (she sheep voted him)
Hayumi-sheep voted Wai, (they had 2 votes on them, so they needed to cap other player not to die.. but with sus dragomir death and now mat?

If mat flips mafia, Hayumi in the clear,imo. If he flips town. not in the clear.

 

[Oreki]

Besides Mat, there was also Nova, and also dragomir asking his Nova about you as possible scum lean.

I didn't like his reason...
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Voters

Oreki > Mat D. Bizzo
Hayumi > Mat D. Bizzo
Naomi > Oreki
Rej > Mat D. Bizzo
Normalizer > Mat D. Bizzo
Gambit > Oreki

Votes

Mat D. Bizzo - 4
Oreki - 2

Non-Voters

Nana
Pepper
Mat D. Bizzo
God_Usopun
Ryu Kishi
Michelle

Spoiler

Vote Lynch Mat

Vote Lynch Mat

Vote Lynch Oreki

Vote lynch Mat D. Bizzo

Vote Mat D. Bizzo

Vote Oreki

 

[Naomi]

some of the quotes got mixed up (extra to people replied to above)

Gambit - good
Nana - good
Rej - bad
Oreki - good
Dragomir - bad
Naomi - good
novaselinenever - great
Waindo - good
Pepper - good
Mat D. Bizzo - bad
God_Usopun - good
Ryu Kishi - good
Normalizer - good
Michelle - good
Hayumi - bad

Hmmm with Nova reading mat scum, possible mat is scum. But he also got wai and dragomir (read incorrect)

Then the thing with Hayumi, suspicious. Since dragomir sus her and then mat followed. As they both voted Hayumi.

So either way will see mat flip, You can't say the excuse of misslynch the next day.

Vote Hayumi next day if mat flips town, That's not coincidence.

But if mafia, then my sus of situation will drop.

ya girls talking about my booty? it's pretty big..

kidding aside, Naomi, do you try to build a tunnel for me? I don't seem to like it.. And if you are trolling, It doesn't seem like you are

You opened up with kidding aside, so what ever you say next you mean it, enough ghosting playing dumb. Your still not of the hook.

You see the part after you stated kidding aside, then opened up with lie about me tunneling you when i was trolling. then for extra shade you give the idea it dosen't seem like you are.

You see, in start i was trolling you. But your reaction raised my suspicion after!


now next

What?.

@Naomi i never wrote something like that

Again you deflect, they are mention your reaction. which i just pointed out, and everyone saw.

You did write that!!

You and Oreki, one of you is scum but with you pretending not to notice what you said, then go back on what you.

I see you both scum.

Vote Oreki


he is the prime suspect to Novas death.. He mentioned foul play but for me its wifom

Lol
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@Stray Cat are we getting sub for God Usopun?

Like this will throw off sus, when mat in lead.

So tell me @Gambit, why are you going back on what you said, then deny saying it? You and oreki seem to be suffering from the same symptom of forgetfulness!
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Pepper- Town read,
Normalizer Trying to solve game, leans town.
Ryu--hmmm
Mat-- possible mafia/town? Though since he was one people voting hayumi (if she is town) then possible mafia, but since dragomir dead, and he next possible he town.. won't know for sure. but situation is sus.
God Usopp-probably be replaced/subbed out.
Michelle- sheeped wai vote, reading back wai called her out on her shading him! That is sus, as why she on near red list.
Hayumi-- two people voted her, dragomir (dead) Mat (current lynch) Remember there no coincidence if two people die from same sus! will see what mat flips, to clear sus of hayumi.
Nana--scum lean
Oreki- With Nova and dragomir, curious about him, Nova not clearing him. Probably Oreki.. still not in clear..
Gambit-- forgets what he says, shading people then deny's it.
Rej--Coasting scum, would not be surprised if he flips jester at this point or mafia.

 

[Mat D. Bizzo]

This literally earns the award for most scummy post of the thread so far. You randomly vote me after Drago makes a little case.


Oh really? And the post above was all you said about me before you tried to wagon drago, and now you are determined I'm scum? You are clearly reaching at best. Or are simply that much of a noob. Either way
Vote Lynch Mat

Me? A noob? Me? Hahahahahahahaha
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[Naomi]

2 outcomes am thinking more on.

one is.

1. Vig shot Nova
2. Dragomir attacked someone else,

3. Dragomir Died by mafia. (hayumi/Oreki sus)


second is

1. Dragomir killed Nova
2. Mafia killed Dragomir (he sus Hayumi/Oreki)


Though it's possible,

Dragomir went after scum, and Attacked who Nova sus.

Though no evidence on that, as looks like only dragomir did indeed kill Nova atm.

