Your arguments is just based by random talks in the past, which can means something, but also can means nothing....![]()
so youtuber is more reliable then reading the source that oda laid out. you do realize everyone has different opinion and outcome, depending on how the author build up his story and left evidence to support it before revealing it. So it does not look like a plot hole.
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yes must be plot hole, oden telling toki to give his swords to his children....jeeez him showing up with new swords must not mean het got upgrade.
Toki telling oden he won't die, hell oda even showed her declaring it.
showing pre hint clues. But the story is shit apparently if he survived is what your saying.
Also one piece character have a signature laugh style there even a page dedicated to list of each character and the writing style that oda gives them.
see above, oden laugh style text shows wahahaha! "that's my wife wahahaha!" then later his same signature laugh is written in the cave floor. , but i see people can't understand visual drawn clues or grasp it's concept. so....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Oden dead body can't be found, wanted to point this out incase people missed it.
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and when we first learn of orochi early chapters, it shows he having nightmares of oden.. and even Denjiro is laughing at orochi because he fears oden coming back and taking revenge and his man.. Oh Orochi having nightmares...
oh jeeez it can't possibly be the missing body hint of Oden could it......
which is the cause for orochi to start fearing oden will get his revengemust be plot hole even though oda hinted it, for possibility of comeback......
This scene always bothered me....but seeing chapter 107 and small clues oda left as it built up..
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This son of a gun, actually did it.
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and i want to know how the hell they did it!!
He was introduced as invincible Monster.how can he survive those boiling pot
Motivation for preparation. Everything can be explained in a way that Oden being alive make sense.Lastly, Toki's prophecy, in 20 years, nine samurai will avenge for Oden and open Wano border....this propechy will be just a bullshit if both of them alive...
He was already at his limit, blood from nose, mouth, ears, his inside organs already boiled, no sign of burn injuries or something like it, no bullet scar either...still doesnt make sense...He was introduced as invincible Monster.
In other words the same way Big Mom or Kaidou would survived this.
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Motivation for preparation. Everything can be explained in a way that Oden being alive make sense.
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Most arguements about this being Oden or not were actually brought up 24 chapters.
The only new stuff to discuss are actually His swords. We can already exclude stuff like Oden being an illusion otherwise this we're hinted by him having his old swords.
Some might say these are 2 generic swords, I don't think so. The bright look like Yasuies sword, the dark like a black version of Wado Ichimonji. This let me think it is Oden.
I do, I fu*king hate him.i love Oden, as a character, who doesn't love him...

... but the most interesting part is here
Who will become the next Shogun of Wano?I really dont see point of bringing Oden back
Of course it could be, but again thats what the swords look like for me Yasuies Sword and and a black Wado Ichimonji. Sure these could also be 2 generic swords, but thats sth. I doubt.Also @Nessos we cannot guarntee its yasuie's sword it could just be similar meito design.
Since Oden didn't age, the only chance of that being the real Oden is if he was send to the future. I think we can exclude "Illusionen" or "Kanjuros drawing" because of the new swords.Hope Oda foes not destroy his reputation by bringing time fax plot because nothing is adding up that possiblh hints oden was secretly alive.

It will be momonusuke , he will do something awesome by end of this arc .Who will become the next Shogun of Wano?
Thats why started to like the idea of Oden being alive back in the discussions after chapter 983 was released.
Of course it could be, but again thats what the swords look like for me Yasuies Sword and and a black Wado Ichimonji. Sure these could also be 2 generic swords, but thats sth. I doubt.
Since Oden didn't age, the only chance of that being the real Oden is if he was send to the future. I think we can exclude "Illusionen" or "Kanjuros drawing" because of the new swords.
That Law is the only one who didn't smash a door open?Guys you know what this means, right?
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Momo is still a spoiled Kid and won't become an adult until end of this arc (even if he will do sth. awesome that won't change)It will be momonusuke , he will do something awesome by end of this arc .
Also then the "generic" swords wouldn't make any sense.its spirit that scabbards can see it could be yokai
I read this and looks like you don't accept explanations, and just want oden dead.Your arguments is just based by random talks in the past, which can means something, but also can means nothing....
It doesn't prove anything....
Just tell me, how can he live, how can he survive those boiling pot, which makes him bleeding from inside out, which Oden himself said he was at his limit, then just drown after headshoted, what scenarios should he survive those...please tell your reasonable theory which have to make sense to me....
The point I agree to Brago is about why Oden should die....how important is his death about the story....i love Oden, as a character, who doesn't love him...but storywise, i almost cried by his feats, his achivements, then his perfect death....
He told the Scabbards to open Wano's border in his last word. So thats Scabbard promise and motivation. What if Oden is alive ? Those legendary page when all the Scabbards said "Open Wano Border" together would be meaningless of course Oden speech would be meaningless too...
Lastly, Toki's prophecy, in 20 years, nine samurai will avenge for Oden and open Wano border....this propechy will be just a bullshit if both of them alive...



