Characters and Groups Who is the traitor?

[Salah Eddine]

Just checked chapter 920.
Original plan was reaching Zou only Raizo made it there. In DR they we're chased by Doflamingo. Doflamingo might have reported 4 of the 3 went to DR.

So it definetly fit with Kiku as Traitor.

You're right, good idea
Well my Guess is still Kanjurou, but you opened other possibilities for me

 

[Ghidorah Guy]

My only gripe with the whole Kiku-as-traitor theory? While very convincing....Kiku not only had ample opportunity to do whatever she wanted with Momo at Udon, but also basically helped bolster the Alliance's forces and upend Udon to boot. Something's def very off about Kiku, but I dunno if it's tied to betrayal for certain yet.

 

[DarkWitch]

Kanjuro still makes more sense as the traitor, he's the only one that knew certain rebels would be at the bath house. When "captured" by Doffy he wasn't turned into a toy, was perfectly fine when Kin'emon found him, and he's the only one that Doffy didn't put a bounty on during the birdcage. Even Kin'emon got a bounty, Doffy somehow knew about Momo being alive and also knew what he looked like. Also in chapter chapter 941 we see Yasuie talking to Kanjuro, Shinobu and a few of the SHs about wanting to help out the rebellion and then in the next chapter we find out that he got captured. Yasuie was never caught before for a long time, and then he suddenly gets captured only after speaking to Kanjuro, Shinobu, and a few of the SHs.

Kanjuro is also the only scabbard who so far hasn't gotten that much focus other than Denjiro, and unlike the other scabbards Kanjuro is the only one that so far hasn't really done that much. In the beginning of the Wano arc Kanjuro was at the flower capital in disguise pretending to be a fishmonger, that's pretty much it. Kanjuro's devil fruit is also perfect for secretly sending out informations, and during the Zou arc when they were about to climb Zunesha it's weird that the first thing Kanjuro draws is a dragon even though he knows that Kin'emon hates dragons. Also if Kanjuro is the traitor then Oda probably based his character on Yamada Emosaku a rebel for the Shimabara Rebellion who was secretly a traitor and who was also a painter, I won't deny the possibility of Kiku or others being the traitor but imo I'm still going with Kanjuro since he makes more sense as the traitor.

 

[Lemonade]

Heads up: i added Kiku as poll option. Feel free to change where needed

 

[Jake Wu Long]

I remember the times when people said that Pedro was the traitor...what times to be alive.

 

[Lemonade]

I remember the times when people said that Pedro was the traitor...what times to be alive.

... what if he really is and it also turns out he's alive and spying all along :catainu:

 

[Jake Wu Long]

... what if he really is and it also turns out he's alive and spying all along :catainu:

Then i will travel to Japan to congratulate Oda as "employee of the month".

 

[Lemonade]

Well i'm for Kanjuro = traitor but if it's someone other than him or Kiku or Shinobu, i'll be surprised

 

[God_Usopun]

Kanjuro is definitely the traitor, remember ryonosuke ? The Dragon he drew to climb Zou
Oda was dropping hints that Kaido is a Dragon and Kanjuro work for him

 

[crazyclown]

Hey folks! As the newest member of this forum. I'd start my first post with a controversial one.

Did Go.D.a just imply that KINEMON is the REAL TRAITOR? (unless he misstyped twice, on two different pages--page 7 & 13, on the same chapter)

In Chapter 955 page 9, it was stated the alliance knew the numbers of Kaido's army (which is 30.000--20.000 from Kaido's Beast Pirates and 10.000 from Orochi's Shogun Procession).

http://imgur.com/5zrnlPU

But in this newest chapter, Kinemon just stated (he even yelled that loudly on page 13) that Kaido's army would have 40.000 people at Onigashima (I assume the 10.000 addition comes from Big Mom + Numbers).

http://imgur.com/2GRqUnP

http://imgur.com/IPEVzs2

As far as I remember, no one has told Luffy's Pirate Alliance about this Kaido-Big Mom alliance update. And before Kinemon revealed that information to us, we already got another person who also knew about that. Guess who? It was OROCHI who said the same thing on page 7. See the connection?

