Traditional Mafia Game Round 9 - Knives Out

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Just put me and Salah and someone else as Observers today and together we will vote off whoever Salah wants. Easy
that sounds really easyyy!

Dunno why you're defending here? i didn't accuse you of being the villain at all, i actually pointed that out to explain that if my idea is right regarding Rej/Joby's Role then they are looking for the Villain & you're not that Villain, i only said that i will look more into it

But even if we assume i suspected you, your argument here is lacking, how would you know that by revealing someone contacted you, you can be seen as the Villain if you haven't watched the movie? From your perspective, even if you're the Villain, you wouldn't know such detail.
Your defense was from my perspective as someone who watched the movie, not yours so it doesn't stand

Either way, as i said, i'm not suspecting you, i just pointed out what i think Players should be aware of
Especially if they try to contact someone else
First, that's not defending it's simply pointing out why and where you are going wrong, if I don't correct you won't be having a clear mind about me or anyother player, including Rej and Jo.
Here you're encouraging him that instead of pushing for Nessos Lynch (Which was not a bad thing to do at all) he should instead prove he is Town, the guy was obviously left with no choice but to Claim, since one of the Observers is a Suspect with him so he will definitely vote for him & the second Observer is siding with him. When he finally does claim, this is what you say:
here, by asking him to prove his towniness I definitely do not encourage him to claim, as I quoted before, I'm specifically against all these claims specially when it is that early in the game, and I am pretty clear about it all the while.
What is the right option to defend himself if not claiming when three observers want him lynched? It was Trial Phase, it was too late, it's only him & Hayumi there, even if he was Jailor or whatever this game mode have of important roles, he was forced to claim by you guys

And when does a Suspect not posting enough makes him not worthy of a lynch? if an inactive player isn't among three suspects then cool, players simply ignored him, but if an inactive player is among three top suspects then town definitely suspect him and his inactivity is a factor for sure, unless they have invisible posts i didn't notice

I'm more suspicious of Drago, i just pointed these two occurrences to say that you are a potential suspect but not yet
There is no need to defend any further and just to add one final thing, if you didn't take one claim spot yesterday (where you only revealed little info) both Beky & Nessos would have claimed so please don't rush to take claim spots

From now on, anyone who takes claim spot and doesn't reveal very important info, i will push for their vote as suspects so that during Trials, we will have 2 claims to choose from
what was the right option you say, I don't know that myself, cause if I knew that I would have been a perfect player, but anyways I'll tell you what I expected a town to act in that scenario, he could have justified his votes and reads in a convincing manner, he should have questioned the observer more as to why he is scummy , he was rather laid back and his posts seemed like he was rather expecting it and , and the way was okay with his lynch instead of arguing or how he acted basically, it all seemed like an outed scum who cannot help but get lynched. additionally, I do not expect town to push for another lynch instead of questioning the other available slot. He was more like "Nessos must be lynched".

You think my claim didn't give much information when you just mentioned a bit above that the villain and contacting people is likely scenario according to the movie. I shortened and gave you 3 names. how is that any less? besides, what would claiming one's role as town is more important [when most people won't even trust and work according to the claim, as we could see for beky's case] than listing 3 names among which we can get a scum?

Anyways, I think I explained everything and it won't be giving more info from that, cause I know I am town and he was town and by the looks of it i am pretty sure Nessos was town as well. So this argument is pointless, and I would be looking at the other stuffs now.
 
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I'm kind of wary about anyone asking to be an Observer really. Seeing it in practice I feel like only townies with strong convictions would be interested in it. But odd suggests he'd follow Salah. So... he's my first suspect for this phase.
 
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that sounds really easyyy!


First, that's not defending it's simply pointing out why and where you are going wrong, if I don't correct you won't be having a clear mind about me or anyother player, including Rej and Jo.

here, by asking him to prove his towniness I definitely do not encourage him to claim, as I quoted before, I'm specifically against all these claims specially when it is that early in the game, and I am pretty clear about it all the while.

what was the right option you say, I don't know that myself, cause if I knew that I would have been a perfect player, but anyways I'll tell you what I expected a town to act in that scenario, he could have justified his votes and reads in a convincing manner, he should have questioned the observer more as to why he is scummy , he was rather laid back and his posts seemed like he was rather expecting it and , and the way was okay with his lynch instead of arguing or how he acted basically, it all seemed like an outed scum who cannot help but get lynched. additionally, I do not expect town to push for another lynch instead of questioning the other available slot. He was more like "Nessos must be lynched".