Umm no, the exact same laugh, in two different scenarios? c'mon son be realistic, @Naomi is right Oda hinted at something, making it seem impossible is a good way for you to get real upset when it turns out to be true. Then you will begin to flame Oda for it.You guys are funny....haha
Comparing swords, scars, even laughs.....hahaha
First of all, the one who beat the guards is Kanjuro, and that laugh is just party laugh from Oda....
If you can tell me how Kaido survive a fall from sky island then maybe we can have this discussion about how Oden survive a boiling pot. Then again you can't so that is not really a solid point, you want Oden as dead as the villains in this arc. I do agree with you in that his death is important to the story but him being alive could be just as important. This man is strong enough to rival a bloody yonko, if you ask me this is a good set up for Luffy to gain a powerful ally for the final war. A PK level Luffy can 1 v 1 the FA but Luffy would still need allies to rival the other admirals.Your arguments is just based by random talks in the past, which can means something, but also can means nothing....
It doesn't prove anything....
Just tell me, how can he live, how can he survive those boiling pot, which makes him bleeding from inside out, which Oden himself said he was at his limit, then just drown after headshoted, what scenarios should he survive those...please tell your reasonable theory which have to make sense to me....
The point I agree to Brago is about why Oden should die....how important is his death about the story....i love Oden, as a character, who doesn't love him...but storywise, i almost cried by his feats, his achivements, then his perfect death....
He told the Scabbards to open Wano's border in his last word. So thats Scabbard promise and motivation. What if Oden is alive ? Those legendary page when all the Scabbards said "Open Wano Border" together would be meaningless of course Oden speech would be meaningless too...
Lastly, Toki's prophecy, in 20 years, nine samurai will avenge for Oden and open Wano border....this propechy will be just a bullshit if both of them alive...
Oda's writing pattern is repetitive, I wouldn't say its degraded. We have just seen the same formula rinse and repeated for years. What made certain things bad is I felt Oda started to please fanbase waay too much. Then again do we have a right to be upset if Oden is alive? Pell survive a point blank nuke that was meant to wipe out a country but people seem to forget shit like this is not the first time. Actually happy that happened so that when people say post time skip is this and that, you can look back at pre time skip and see the same shit in a different format; and that is what makes Oda a genius.First i dont like reviving dead prople bavk.
Also @Nessos we cannot guarntee its yasuie's sword it could just be similar meito design.
I really dont see point of bringing Oden back . I know few readers like him but Oden died in front of civil witness and dehypes all the evil measure kaido has taken so far.
If its really oden , Oda needs to give explanation , this will reinforce my idea that his writing quality has degraded post ts, this is D&D stuff and poor man version of Game of thrones. Hope Oda foes not destroy his reputation by bringing time fax plot because nothing is adding up that possiblh hints oden was secretly alive.

