[FIN] Traditional Mafia Round 7: Final Fantasy XII- The Mafia Age

[Normalizer]

I don't see what's the connection between this post and the one i quoted, see below the chain.
I don't think the reasoning in your post is bad though

Do you town read Naomi/Juliet, Rej and Nana and if so, why? @Normalizer

For reason, maybe because Dragomir died after he sus Mat.
Mat also sus two people who sus him (me and Rej)
I think he is experienced player so he might know how dangerous Nova, Dragomir(I know he is SK but mafia doesn't know which one is SK or townie, what they know is everyone apart from their fellow mafias are non mafia which can be townie or independent as in SK), Oreki and Gambit are

Nana and Rej are townie imo.
Neutral on Naomi/Juliet

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Why?go back to Naomis older posts and pick me a scummy one and point out why
She is like 100% meta town imho.

The fact that only two people voted for oreki and it ended up equalling 4 means Naomi/Juliet can manipulate votes.

 

[Nana]

Why?go back to Naomis older posts and pick me a scummy one and point out why
She is like 100% meta town imho.

Not really
Her play last day was weird
And nothing to indicate on first day that she is 100% town

 

[Pepper]

Not really
Her play last day was weird
And nothing to indicate on first day that she is 100% town

Yeah Naomi seemed a little too aggressive in their posts for me

 

[Hayumi]

I had to read this again and you said you ended the day with no vote and was expecting Mat to be lynched and flip scum only to see Oreki get mislynched instead. Why did you unvote Mat when you said you were expecting him to be lynched and flip scum?
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Was this a typo or?
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Why unvote a player expecting them to be lynched and flip scum or unvote them and expecting them to be town? Let's say x and y were your main suspicion both leading the wagon and your vote was on player x, you were not sure on x flipping scum so then wouldn't it make more sense to vote y instead of watching x get lynched for not being sure on x flipping scum?

I meant to say hoping not expecting, but I wasn't sure on what either of them would flip, which is part of the reason that I unvoted Mat, coupled with the fact I didn't like the quick wagon formed. But I thought mat would be lynched anyways until someone manipulated votes. And the fact that Naomi/you tried to paint a picture that if mat flips town, I should automatically be next is pretty ridiculous, and honestly if mat flips town, You/Naomi should be the next ones to be lynched, because you're the only other one who voted for Oreki besides Gambit who is confirmed vanilla, so if mat is somehow not scum and the one who manipulated votes, I'm pretty sure YOU were, and even if he flips scum you're still not safe in my eyes, since Naomi was pretty hard on Oreki over Mat and you could still be the one with vote manipulation power.

 

[Pepper]

After seeing it be brought up
Yeah if anyone else manipulated the votes, then it probably Naomi. I wouldn't say it makes them confirmed scum but it's still not a good look

 

[Normalizer]

After seeing it be brought up
Yeah if anyone else manipulated the votes, then it probably Naomi. I wouldn't say it makes them confirmed scum but it's still not a good look

Can you tell me what happened? Manipulating vote meaning that someone who should get lynched didn't get lynched?

Maybe he/she has ability to dodge a lynch?

 

[Juliet]

The fact that only two people voted for oreki and it ended up equalling 4 means Naomi/Juliet can manipulate votes.

I meant to say hoping not expecting, but I wasn't sure on what either of them would flip, which is part of the reason that I unvoted Mat, coupled with the fact I didn't like the quick wagon formed. But I thought mat would be lynched anyways until someone manipulated votes. And the fact that Naomi/you tried to paint a picture that if mat flips town, I should automatically be next is pretty ridiculous, and honestly if mat flips town, You/Naomi should be the next ones to be lynched, because you're the only other one who voted for Oreki besides Gambit who is confirmed vanilla, so if mat is somehow not scum and the one who manipulated votes, I'm pretty sure YOU were, and even if he flips scum you're still not safe in my eyes, since Naomi was pretty hard on Oreki over Mat and you could still be the one with vote manipulation power.

After seeing it be brought up
Yeah if anyone else manipulated the votes, then it probably Naomi. I wouldn't say it makes them confirmed scum but it's still not a good look

Are you guys using your head or are some of you scum throwing shade on my slot just for being on the Oreki lynch? You are suspecting my slot for being a vote manipulator. If it's not Mat who who used a lynch redirect ability, then this means scum have secret hidden vote power who can randomly use it on players. What would be the point of a scum Naomi killing Gambit at night when that would make her look bad for being the only suspect alive who voted Oreki and a scum Naomi using a vote manipulation on Oreki looks so bad of a move to use it's a waste to use it on a player when Naomi wasn't even a lynch candidate. Whoever killed Gambit this means they killed him to frame my slot into thinking Naomi is the vote manipulator. There was nothing towny in Gambit's posts and I recall Naomi was scum reading both Oreki and Gambit.

