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[Ziosa]

Regardless of the count of perks, we may offer a variety of DF, I think balancing and auto-cancel against a certain opponent are still the biggest issues that the GMs have in mind. I am trying to understand the situation on their end and it's involved in that.

And as much as we want a certain ability to be relative to real life and canon, it will be problematic if used on a certain one and it's becoming unfair if say Daddy-shame wouldn't be able to land a blow against a former version of Joby's.

It is similar to auto-hitting someone or becoming useless against someone. That's how I see it.

Demo, I still hold on to giving a special ability to those who obtain awakening or at least 100 in that department. I mean, if you really are a master of that fruit, then I say it's only understandable if you could at least add another one which is subject to approval to see if it's balanced.

So for Gomu at 100 stat points: you'd have +1. Awakening it, gives you more. But that's it. Albeit, it's only limited to immunity against Electricity and it's still not a big deal as they are not the only opponents you'd come across in the entire RP. If either Cross or whoever the future user of Gomu will be, they'd have a lot of trouble dealing with the likes of me or any destructive fruit users.

So for Magma vs Fire Fruit, I guess it's only safe to disregard the superiority of the former against the latter because we are already following a DPR system. However, with awakening, and you are able to engulf the entire island with volcanoes casting lavas in a speed of light shit, then I don't think superiority still matters there, it's how you'd escape the said attack with such AOE.

The bottom line is, yielding to the fundamental attribute of the element against the other would not harm if set to the highest level of attainment. After all, each of us is not limited to a lone skill. TBH, all of us are capable of figuring how to counter one another.

this, it also makes no sense that lightning does nothing to rubber; lower end yes, but enel was hitting him with powerful enough attacks that even he was immune to lighting, he should have taken damage from the heat.

if someone with 1 mastery in the gomu and 120 in the goro, the gomu would be complelty immune to alot of attacks the goro user would do as they involve electricity; even though the goro user should be able to do city level attacks at the minimum. Having a flat immunity doesnt allow for the user of that thing to do anything, if its just a high resistance they can at least play around it in some shape

I don't think complete immunity is a balance issue nor do I think it's unfair to Cross. There are other examples of this.

The heat fruit can go up to 10k degrees, the Fire or the Magma can NEVER burn him, ever, unless it's with Haki.

The Yuki will NEVER be able to freeze the Hie, or make him feel cold at all. No poison will ever work on Magellan. That's just how it is.

Plus the notion that Cross can't do anything is false. He can still shapeshift any metal into any shape, and make it hot. He can still move with the speed of lightning.. He can still pass through any metal to hide and come out at a different spot. There's still many uses. Not to mention, he can still use his Logia-ness in other efforts. For example, get a Reject Dial. You won't get hit by recoil due to your intangible body, you can spam Reject Dials all day long while also using it to absorb all of the Gomu user's blunt attacks. Get fire + breath dial combos for huge fire infernos, you can't be burned while the Gomu user can. Enel was also able to survive in outer space which means he doesn't need to breathe. So get gas dials and release poisons.

There's so many possibilities outside of spamming El Thor like a nutjob.

its not just about the goro, an entire MA in electro would be useless aside from the punch/claws itself. A resistance allows the user to take less damage but they cant just ignore an entire part of someones abilities. Also if we use canon, gomu can bypass the goro's logia without haki



i just dont think a full immunitiy is fun to have, when a resistance does a similar thing but doesnt stop the power from being useless or you need to get creative. to do full damage you would need to be creative, but its still an option etc

 

[Kaka]

Again, you're ignoring all the other examples. You're just slighting Gomu without really solving the whole issue. Yuki still can't do anything to Hie. Mera still can't do anything to Heat fruit. etc..

 

[Ebuk]

Then like @kakashi19283 said about Light not being bright no more, Sand itself is no longer sand when that befalls. LOL

Cross should be allergic to lightning. We need to keep the balance.

In all seriousness, doesn't it break the nature of the fruit ?
I mean with that logic, the Pika wouldn't be able to reflect like Kizaru did when he first appeared.

But I understand the reason of balancing. I just feel like logia will be made much stronger compared to certain paramecia. Like Ovens devil fruit vs Mera.