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the same guy who was also sitting on fire and eating casually when we first saw him.![]()
yeah i know what you mean, meant sitting close. also i see him eat his food that boiled without blowing on it in the anime(even manga shows him eating it like that), showing he has endurance for high heat, plus he sitting close to the fire, and you can see him sweat by it.Just one thing
That last image, I don't get what makes you think he is sitting on fire, at the left at the skull you can see his leg behind the crematorium he's not actually on it. Also, to mention why would he even sit on the fire in the first place like even if he could, like he would just smother it out and then he wouldn't be able to cook his food lol.
Kaido has kaoi kaoi no mi model , the fish scales protects hkm its resonable explanation.Umm no, the exact same laugh, in two different scenarios? c'mon son be realistic, @Naomi is right Oda hinted at something, making it seem impossible is a good way for you to get real upset when it turns out to be true. Then you will begin to flame Oda for it.
If you can tell me how Kaido survive a fall from sky island then maybe we can have this discussion about how Oden survive a boiling pot. Then again you can't so that is not really a solid point, you want Oden as dead as the villains in this arc. I do agree with you in that his death is important to the story but him being alive could be just as important. This man is strong enough to rival a bloody yonko, if you ask me this is a good set up for Luffy to gain a powerful ally for the final war. A PK level Luffy can 1 v 1 the FA but Luffy would still need allies to rival the other admirals.
Yes he told the scabbards to open up Wano, because if they didn't this current situation would not have developed.
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Oda's writing pattern is repetitive, I wouldn't say its degraded. We have just seen the same formula rinse and repeated for years. What made certain things bad is I felt Oda started to please fanbase waay too much. Then again do we have a right to be upset if Oden is alive? Pell survive a point blank nuke that was meant to wipe out a country but people seem to forget shit like this is not the first time. Actually happy that happened so that when people say post time skip is this and that, you can look back at pre time skip and see the same shit in a different format; and that is what makes Oda a genius.![]()
Pell surviving could be because of mythical zoan durability. Not saying it was terrible of course Pell should have been killed we might say he survived that blast courtesy of his df power.Umm no, the exact same laugh, in two different scenarios? c'mon son be realistic, @Naomi is right Oda hinted at something, making it seem impossible is a good way for you to get real upset when it turns out to be true. Then you will begin to flame Oda for it.
If you can tell me how Kaido survive a fall from sky island then maybe we can have this discussion about how Oden survive a boiling pot. Then again you can't so that is not really a solid point, you want Oden as dead as the villains in this arc. I do agree with you in that his death is important to the story but him being alive could be just as important. This man is strong enough to rival a bloody yonko, if you ask me this is a good set up for Luffy to gain a powerful ally for the final war. A PK level Luffy can 1 v 1 the FA but Luffy would still need allies to rival the other admirals.
Yes he told the scabbards to open up Wano, because if they didn't this current situation would not have developed.
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Oda's writing pattern is repetitive, I wouldn't say its degraded. We have just seen the same formula rinse and repeated for years. What made certain things bad is I felt Oda started to please fanbase waay too much. Then again do we have a right to be upset if Oden is alive? Pell survive a point blank nuke that was meant to wipe out a country but people seem to forget shit like this is not the first time. Actually happy that happened so that when people say post time skip is this and that, you can look back at pre time skip and see the same shit in a different format; and that is what makes Oda a genius.![]()
My only worry is Oda will fuck with Tokis time fruit and write awakening powers to send oden for brief time period and goes back to his timeline.You guys are funny....haha
Comparing swords, scars, even laughs.....hahaha
First of all, the one who beat the guards is Kanjuro, and that laugh is just party laugh from Oda....
Please, don't compare sword handle design, they are all same, except for its guard shape, or its sheath design, all sword are just the same...
This community is so funny....
Oden is dead, the most reasonable answer is that one is Gyukimaru, he comes with Hiyori, and Hiyori ask him to turn into Oden so the Scabbards morale will increase....
Just watched Brago, and I absolutely agree with him, Oden's death is so perfect this way, after all his feats, his speech before his death, its just so absurd if he come back alive...


Clearly Kanjuro killed that man, as the guards thought he was an enemy. And that laughter is clearly a coming from the party going on, along with the "stomp tromp" on he right.Guys, oden laugh is shown in the flashback, the same laugh oden makes in chapter 107
previous chapter in the flashback oden castle.
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we see Gya ha ha and Wa ha ha!
Wahaha-Oden
Gya--rhah
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now here
Wahaha-Oden
Gya--hahaha it now laugh.
who was the second person making this sound??????
we see all of oden friends go to fight kaido...but here in the castle flashback and cave points to second person, off screen helping oden!
I edited the picture of odens headshot to show that is clearly blood coming out of his head (maybe even out of the back of his head), but i used an online editor and couldn't download the picture. And after i checked my download folder all my tabs were reloaded. So i lost my work. I am fuming right now.![]()
I recheck, and noticed something off in this scene.
you see the bullet on the right side coming to oden. it's a straight line which is typical of bullet.
but see the left side, something from the back makes it way infront of oden, and it curves. it actually blocked the bullet!!! what ever that is looks like df power!?
also oden dodging, before bullet hits, and that thing going to the front of him taking the hit.
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what ever it is, it still lingers in the same spot hovering instead of falling, and we can see oden go down, in the boiling pot scene.
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and next seen he smiling, meaning he saw what it was. and also his body vanish soon after this incident as even the workers can't find his body. Also it looks like the scene is slowing down, time pausing by people slow reactions in mouth movement.
the one detail that missing, is tengu, toki gave him the swords. but we never saw oda show tengu and oden interact with each other. I remember oden father mention oden learn stonework skill. Maybe this clue oden meeting tengu and tengu teaching him in earlier childhood.