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Who is the traitor?

  • Carrot

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • Shinobu

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Kanjuro

    Votes: 22 37.9%
  • Law

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Someone else (leave answer in thread)

    Votes: 11 19.0%
  • Kiku

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Kinemon

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Ashura Douji

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kawamatsu

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Inuarashi

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tenguyama

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Nekomamushi

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Raizo

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Tsuru

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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No, it's not about Raizo
Last chapter revealed that Traitor was present 20 years ago at the least and was in Wano
Yea. Doesnt mean there cant be more than one. For all we know the hag that used MR2 devil fruit can be a spy at that time. I mean makes most sense right?

Zou traitor can be someone entirely else. It was someone that knew Raizou was on Zou - hard to know that if you are in Wano - but at the same time it is someone who didnt know where exactly raizou is.

I am willing to wager non of scarabs are the traitor cause they would know where raizou is
 
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Zou traitor can be someone entirely else.
But it seems like Zou has closed boarders like Wano and most of them never left Wano. The exception seems to be Inu, Neko and former Nox Pirate.

I totally have my doubts about Inu and Neko being the traitors. If it is like you said "traitor 20 years ago ≠ current traitor" and that it have to be a Mink, I would put my bets on Yomo. Maybe he wants to become the Kings like he felt betrayed by Inu and Neko becoming Kings by breaking laws ^^

But I believe "traitor 20 years ago = current traitor" and based on Intel infos of the traitor it should be one of the characters being present here.
And based on process of elimination i presented in chapter discussion
  • Shinobu -> Enemy thought she is dead and BF makes her to tge Most trustful member
  • Hitetsu -> Hand out the strong Blades to the enemy and lives a life as a poor hiermit
  • Ashura Douji -> Still hunted by the Beast Pirates
  • Kawamatsu -> Imprisoned for decades
  • Inuarashi -> Zou Always represent a danger, why did Beast Pirates never Attack Zou before? Still working as Traito after attempted Mink-Genocide? No way!(same can be applied on Neko)
  • Kinemon -> too many chances to kill Momo succeeding in erasing Kozuki BL.
  • Kanjuro -> Sacrificed himself to help Kinemon instead of killing Kinemon. Then supported the alliance in the fight against Doflamingo.
  • Raizou -> As I allready mentioned make whole Udon plot useless.
Who is left? Kiku.
my bets are on Kiku.
 
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My theory is ,
Kiku is traitor !
- He had crush on Oden.
- He gave him place/home/reason to live
- He thought because of Toki , Oden left them
- On top of that when he learn that even his brother left him , he felt lonely.
- To know Oden left again , left his wife and childrens behind.
- And after Orochi took over Wano , he blamed Toki for everything .
- He did all this to eliminate Toki , but Oden also got involved.
 
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Darkhorse option: like mother, like daughter; Toki and Hiyori each betrayed the Kozuki because reasons.
 
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Darkhorse option: like mother, like daughter; Toki and Hiyori each betrayed the Kozuki because reasons.
Why should Hiyori reveal that Hiyori is still alive? Especially while she let Orochi think that even her alter ego is dead.
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So please tell me, how does Jack got the exact names of the Scabbards who appeared in Wano ? the exact names of the three who left Wano ?and the exact name of the one who reached Zou alone ?
Raizou, Kanjuro, Kinemon and Momo left Wano. Kiku got left behind is that right?
Kiku could have informed Orochi about
  • Who was sent in the future together with her.
  • That they are in the way to Zou.
  • How they wann reach Zou.
Then they could have gotten confirmation from Doflamingo that he saw 3 of the wanted in DR.

Option 2:
Raizou contacted and informed Kaidou after they shipwrecked and got splitted up.

Option 3:
Kanjuro is the traitor and informed Doflamingo about everything. Waiting in DR just in case Kinemon returns.

Option 4:
Kinemon is the traitor informed Kaidou once he was alone. Went to PH to finally get rid off Momo.