I want to see the Mat lynch if he really is the lynch redirector and if he is not then that means Hayumi is definitely scum for suggesting to lynch me next day phase since this looks like Hayumi is tming. I saw it so strange on day 1 Hayumi voted Oreki and then he switches to Waindo. Day 2 Hayumi votes Mat instead of Oreki who was his main suspect on day 1. Hayumi not voting Oreki on day 2 looked like to me he did not want to get on Oreki's bad side since Oreki voted Mat instead of Hayumi. I also saw it weird Hayumi unvoted Mat for not being sure Mat will flip scum but he didn't go back to his suspicion on Oreki and not vote Oreki instead. Hayumi's approach in this game reminds me of his scum play he did at Rej's trad game where scum Hayumi unvoted a town player who had the most votes.

 

[Hayumi]

Are you guys using your head or are some of you scum throwing shade on my slot just for being on the Oreki lynch? You are suspecting my slot for being a vote manipulator. If it's not Mat who who used a lynch redirect ability, then this means scum have secret hidden vote power who can randomly use it on players. What would be the point of a scum Naomi killing Gambit at night when that would make her look bad for being the only suspect alive who voted Oreki and a scum Naomi using a vote manipulation on Oreki looks so bad of a move to use it's a waste to use it on a player when Naomi wasn't even a lynch candidate. Whoever killed Gambit this means they killed him to frame my slot into thinking Naomi is the vote manipulator. There was nothing towny in Gambit's posts and I recall Naomi was scum reading both Oreki and Gambit.

I want to see the Mat lynch if he really is the lynch redirector and if he is not then that means Hayumi is definitely scum for suggesting to lynch me next day phase since this looks like Hayumi is tming. I saw it so strange on day 1 Hayumi voted Oreki and then he switches to Waindo. Day 2 Hayumi votes Mat instead of Oreki who was his main suspect on day 1. Hayumi not voting Oreki on day 2 looked like to me he did not want to get on Oreki's bad side since Oreki voted Mat instead of Hayumi. I also saw it weird Hayumi unvoted Mat for not being sure Mat will flip scum but he didn't go back to his suspicion on Oreki and not vote Oreki instead. Hayumi's approach in this game reminds me of his scum play he did at Rej's trad game where scum Hayumi unvoted a town player who had the most votes.

1. Naomi did the EXACT same thing to me at the start of last dp though, so you can't blame me for not trusting you one bit. If mat somehow flips town, this is a gg anyways, but him flipping town shouldn't automatically make me scum like Naomi was implying. 2. I specifically said I wasn't sure between them though. Why would I tie the votes up between Oreki and Mat intentionally, by voting Oreki, when I was leaning more towards mat anyways. Mat was supposed to be the one lynched either way, and then the votes somehow ended up getting manipulated.

 

[Pepper]

Can you tell me what happened? Manipulating vote meaning that someone who should get lynched didn't get lynched?

Maybe he/she has ability to dodge a lynch?

Pretty much though if was simply dodging a lynch then we would've been told that the lynch failed, here Oreki was lynched despite having fewer votes than Mat

 

[Rej]

The fact that only two people voted for oreki and it ended up equalling 4 means Naomi/Juliet can manipulate votes.

a multivoter? Thats scummy. I missed the fact that it got doubled from 2 to 4. Lemme check the vote count.
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Not really
Her play last day was weird
And nothing to indicate on first day that she is 100% town

So she might be a multivoter? You like that theory?

 

[Juliet]

1. Naomi did the EXACT same thing to me at the start of last dp though, so you can't blame me for not trusting you one bit. If mat somehow flips town, this is a gg anyways, but him flipping town shouldn't automatically make me scum like Naomi was implying. 2. I specifically said I wasn't sure between them though. Why would I tie the votes up between Oreki and Mat intentionally, by voting Oreki, when I was leaning more towards mat anyways. Mat was supposed to be the one lynched either way, and then the votes somehow ended up getting manipulated.

If Mat flips town that would actually make me cleared as town who is being framed. Scum Naomi using a vote manipulation on Oreki when she was never a lynch candidate last day and using a vote manipulation wanting to lynch Oreki so badly doesn't make sense for a scum move when in fact it would have made more sense for scum to use a vote manipulation for themselves to prevent themselves getting lynched. Also, me being scum with a vote manipulation I wouldn't kill Gambit who was also on the same lynch train. Instead, I would have kept Gambit alive and use him as a lynch candidate for being a vote manipulator. Even if you were still leaning more towards Mat being scum, then you should have still kept your vote on him. I don't understand why you would unvote Mat even if you still were saying you were leaning more towards him being scum.