You think my claim didn't give much information when you just mentioned a bit above that the villain and contacting people is likely scenario according to the movie. I shortened and gave you 3 names. how is that any less? besides, what would claiming one's role as town is more important [when most people won't even trust and work according to the claim, as we could see for beky's case] than listing 3 names among which we can get a scum?

Anyways, I think I explained everything and it won't be giving more info from that, cause I know I am town and he was town and by the looks of it i am pretty sure Nessos was town as well. So this argument is pointless, and I would be looking at the other stuffs now.
Okay
 
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Now, why did Nessos got killed instead of someone else?
-He is a good player and scum team is scared of him.
-He had right reads

I'm gonna read his ISO first. although he was wrong about Becky but I think he might have other correct reads if the scum team didn't kill him for only the first reason.

I agree with rail gun here, Odd is being really odd here.
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PlayerSuspect-VotesObserver-Nomination
@NessosBeky, Rej, LarsiDrago, Poison, Juliet
@Poison ChanGambit, Beky, HayumiSalah, Drago, Nessos
@GambitRej, Juliet, Beky
@PepperTrustworthy, SalahDrago, Poison, Nessos
@RAIL_GUN
@BekyGambit, Hayumi, NessosJuliet, Alice, Dragomir
@Alice The MenaceHayumiLarsi
@RejNessos, Hayumi, GambitAlice, Poison, Trustworthy
@JulietGambit, TrustworthyNessos, Dragomir
@DragomirHayumi, Beky, Odd
@HayumiAlice, Rej, Beky
@LarsiNessos, Gambit, Hayumi
@oddoddfruitNessos, Drago, Rej
@Trustworthy LiberalJuliet, Waindo, OddPoison, Gambit, Rej
@Waindo
@Salah EddineNessos, Juliet, RejNessos, Juliet, Rej

Suspects:
Beky, Hayumi, Nessos, Rej, Gambit -> 5
-> 4
Juliet-> 3
Trustworthy, Odd -> 2
Alice, Drago, Salah, Waindo -> 1

Observer:
Drago -> 5
Poison, Nessos -> 4
Juliet -> 3
Alice, Rej -> 2
Gambit, Trustworthy, Salah, Larsi -> 1

Change Vote suspects Trustworthy, Rej, Beky

Trustworthy only voting for Waindo and Juliet feels bad. First one is nothing but voting afkler and 2nd one looks like nothing but OMGUS.

Only 4h and 20min left.
Thats why I want everyone to follow the lead of the majority and vote Poison, Drago and Nessos as Observers via PM!

as per this, he voted for Beky, Rej, Larsi. will keep that in mind and read day 1 again.
 
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Odd is pretty odd this game just saying.

Vote suspect #1: Odd
Vote suspect #2: Drago - I dislike how he did not buy the claim of Beky.
Vote suspect #3: Larsi - just a hunch
 
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I just want to be an observer and then let Salah carry me, nothing wrong with that
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I might be taking a claim spot if you don't start blindly trusting me
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Catching up, Poison somehow puts herself into the role of a victim, and I like it, so I trust her claim and her process of thoughts.


We can vote confirmed townie as suspect along with 2 most suspicious players & 3 observers that we trust or also confirmed townies
This way we will have 4 townies who act as observers & only 2 suspects with 2 claims to choose from. This strategy should be used before we are down to 7 players
I like this idea tbh, so let's start with narrowing down the confirmed town(s), what is your idea?
I still think Poison is town for taking the claimspot and informing us about what happened.
All in all she is genuine.
I'm kind of wary about anyone asking to be an Observer really. Seeing it in practice I feel like only townies with strong convictions would be interested in it. But odd suggests he'd follow Salah. So... he's my first suspect for this phase.
interesting take, does it imply odd trusts Salah and Salah could be on a wrong lead?
also mafia at this point should be confident, taking out strong players and with that creating an empty hole in town

short question to everyone, what you guys think about Hayumi now?
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I have to completely start from scratch now that Nessos and Beky are gone. Especially Nessos who was a suspect.