Zou is for me the greatest hint that the traitor have to be someone who was send to the future otherwise Beast Pirates would have attacked Zou earlier.
 
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Why should Hiyori reveal that Hiyori is still alive? Especially while she let Orochi think that even her alter ego is dead.
Orochi wouldn't know the truth about Komurasaki being Hiyori...something which can be used against the cowardly n superstitious Orochi , especially if she were to reveal a cat or actual Nekomata devil fruit ( another theory for another day ), tricking him into believing she's an actual Yokai/evil spirit. I think she and Kyoshiro are plotting their own coup of sorts on the side, a plot which could ultimately see Kyoshiro and Hiyori gaining Kaido's favor by convincing Kaido's that Orochi's a fool whose ineptitude is to blame for the Alliance's success thus far.

Revealing herself could likewise help fuck over the Alliance, thereby killing two birds w/ one stone. I believe Hiyori may be holding a grudge against her brother and/or entire family and retainers....with the possible exception of some of the other Scabbards who may end up siding with her for various reasons, if not having helped her from the beginning ( Kiku, Kanjuro, a reluctant Kawamatsu? ). It's heavy Alliance in-fighting.

Couple that with some a/several traitorous Minks -- cause no race is perfect -- who likewise come to hate the Kozuki after learning some troubling facts or rumors about the Kozuki's true relationship with the Minks going back a century: subjugation at the hands of a past user of Tama's devil fruit ability.

It's Civil War everywhere amongst all the factions; a huge theme that'll echo throughout the arc. Betting the Rocks' downfall will be revealed to have been partly caused by Xebec's crew bailing on him....the seeds for inner turmoil plaguing the Marines have been planted with the reveal of SWORD and what they learned about the WG's dealings w/ Kaido...we may even see some betrayals occurring in Big Mom's camp.

Mostly just speculation and gut feelings on my part.
 
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Do u realize that Traitor isn't trying to kill Momo or not ?
Orochis target is to eradicate Kozuki BL.
Pre Oden got boiled, Oden would have become too dangerous if someone would have killed one of his kids or his wife. Afterwards Momo was send to the future.

Then Momo was together with 4, but only one was the traitor none of them had the oppurtunity to get rid of Momo. And now the alliance is the biggest problem not Momo anymore.
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My bets still in Kiku.
 
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Orochis target is to eradicate Kozuki BL.
Pre Oden got boiled, Oden would have become too dangerous if someone would have killed one of his kids or his wife. Afterwards Momo was send to the future.

Then Momo was together with 4, but only one was the traitor none of them had the oppurtunity to get rid of Momo. And now the alliance is the biggest problem not Momo anymore.
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My bets still in Kiku.
Do you still think a Scabbard is a traitor?

Why Kiku if she's also sentenced?
 
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Do you still think a Scabbard is a traitor?

Why Kiku if she's also sentenced?
Still believe in one of the scabbards being the Traitor and my top suspect is still Kiku.

Number 2 is Raizou followed by Kanjuro as number 3 suspect.
 
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Kinda conspicuous we were never told what Izo and Kiku's father was jailed for. Seeing as they apparently resided in Ringo and the overall disdain with which they were treated, I wouldn't be surprised if his crime were revealed to be graverobbing. Could serve to help explain Kiku's betrayal should he turn out to be the traitor.

If so, kinda interesting too that Kanjuro in his own way was essentially robbing from the dead as well by cutting hair off corpses.

Should Hiyori turn out to be a traitor as well and get some of the Scabbards on her side, perhaps we'll see her form a grave-robbing faction consisting of Kiku, Kanjuro, a reluctant Kawamatsu ( technically was "stealing" swords ). In fact, she may never have intended to return Shisui to its rightful resting place but claim it for either herself or Kyoshiro; how better to make a potential power grab than pass themselves off as the heroes who took back and "returned" one of Wano's National Treasures? Thus in effect turning Hiyori into a graverobber of sorts herself, which would be all the more fitting being that I strongly suspect she'll be playing the figurative ( or even sorta literal ) role of a certain necromantic cat yokai that likewise enjoys moonlighting as a shamisen-playing courtesan. She'd be the "cat" to Kyoshiro's "dog," if I'm right about him as well.
 