 

[Pepper]

Are you guys using your head or are some of you scum throwing shade on my slot just for being on the Oreki lynch? You are suspecting my slot for being a vote manipulator. If it's not Mat who who used a lynch redirect ability, then this means scum have secret hidden vote power who can randomly use it on players. What would be the point of a scum Naomi killing Gambit at night when that would make her look bad for being the only suspect alive who voted Oreki and a scum Naomi using a vote manipulation on Oreki looks so bad of a move to use it's a waste to use it on a player when Naomi wasn't even a lynch candidate. Whoever killed Gambit this means they killed him to frame my slot into thinking Naomi is the vote manipulator. There was nothing towny in Gambit's posts and I recall Naomi was scum reading both Oreki and Gambit.

I want to see the Mat lynch if he really is the lynch redirector and if he is not then that means Hayumi is definitely scum for suggesting to lynch me next day phase since this looks like Hayumi is tming. I saw it so strange on day 1 Hayumi voted Oreki and then he switches to Waindo. Day 2 Hayumi votes Mat instead of Oreki who was his main suspect on day 1. Hayumi not voting Oreki on day 2 looked like to me he did not want to get on Oreki's bad side since Oreki voted Mat instead of Hayumi. I also saw it weird Hayumi unvoted Mat for not being sure Mat will flip scum but he didn't go back to his suspicion on Oreki and not vote Oreki instead. Hayumi's approach in this game reminds me of his scum play he did at Rej's trad game where scum Hayumi unvoted a town player who had the most votes.

Well I'm not 100% certain on my thoughts
Guess we'll just have to see how the Mat lynch goes

 

[Hayumi]

If Mat flips town that would actually make me cleared as town who is being framed. Scum Naomi using a vote manipulation on Oreki when she was never a lynch candidate last day and using a vote manipulation wanting to lynch Oreki so badly doesn't make sense for a scum move when in fact it would have made more sense for scum to use a vote manipulation for themselves to prevent themselves getting lynched. Also, me being scum with a vote manipulation I wouldn't kill Gambit who was also on the same lynch train. Instead, I would have kept Gambit alive and use him as a lynch candidate for being a vote manipulator. Even if you were still leaning more towards Mat being scum, then you should have still kept your vote on him. I don't understand why you would unvote Mat even if you still were saying you were leaning more towards him being scum.

My unvote shouldn't have effected the lynch at all though, I'm a townie, and I clearly had no idea the vote was manipulated, or there was even a mechanic like that in the game. If Mat flips scum, which he better, then I guess that will most likely solve our confusion.

 

[Normalizer]

Pretty much though if was simply dodging a lynch then we would've been told that the lynch failed, here Oreki was lynched despite having fewer votes than Mat

So someone manipulated votes. I think the sus beside Mat are people who voted Mat. 1 of them knew the vote can be manipulated so they didn't worry about voting Mat.

 

[Rej]

If Mat flips town that would actually make me cleared as town who is being framed. Scum Naomi using a vote manipulation on Oreki when she was never a lynch candidate last day and using a vote manipulation wanting to lynch Oreki so badly doesn't make sense for a scum move when in fact it would have made more sense for scum to use a vote manipulation for themselves to prevent themselves getting lynched. Also, me being scum with a vote manipulation I wouldn't kill Gambit who was also on the same lynch train. Instead, I would have kept Gambit alive and use him as a lynch candidate for being a vote manipulator. Even if you were still leaning more towards Mat being scum, then you should have still kept your vote on him. I don't understand why you would unvote Mat even if you still were saying you were leaning more towards him being scum.

especially since it appears in the EoD votecount it is most likely pro town, scum multivotes will rarely be shown on the EoD votecount
I hosted a 3 shot noble myself once
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Final Vote Count:

Oreki: Mat
Hayumi: Mat - Unvote
Naomi: Oreki
Rej: Mat - Gambit
Normalizer: Mat
Gambit: Oreki
Mat: Oreki - Unvote
Michelle: Normalizer
Ryu: Hayumi
Nana: Mat

Mat: 3
Oreki: 2 (4)
Gambit/Normalizer/Hayumi: 1.

Lynch incoming, somebody give me a filler, please.

Wait, so scum probably shot Gambit to frame Naomi?
I didn't even realize that the vote is 4.
Anyone thinks this could make sense?

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Too manipulate the vote don't you have to vote for the person?
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[Rej]

Too manipulate the vote don't you have to vote for the person?
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Naomi voted Oreki, look closer....

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Naomi voted Oreki, look closer....

She did but Juliet said her role didn't do it.

 

[Mat D. Bizzo]

juliet is scum. use your fucking heads, there is a difference between lynch deflection and vote manipulation. Also pay attention to my list.