Anyone made anything out of the trial phase? A reason why Nessos got killed? I think he sounded quite town during the trial this might have scared scum.
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Also I feel the Observers werent neutral enough except Poison Chan, but I didnt like how the observers only jumped on Beky most of the time.
@Dragomir @Poison Chan was there a higher motivation to it?
We thought Nessos was town. Hayumi seemed ok. That just left Beky. Not much else to it.
Here's what Salah said in his post about the flavor:
So according to this, it's definitely possible for family members to be scum and seeing how an incredibly bad person Jacob Thrombey is, we should vote for Beky.

@Dragomir this is what you said, so please explain to me how convenient it was that you noticed this part in my Post but missed this one?

I literally said that Harlan's Grandson is the only one in the family that i believe is Town, all the rest can be either Town or Scums depending on what Oreki has in mind

Beky also said that it doesn't make sense for Nessos to be voted both Observer & Suspect, unless his Scum Buddies voted for him
But you quickly deemed this Argument useless & said that Nessos was voted Suspect because of the idea i suggested

So let's check the idea i suggested:
I said that i want Observers to be also Suspects, so that we will either have 6 Suspects talking to each other which is 2 birds with 1 stone since it allows the rest of us to monitor 6 Suspects instead of 3 or we get to see Players as both Suspect & Observer & it's fun to see who sides with who & who defends who, especially if we manage to put Scum Buddies together

But whatever it is, the point was in voting for Players you suspect to be also Observers (It's a sacrifice i clearly said i only want to do D1 just to have a good start even if we gave them some Trust Points, we won't vote for them again, so it's worth if we manage to get info)

Not vote for players we read as Townie to be Suspects, so when you saw Nessos being both Suspect & Observer, it means those who voted him as Suspect read him as Scum & some of those who voted him as Observer followed my idea & also read him as Scum.
Making him the most suspicious player yesterday or at least among those 3 suspects & yet i didn't see any effort against him

Actually even if we ignore everything i said right now, you have a Suspect among you voting for both lynching a Player & for best Townie D1 that will grant them Trust Points, your first priority was definitely checking this Player, asking for his Claim so that you can both check your observer buddy & one of three suspects. What if the guy was a Scum? you literally gave him a free ticket, helped him lynch a Townie & who knows maybe i was his scum buddy & encouraged you guys to vote for me for those extra trust points

Regarding Beky's Claim, you guys didn't make any effort really, you read Wikia? i checked Wikia, the page literally empty, it only mentions his personality and that he is an annoying child. Like seriously even if i didn't watch the movie, when i see a character have an empty wikia page, then either he is a background character or didn't do anything at all.
But you guys were like, holy shit the wikia says he is racist, then he must definitely be Scum
(Also ignoring that i said all family members are scummy & annoying)

PS: i didn't vote for Nessos as Observer, neither did i vote for Drago, and i find it weird that neither you nor Nessos pointed that out, i was pushing everyone to vote for Drago but i myself said i voted for Larsi! i didn't want to feel like i influenced the votes for Observers, that's why i voted Larsi instead, i believed he wasn't active enough and won't get much votes to be Observer.
But many players seem to have liked my idea of voting Nessos & Drago, if one of these turns out to be Scum then most of who voted for them are Suspects imo

Scum would love to vote for their Buddies but they can't do that easily, however when someone suggests an idea & gives it a good explanation that allows them to vote for Scum, they will be more happy to jump in, in other words, bait.
The good thing about this strategy is that it splits players into two groups, so even if Nessos & Drago are Town then i will assume those who voted for them aren't scum because they could have just said they were against my idea and pointed out the flaws in it

Finally @Poison Chan go check your posts, you tell Beky that a true townie should Claim & help find Scum & when he does, you tell him that he shouldn't have claimed lmao i need to check more of your posts to give better read (You said Rej or Joby tried to contact you, right? if i recall the movie, i can guess the role of either Rej or Joby & the among the Characters they'd hope to contact is the Villain so that's worth looking into later)

These are my thoughts regarding Trial Phase, now let's check what happened last NP
I'm not reading all of this dude. Break it down in separate posts and I'll tackle the points you want me to respond to.
 