 

[Kaka]

Plus, for a forum RP that strives to be so realistic (you even had passage of time at some point), I don't understand why we can't also be realistic with powers. There are counters out there in the world. Sometimes you'll have the counter. Sometimes the opponent will. Learn to get around it, or flee.

They're rare occurrences anyway.
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Not to mention swordsmen (and there's many more swordsmen than there are Goro users) vs Buggy's fruit. Talk about a complete counter. How you gonna solve that? You mess with that, Buggy's whole fruit literally loses its whole power lol.

 

[Gambit]

Cross should be allergic to lightning. We need to keep the balance.

In all seriousness, doesn't it break the nature of the fruit ?
I mean with that logic, the Pika wouldn't be able to reflect like Kizaru did when he first appeared.

But I understand the reason of balancing. I just feel like logia will be made much stronger compared to certain paramecia. Like Ovens devil fruit vs Mera.

It's good to note that some things are being looked at by you guys because sometimes, it has to be seen from another outlook and think of a need to revamp the mechanics if needed.

 

[Ziosa]

if you want full immunity, it should require a perk, otherwise its just a large resistance

Again, you're ignoring all the other examples. You're just slighting Gomu without really solving the whole issue. Yuki still can't do anything to Hie. Mera still can't do anything to Heat fruit. etc..

im using gomu as its the most obvious one; Hie should have a high resistance to cold but wouldnt be immune to it. mera would resist heat so the heat fruit cant do much to them either.

Plus, for a forum RP that strives to be so realistic (you even had passage of time at some point), I don't understand why we can't also be realistic with powers. There are counters out there in the world. Sometimes you'll have the counter. Sometimes the opponent will. Learn to get around it, or flee.

They're rare occurrences anyway.

its still a counter, its just not one that means 'if you go against the user of this fruit you auto lose'. as thats not fun for anyone involved really. We can even up the resistance so someone would need to do attacks over like 4 tiers higher than their durability to do good damage, and if you can do that you should win anyway unless they have other stuff they use too. So its close to immunity as you would normall take like 0 damage from their attacks

 

[Ebuk]

Plus, for a forum RP that strives to be so realistic (you even had passage of time at some point), I don't understand why we can't also be realistic with powers. There are counters out there in the world. Sometimes you'll have the counter. Sometimes the opponent will. Learn to get around it, or flee.

They're rare occurrences anyway.
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Not to mention swordsmen (and there's many more swordsmen than there are Goro users) vs Buggy's fruit. Talk about a complete counter. How you gonna solve that? You mess with that, Buggy's whole fruit literally loses its whole power lol.

That's a great point. Some paramecia would be rendered powerless or lose an important aspect.
I understand balance for MZ, but for paramecia there needs to be a clear view on how to balance them with immunity.

 

[Kaka]

Don't even get me started on Kilo Kilo vs Ton Ton.

Literally the same fruit, but Kilo goes to 10 tons, while Ton goes to 1000 tons. How you gonna solve that? lol

There are just fruits out there that get countered or there's a literal upgrade to it elsewhere. It's what it is. Can't solve it. Tbh Goro doesn't even get countered nearly as much as some of these other examples.

 

[Ziosa]

Don't even get me started on Kilo Kilo vs Ton Ton.

Literally the same fruit, but Kilo goes to 10 tons, while Ton goes to 1000 tons. How you gonna solve that? lol

There are just fruits out there that get countered or there's a literal upgrade to it elsewhere. It's what it is. Can't solve it. Tbh Goro doesn't even get counted nearly as much as some of these other examples.

kilo allows you to kinda fly, but otherwise yeah in this case Ton Ton>>>Kilo Kilo; hard to solve that one

 

[Kaka]

We can even up the resistance so someone would need to do attacks over like 4 tiers higher than their durability to do good damage, and if you can do that you should win anyway unless they have other stuff they use too. So its close to immunity as you would normall take like 0 damage from their attacks

If someone can get 4 tiers higher than their opponent, there's likely such a level difference between the two that the Goro could win with just their MA + Haki + lightning speed anyway lol. At that point there's no issue anyway.
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Hie should have a high resistance to cold but wouldnt be immune to it. mera would resist heat so the heat fruit cant do much to them either.

It just doesn't work like that. You're actually starting to go into complete illogical territory if you go that direction.