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Why was Kiku about to be executed then?
I don't care about what happen back then. Maybe traitor was ready to die.

Top many things happened and everything started with the return of Kinemon, Kanjuro, Kiku, Raizou and Momo. Since I exclude Kinemon and Momo, its clear which 3 are my top suspects. And I explained many Times why I put Kiku above Raizou and Kanjuro.
 
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I’m thinking the traitor is the Sheep that Nami sleeps on. He was always around and wasn’t the previous king of Zou a sheep. What if he’s working with Kaido-sama so he can take the throan
 

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Amongst the scabbard, Kanjuro would be my pick. When Oden meets him, it was said that he was persecuted by people. Maybe because he's a Kurozumi? :pepehmm:

Saw also a theory about him as a traitor as referenced an Edo era rebellion in Japan's history that failed because of a traitor who was a painter (Yamada Emosaku). There was also the panel of them arriving in the future, and 2 birds being seen flying immediately that resemble his artwork.
 
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Lately I've been entertaining this idea:
There is a mole in both sides in Wano, kinda like The Departed and Infernal Affairs movie.

The mole in the alliance is responsible for telling Jack how to get to Zou and tipped off that Udon Prisoner Mine is compromised (but the mole is unaware of Tama's DF power), both tip led to 0 result thus Orochi dismiss the source as unreliable. I have 0 idea who this might be, not one of the Scabbards/Shinobu though.

The mole in Orochi side is Kyoshiro/Denjiro, he is already in contact with someone in the alliance to counter Orochi's plan. He is also the one that tipped off Orochi with the rest of the intel we see in chapter 955 (Hiyori's location and port and bridges intel), but is really just misleading and jebaiting Orochi.

The 'spy' 20 years ago is probably another different person, and the leaked coded message and ankle mark isn't attributed to anyone in particular, just a plan executed poorly and going wrong. Its a code that can be interpreted easily by Wano citizen, and we already see Komurasaki/Hiyori and Yasuie getting a hold of it, even without any ankle mark.
 
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Lately I've been entertaining this idea:
There is a mole in both sides in Wano, kinda like The Departed and Infernal Affairs movie.

The mole in the alliance is responsible for telling Jack how to get to Zou and tipped off that Udon Prisoner Mine is compromised (but the mole is unaware of Tama's DF power), both tip led to 0 result thus Orochi dismiss the source as unreliable. I have 0 idea who this might be, not one of the Scabbards/Shinobu though.

The mole in Orochi side is Kyoshiro/Denjiro, he is already in contact with someone in the alliance to counter Orochi's plan. He is also the one that tipped off Orochi with the rest of the intel we see in chapter 955 (Hiyori's location and port and bridges intel), but is really just misleading and jebaiting Orochi.

The 'spy' 20 years ago is probably another different person, and the leaked coded message and ankle mark isn't attributed to anyone in particular, just a plan executed poorly and going wrong. Its a code that can be interpreted easily by Wano citizen, and we already see Komurasaki/Hiyori and Yasuie getting a hold of it, even without any ankle mark.
Btw to think the revolutionary army of wano/ liberals is just a made up story 😭
 
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I’m thinking the traitor is the Sheep that Nami sleeps on. He was always around and wasn’t the previous king of Zou a sheep. What if he’s working with Kaido-sama so he can take the throan
We think a like :D
I totally have my doubts about Inu and Neko being the traitors. If it is like you said "traitor 20 years ago ≠ current traitor" and that it have to be a Mink, I would put my bets on Yomo. Maybe he wants to become the King and he feels betrayed by Inu and Neko for becoming Kings by breaking laws ^^
 
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