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Trustworthy said they will sheep Gambit and that was pretty scummy because town players should develop their own reads and not sheep other players, said they will chill around round 1 just to see what happens. So wait a minute, Trustworthy's intention was to not vote on day 1 and they ended up voting anyways so this makes me think some of the scum are scared to get their hands dirty who were not getting suspected at the time, says I was always one of them and never explained why, votes Odd because Nessos and Drago voted Odd saying Nessos talking about meta and the interesting thing is Trustworthy never gave a read on Nessos, saw they town leaned Drago and on the chart it said Trustworthy voted Poison, Gambit, and Rej as observers instead. Trustworthy has been way too sheepy and is very wishy washy.

Doing this for now and will vote some more suspects later

Vote Suspect Trustworthy Liberal
 
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Tbh, I think one of the reasons Nessos died was because he hard defended me when discussing who to lynch for the trial based off my meta and his familiarity with my town play. Especially since leaving me as the remaining three of the initial trial is an easy af angle to push.
 
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Tbh, I think one of the reasons Nessos died was because he hard defended me when discussing who to lynch for the trial based off my meta and his familiarity with my town play. Especially since leaving me as the remaining three of the initial trial is an easy af angle to push.
So who are your suspects?
 
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Well seeing how things went last phase I suggest:
1. To refrain from using claims during the pre-trial phase, at least for now or unless you feel you have a strong lead from your night results
2. Don't bother using a practically blank wiki for reference or at least as a strong one :pepeban:
 

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Sorry for being so busy. So it seems more people want to be carried, tiredpepe.

I will simply vote an inactive dipper, someone who posted this DP but didnt write much and someone who is vocal.

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@Hayumi
@oddoddfruit


observers IDK, gonna try Pepper, Juliet, Alice, I am not fixed on this
 
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Also thinking about it I would guess that majority of the main family is considered town regardless of personality with scum actually consisting of the protag, the black sheep of the family, and the cops
Sorry for being so busy. So it seems more people want to be carried, tiredpepe.

I will simply vote an inactive dipper, someone who posted this DP but didnt write much and someone who is vocal.

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@Larsi
@Hayumi
@oddoddfruit


observers IDK, gonna try Pepper, Juliet, Alice, I am not fixed on this
Funnily enough wanting to being carried feels like it could match a couple family members, though if that is actually affects their roles or not who knows
 
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Now, why did Nessos got killed instead of someone else?
-He is a good player and scum team is scared of him.
-He had right reads

I'm gonna read his ISO first. although he was wrong about Becky but I think he might have other correct reads if the scum team didn't kill him for only the first reason.
Tbh, I think one of the reasons Nessos died was because he hard defended me when discussing who to lynch for the trial based off my meta and his familiarity with my town play. Especially since leaving me as the remaining three of the initial trial is an easy af angle to push.
The reason for his Death can clearly be seen & guessed, he was very Active, they killed Activity this DP by getting rid of him.
Many players are taking advantage of that now
I like this idea tbh, so let's start with narrowing down the confirmed town(s), what is your idea?
I still think Poison is town for taking the claimspot and informing us about what happened.
All in all she is genuine.
Yeah definitely Genuine but we can't vote for her to be an Observer this DP, but we won't be breaking rules if we vote for her as Suspect, she will still be helpful during Trials.
As for Observers, i will wait & see what Majority thinks to give my final thoughts & vote
nteresting take, does it imply odd trusts Salah and Salah could be on a wrong lead?
also mafia at this point should be confident, taking out strong players and with that creating an empty hole in town