And yes, it feels unrealistic that 1 ship from Big Mom could carry 10.000 people. But with a ship at that size (compare it to Thousand Sunny for example), I wouldn't call it a stretch. On page 7, we can see Orochi with around 8 ships to carry 10.000 people to Onigashima.

What do you think about this one? I think its very unlikely that Kinemon is the traitor. Maybe its mistake on Oda's part that Kinemon/Orochi uses 40.000 instead of 30.000, or Kinemon might have new information we did not see yet. Kinemon is still 0% traitor for me.

After SBS 94 I slowly start to think Kilo might end up being the traitor

Spoiler: Kilo/Izo SBS 94

Reader :chapter 943... it’s so touching!!!(beng!!) Izo?! The commander of the 16th division of Whitebeard Pirates, Izo, was one of the Nine Scabbards? Ahhh...Was Kouzuki Oden the commander of the 16th division?! P.N. 420Land
Oda: Oh... You guys noticed another small detail. Young Kin’emon and the others in the flashback scene. If you count them no doubt there’re 9 people. Huh? thought it was Okiku...but the person feels a little different...By the way, “Izo” is one of the commanders that appeared in the Summit War arc. It’s true that they look similar since Izo also wore a kimono. And in vol 82 chapter 820, it did said that some people from “Wano Country” joined Whitebeard’s ship~. One day the answer to this question will be revealed, so just continue reading. You’ll notice it, right~!

I love SBS. I think it confirms that thats not Izo in 943, its Okiku, they just look similar cause of the kimono. As for the feels different, maybe Okiku was an actual woman back then, maybe Ivankov was somehow involved changing her into a he now, thats why its feels different. Eh but still possible, as someone points out the Raizo factor can be explained by Doflamingo reporting or that they were simply followed from Wano to Zou and whoever followed them saw only Raizo made it to Zou.

Kanjurou ticks all the boxes but his worst crime is being underutilized as a character and not being involved enough in the story. That reasoning feels too "real world reasoning" and not "manga logic" for me. However his devil fruit power seems is a convenient method to communicate with Orochi.

In conclusion I don't fking know who the traitor is.

P.S. Okiku resembles Mitsuhide Akechi so maybe he is the traitor.

 

[Lemonade]

A Mink being the traitor would fit a lot of things

 

[Nessos]

Because Orochi learned everything what the alliance is planning to do

I would say the traitor is among the figures in that panel.

I think we anyone agreed to exclude any member of strawhats from the Potential traitor list.
So traitor should be one of

• Kinemon
• Ashura Douji
• Kawamatsu
• Inuarashi
• Kanjuro
• Raizo
• Kiku
• Shinobu
• Tengujama

@Lemonade how about updating the poll ^^

 

[Rej]

people say Kanjuro being the traitor but they don't remember how Kanjuro and Kinemon approached the Mink Emperors
people just want Kanjuro to be a wild character while he just is a character who helps Oda to reach different important plot points for Kin'emon and Momo. Kanjuro doesn't make sense just because people push him into a weird spot. Kanjuro just seems to be a loyal Samurai and a collected and funny person, imho it is hard to shade him as scum.

Also Kiku being the traitor also doesn't make sense, except she set the mega omega plan to capture Tama and then rescue her again

I still think it either can be Carrot or Tsuru

 

[Nessos]

I still think it either can be Carrot or

Tsuru possible, but she wasn't in the meeting.
Carrot was not even born 20 years ago.

 

[Lemonade]

Updated poll

What if the traitor is a Kurozumi spy?

 

[Beky]

Well it is a mink for sure. Which one i got no clue

My money is on Wanda

 

[Salah Eddine]

Well it is a mink for sure. Which one i got no clue

My money is on Wanda

Last chapter proved it can't be any mink (Aside from Inu & Neko)

 

[Beky]

Last chapter proved it can't be any mink (Aside from Inu & Neko)

Well all Minks knew Raizou is there, not many knew where. IDK if Wanda knew where Raizou is

 

[Gambit]

Carrot should be removed here.. It's been revealed that it has been existing 20 years ago

 

[Salah Eddine]

Well all Minks knew Raizou is there, not many knew where. IDK if Wanda knew where Raizou is

No, it's not about Raizo
Last chapter revealed that Traitor was present 20 years ago at the least and was in Wano