 

[Michelle]

Good morning. Naomi complains i wasn't active while sleeping? smh

Oh good luck to us that a sk is gone

Sk being dead then probably mafia killing him

And nova probably got killed by drago

I doubt a vig would shoot at night 1


Got a lot to catch up to rip

Nana comes and gives the similar guess like Rej but with other words. Noted. Idk what to do with this.

I think if doctor heal/bodyguard guard someone or someone gets roleblocked, the host will mention something like "an attempt to kill ??? fails" at the start of DP or something like that.

Idk. This is not a norm.

The point is you asked that question when gambit had one post.... so I wanna know why? You're here ignoring that... future post doesn't matter because you didn't asked the question after those posts

wow, just wow.
Your are scum.

Can you explain me where comes from this conclusion? I would like more than the bolded tbh

I said it in my other post

Mafia killed Drago probably
And he killed Nova

So we gotta think who would benefit or who would kill Drago as mafia ?

If the NKs guess is correct, probably the fact Drago played well enough to receive town read from Nova made he a fear kill and mafia let Nova live because he made a mislynch.

So mafia killed SK (Drago) and Drago killed Nova(townie). it is possible. Vigilante usually doesn't shoot on D1 but there might be other scenario.

There are already too many oppinions for this NK guess, i doubt all come from mafia. if any...

it is the most logical way of thinking

Also Drago wasn't acting fishy much to be vigged on n1

Who did Drago sus ? Mafia could felt threatened

most probably. he sussed a lot of people, including me. But he came with a correct read after all about me. I am always sensitive at this and thought he is just super active as town.

@Oreki Don't reply to me scumbag. If your only response is auto repeat the same question to deflect suspicion from you.

Lol i wanna know why, do you always give gambit pass when he cry's protect? Then turns and flips scum later.

Please stop replying to me if you only know how to repeat

dur,dur

"I want to know why."



btw encase play stupid again, i alraedy explained opinion, for other reason on reactions. But you saying gambit is pass town because he claimed town?

get the fuck out here, your both scum imo.

Looks like no matter what he will say, the bolded shows you made up your mind about his slot. I think you have too many scum and suspicions.

If Vig did not shot last phase we can only assume that Mafia went for Drago since this is the only scenario makes sense
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I seriously have no idea when I said gambit is a town... Naomi are you sure we're reading the same game

Now i have to search for this -_-

Cuz mafia killed obviously novas and the SK shot himself in his ass

here Nana figured it out
you guys really need to get your brain running
FOS on Ryu and Michelle for not knowing
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finally someone who got what I said! townie point!

Fos on me? You come in the day and present the NKs like you have TMI and Fos people who dislikes this?
What if you play seriously this game? How much would hurt?

Not that I don't see why people sus Mat, but I'm not sure about the "Drago was killed by a pressured scum" angle as the reasoning. Sure it could be right but it also feels like people are jumping on it rather easily

I like this approach

I'll just say this, when i find out who killed Nova, (the coward)

I'll make sure i am not nice to you every game.

This means war!

Everyone says Drago killed Nova. Good luck to fight with Drago

90% chances that Drago killed Nova if Vigilante abstains. Since Drago can't kill himself
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Although Rej explained his reason why he voted Mat but it lacks any real substance, I doubt Matt would kill Drago just because he was afraid of him. it was precisely that reasoning that made it so suspicious. Rej might be right about that, sure enough, the chances are very thin.

Don't you forget that mafia is an entire team?

Vote Oreki


he is the prime suspect to Novas death.. He mentioned foul play but for me its wifom

Why bolding all and playing so little? Don't give me the you dislike to be villager answer.

Mm not quite seeing that personally

mindmeld with Pepper here.

Interesting, Michelle sheeped Nova vote, after Waindo called her shading him early on.

Here is a mistake. Waindo asked something for a post who has zero shade in it
Let's check the chain of posts

Gambit said:
Dropping by to say.....
Spoiler

+1 i'll unvote at +10

Ryu Kishi said:
Oh snap game started.

Sup?

pretty isolated but good. You?

Waindo said:
Is this. No. I thought this is the signup thread lol.

this is it!

Srsly Mich? Shade throwing this early on?

Where is the shade, what he called out?

why are you asking her??

Because i needed her oppinion for the game. If i didn't receive an answer I would vote her. @Hayumi please tell me, some people call you she some he. Please tell me your correct pronouns because i forgot (sumimasen)

Hayumi vote was because dragomir sus, but he turned out dead. and now Mat (well i guess will get read, once see mat flip)

How about you sheeping Wai, after he called you out.

To be honest you seem less active and not even scum hunting..

I was sheeping Nova not Wai and he didn't call me, he fished for an answer. Idk how come you don't see this.
Sorry if i wasn't scumhinting in sleep.