short question to everyone, what you guys think about Hayumi now?
I'd like to see Hayumi questioned again so that we get his Claim, leaving a D1 Suspect unchecked any longer will only result in more confusion.
As for Odd i have a guess regarding his Role and it's not Scum one but at same time i don't think his Claim would hurt Town, assuming my guess is right ofc. Whether i'm right or wrong though i won't vote for him as Observer
I'm not reading all of this dude. Break it down in separate posts and I'll tackle the points you want me to respond to.
I broke it down into separate paragraphs, it's same thing
There is no need to question you more, because what i said was mostly one-sided, i wasn't asking for answers
Not to mention that the only way to fully remove doubts is by claiming which i don't want in this Phase
We can hear your defense during Trial Phase if others follow in voting you as Suspect
Trustworthy said they will sheep Gambit and that was pretty scummy because town players should develop their own reads and not sheep other players, said they will chill around round 1 just to see what happens. So wait a minute, Trustworthy's intention was to not vote on day 1 and they ended up voting anyways so this makes me think some of the scum are scared to get their hands dirty who were not getting suspected at the time, says I was always one of them and never explained why, votes Odd because Nessos and Drago voted Odd saying Nessos talking about meta and the interesting thing is Trustworthy never gave a read on Nessos, saw they town leaned Drago and on the chart it said Trustworthy voted Poison, Gambit, and Rej as observers instead. Trustworthy has been way too sheepy and is very wishy washy.

Doing this for now and will vote some more suspects later

Vote Suspect Trustworthy Liberal
The host kept saying to vote all three in single post
I checked your posts, you seem very determined to lynch Trustworthy since game began, you didn't even bother give thoughts about last Trial, you just continue to push for Trustworthy, does your wincon demand that?
Well seeing how things went last phase I suggest:
1. To refrain from using claims during the pre-trial phase, at least for now or unless you feel you have a strong lead from your night results
2. Don't bother using a practically blank wiki for reference or at least as a strong one :pepeban:
Hi Scum, how are you? what do you think should we lynch you today or let you play a little longer?
I mean your posts are extremely valuable, each one of them holds so much info, i believe it's better to keep you around more

So for my Suspects Votes, i'm gonna vote Drago & Hayumi, as for third spot, it will either be Poison or Pepper
@Poison Chan it's your choice, do you want us to vote you as Suspect so that you participate during Trials and act as fourth Observer against Drago & Hayumi or you prefer that we vote Pepper?
 
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The reason for his Death can clearly be seen & guessed, he was very Active, they killed Activity this DP by getting rid of him.
Many players are taking advantage of that now

Yeah definitely Genuine but we can't vote for her to be an Observer this DP, but we won't be breaking rules if we vote for her as Suspect, she will still be helpful during Trials.
As for Observers, i will wait & see what Majority thinks to give my final thoughts & vote

I'd like to see Hayumi questioned again so that we get his Claim, leaving a D1 Suspect unchecked any longer will only result in more confusion.
As for Odd i have a guess regarding his Role and it's not Scum one but at same time i don't think his Claim would hurt Town, assuming my guess is right ofc. Whether i'm right or wrong though i won't vote for him as Observer

I broke it down into separate paragraphs, it's same thing
There is no need to question you more, because what i said was mostly one-sided, i wasn't asking for answers
Not to mention that the only way to fully remove doubts is by claiming which i don't want in this Phase
We can hear your defense during Trial Phase if others follow in voting you as Suspect

The host kept saying to vote all three in single post
I checked your posts, you seem very determined to lynch Trustworthy since game began, you didn't even bother give thoughts about last Trial, you just continue to push for Trustworthy, does your wincon demand that?

Hi Scum, how are you? what do you think should we lynch you today or let you play a little longer?
I mean your posts are extremely valuable, each one of them holds so much info, i believe it's better to keep you around more

So for my Suspects Votes, i'm gonna vote Drago & Hayumi, as for third spot, it will either be Poison or Pepper
@Poison Chan it's your choice, do you want us to vote you as Suspect so that you participate during Trials and act as fourth Observer against Drago & Hayumi or you prefer that we vote Pepper?
Okay hot-shot if you want to vote me, go ahead if it makes you feel any better you schmuck
 
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That trial was something.
Like they claimed cop and still where killed when I don't think they were horrible there and the case of well the other person didn't talk much is iffy at best.

Also getting made about them claiming when they were asked to in that phase also is just counter productive.

Juliet stop tunneling me me sheeping people D1 when I just wanted to see how the game plays is NAI and you should know that.

Am Out right now should be on later.

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Poison
Rej

Gambits pretty towny but not confident on making that a top read if mine.
 
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