Because if the Yuki at some point starts to make the Hie user cold, how does the Hie user even use their own power at that point? The moment they make more ice they'll start to feel even colder lmao...

It just doesn't make sense bro.

 

[Ebuk]

I really can't wait to get started so I can get used to stats and tier system here. It can be quite confusing for newcomers xD

 

[Ziosa]

If someone can get 4 tiers higher than their opponent, there's likely such a level difference between the two that the Goro could win with just their MA + Haki + lightning speed anyway lol. At that point there's no issue anyway.

yeah so its basically an immunity unless they have like all their stats in their DF and they use Haki. It still allows players to play around it a bit though

It just doesn't work like that. You're actually starting to go into complete illogical territory if you go that direction.

Because if the Yuki at some point starts to make the Hie user cold, how does the Hie user even use their own power at that point? The moment they make more ice they'll start to feel even colder lmao...

It just doesn't make sense bro.

i just dont like the idea of flat immunities in this kinda system

 

[Kaka]

They're not flat immunities for christ sake... xD

See this is the problem about DPR systems. It makes the whole community just start ''measuring their winnies'' if you know what I mean. It's all about which attack is larger and bigger and stronger. And there's no strategy to it.

I gave you like 10 different examples of how the Goro user could still fight very effectively against the Gomu even with full immunity. >_>

I personally would feel very confident with the Goro vs Gomu...

Shaping some metal into a hot sword and going Zoro on his ass with lightning speed. Easy pickings.

 

[Ziosa]

They're not flat immunities for christ sake... xD

See this is the problem about DPR systems. It makes the whole community just start ''measuring their winnies'' if you know what I mean. It's all about which attack is larger and bigger and stronger. And there's no strategy to it.

I gave you like 10 different examples of how the Goro user could still fight very effectively against the Gomu even with full immunity. >_>

I personally would feel very confident with the Goro vs Gomu...

Shaping some metal into a hot sword and going Zoro on his ass with lightning speed. Easy pickings.

the point is not everyone will do that sort of thing. and why have immunitity when its just high resistance that does the same job in 90% of scenarios

 

[Kaka]

the point is not everyone will do that sort of thing. and why have immunitity when its just high resistance that does the same job in 90% of scenarios

Because it doesn't make sense, that's why. xD

There's no amount of snow that'll make ice feel cold. It's just not happening lol. And it just goes into full retardness at some point. How's the opponent's snow making me feel cold but I can make tons of my own ice and it doesn't make me feel even colder.

Eh w/e lol I give up.

 

[Ebuk]

Question, if the Gomu user faces the Goro and let's say they are in the same stat bracket wouldn't the Gomu user be able to have a bit of resistant towards some attacks ?

Or they lose all their resistant to electricity aspect ?

 

[Ziosa]

Because it doesn't make sense, that's why. xD

There's no amount of snow that'll make ice feel cold. It's just not happening lol. And it just goes into full retardness at some point. How's the opponent's snow making me feel cold but I can make tons of my own ice and it doesn't make me feel even colder.

Eh w/e lol I give up.

im still on about gomu and goro, yuki vs hie is a seperate thing that i agree wouldnt make sense but is still dont thing the user can just ignore most of what the user of the yuki could do

 

[Kaka]

im still on about gomu and goro, yuki vs hie is a seperate thing that i agree wouldnt make sense but is still dont thing the user can just ignore most of what the user of the yuki could do

Hey I ain't the one claiming the Gomu/Hie could ignore everything. My whole point has been that they would just need to think outside the box, as I gave examples.

But as far as Yuki making the Hie feel cold, or the Goro electrocuting rubber, yes, they should be able to ignore it completely, as there is no other way. You either feel cold or you don't lol. Ice just doesn't feel cold. And rubber just doesn't conduct electricity. You got Haki, you got MA, make it work.
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Plus, if we don't listen to canon facts, that just opens the floodgates to all sorts of BS.

Cause then, the Mera Magu hierarchy is thrown out the window instantly. Did you know the maximum fire temperature is significantly higher than the maximum magma temperature?

 

[Ziosa]

if @Ranger agrees with all this ill concede the point lol

 

[Kaka]

if @Ranger agrees with all this ill concede the point lol

Just to be clear I don't mind either way. I don't have the Goro or the Gomu and it really doesn't affect me. xD

I just like discussing things. xD