He got dragomir and wai wrong,

Michelle and hayumi not looking good for me now.

Don't link me randomly please, besides your reasoning is wrong. Starting from Nova was wrong about Waindo you think he was always wrong?
He was wrong about Drago but if you believe mafia killed Drago that means he was pretty townish imo.

Hayumi,Michelle possible team, just from relooking back and seeing how two people died

wai-called out michelle shading him (she sheep voted him)
Hayumi-sheep voted Wai, (they had 2 votes on them, so they needed to cap other player not to die.. but with sus dragomir death and now mat?

If mat flips mafia, Hayumi in the clear,imo. If he flips town. not in the clear.

Already the third time when you repeat the bolded. Like you want to implement a train of thought .
Your post is so full of wifom, what makes you think like that?
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ay.. sorry for the wall

 

[Naomi]

@Michelle I see you on early before.

Btw, all you had to do was clear first misunderstanding instead of what you just did. Problem solved!

 

[Mat D. Bizzo]

This literally earns the award for most scummy post of the thread so far. You randomly vote me after Drago makes a little case.


Oh really? And the post above was all you said about me before you tried to wagon drago, and now you are determined I'm scum? You are clearly reaching at best. Or are simply that much of a noob. Either way
Vote Lynch Mat

1. That was a pressure vote, we do it all the time, and there was substance though, in this regard, square up everyone else that placed votes on players in the last d.p, or is it just you who feels like their position is threatened huh, dont just omgus, noob...

But what's this, I...tried to wagon Drago? Drago the s.k? I dont care if he flipped s.k or not, he had a point, we've been around long enough in Trad to know what fluffers flip.. you ont fluff in Trad, noob. Lmao, randomly voted for you? I dont randomly vote, "little case?" ... look at all this super content:

I love being a townie so much~ good luck everyone and hey there

cute.

Are you in it as well?

it's already too spicy for me, and the game just started
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Interesting that you point this out. Maybe some lowkey role deflection?

Damn. There's so many possible jesters this game

Hey there! And yah, I'd say town is my preference.

Correct

why hello Drago

*Whispers back* No, although I have a special skill that allows me to see your scum group pm!! Give up now!

You caught me. I AM a naughty girl most days.


P.S on a real note, I'm at work and will reply and post when I get the chance and don't have to worry about my manager jumping me.

wow this is moving super slowly.

Huh? Who voted for you again? I don't feel like looking for it

What chat? They voted for gambit at the start of the game I think.
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They probably just wanted to pressure him a little bit

Unfortunately not yet, as these hopefully won't be my last

Fluff on like page four when nobody was saying anything of substance?

....cool beans..

... lets ingnore that you randmoly sheeped the last lynch and capped it. That was a silly lynch, surprised at how you easily sheeped like that... let me help you peer into Peter's psyche a lil bit here, that s.o.b Novas was going to use the lynch factional flip to determine the scum on that lynch train, you bit in too hard, .. smfh noob. You still have denial issues, what was your case in me voting you again? I have laid mine bare.. stfu and stop being so aggressive, is scummy.

I found this, Dragomir suspected @Mat D. Bizzo

Vote lynch Mat D. Bizzo

Haahahahaha probbly, I'll not contest this lynch just so the clear scums on this wagon get clapped. wtf kind of reasoning is this Rej? This is the scummiest reason to justify a lynch ive seen in a while... lmao like wtf is this shitty reasoning?

@Oreki you are my case for this d.p....Lets ignore the fact that Novas had you scummy for a second, lets also ignore that over defensive aggro back and forth you had with Novas. That hit on Novas was kinda super risky. The people who are omgus-ing that it was drago who hit Peter are scum, this was a silencing hit. I potentially believe that Oreki followed through on Novas cause he had narrowed him down...

Vote Lynch Mat

??The fuck is this for??


I still want to know why I am being sussed... where are the fucking facts??? F.A.C.T.S??

 

[Oreki]

@Oreki you are my case for this d.p....Lets ignore the fact that Novas had you scummy for a second, lets also ignore that over defensive aggro back and forth you had with Novas. That hit on Novas was kinda super risky. The people who are omgus-ing that it was drago who hit Peter are scum, this was a silencing hit. I potentially believe that Oreki followed through on Novas cause he had narrowed him down...

 

[Mat D. Bizzo]

You for the lols

Mat... simply because I don't like how he was suspecting me and yes I hated his reason to core

lmao.... lmfao. This isnt even omgus.

Vote: Lynch Oreki

 

[Oreki]

Mat voting for the person who is the second most possible lynch what can be scummy than that
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@Mat D. Bizzo how being defensive is bad thing?