Resolved Forum and Thread Ideas to push activity

[Beky]

Both lead often lead to toxic fanboying.

Even mafia and overall anything that people have passion for can lead to toxic environment. Doesn't necessarily mean it will always lead to it and if it does lead you can take measures against it.

But shipping is kinda childish and its nothing else than "playing around".

I neither care about "shipping"- nor about "powerlvl"-discussions.

And this is pointless to say. Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean others don't care too.
Imagine if everyone came here and said - i don't care what others want and therefor i won't think for the desire of others.
Same can be said for something both of you like, would you then feel it was fair to you? No ofc not, so why would it feel fair to people that want things you don't want?

It really doesn't push any healthy discussion forward.

Like increasing the mafia games quality by enforcing activity

You can't force anyone to do anything.
What you can do is issue penalties or sub them out - both are used

I personally think players are too obsessed with activity in games, mostly at the ending.
In most cases i saw at the end of games there will always be less activity. Pretty much all players are known, you know whats going on and there really ain't much to say except going in circles.

I always warn hosts about that - bcs most hosts that i do recommend that to are players that once complained about. But once you experience the other side of the spectrum you realize some stuff.

Plus some games just don't have that much to talk about and that's fine. Sure beats sitting at the pc for hours forcing convos.
Plus people have shit to do IRL , and if someone is inactive they replaced - legit every game

You say we should promote patience? Well there's your chance to promote it

A wishy washy calender that skips games.

I can guarantee you not one games is skipped unless the host in question can't host it at that time

Too many people wanting to host and this leads to people trying to get sign ups filled asap for the sake of it.

I don't know about other sections but i cracked down on this a lot. Reg currently has 4 games i think and they are all checked ready to go

 

[stala_dynar]

But shipping is kinda childish and its nothing else than "playing around".

That is your opinion and there is nothing wrong with "playing around" because a forum is a form of entertainment and a place for discussions and even if shipping doesn't make sense in a lot of cases, I don't see the reason why people should not have fun to ship characters and talk about their opinions on it.

I wouldnt mind giving bitches a general shipping thread but ya'll ****as should know that this is is not something to discuss while there are other quality topics open.

It would be nice if you could stay more respectful in this manner and not refer other people to as whatever you said there. And while there are other "quality topics" open. Not everything needs quality, sometimes you just want to relax and have fun.

Generally better quality = less bad blood between members, more respect towards eash other.
Less pussying. More hearing out eash other to add.

I didn't really feel this was the case but in Mafia where I am not active maybe it is different.

Doesn't necessarily mean it will always lead to it and if it does lead you can take measures against it.

Right. That's what mods are also for, keeping things friendly if someone acts out of place or against rules.

 

[Rej]

@person who quoted me:
I know reg mafia is going well and the measurements taken for that were good. People do more qualitychecks there.
What I am worrying about is ToS and Trad. Thats where the skips happen and a super full calendar too.
@novaselinenever is pushing his own game, which ofc is a quality game, but again there is pressure. The host pressuring himself, pressuring players to get the game running. In an optimal universe the host should open a sign up and noone should busy anyone to get a game started. The sign ups will fill within a set timewindow. Even if it takes months. I saw good qualitygames where people sign up 2 months beforehand then they play actively without fucking around. Everyone looks forward months ago, noone forgets the sign ups.
For once it is because the games and the community and worth to remember well and this gives games a quality check, people believe in them and even newer community members.

I am supporting novas and the trad section for the sake of this section being the core of mafia.
New players learn mafia through it, new hosts learn the best at trad. Trad is easy you can host newbie games there easily. Trad is what is going on in most communities. Trad is where I learn hosting on another forum. Also taking some work off from hosts/coaches here, especially novas.
And yes I have backup setups for TB to host for example when the calendar has spots free or you need emergency games to fill here. So I am on stand by.

Now while I am at it let me get it straight what this forum needs:

2 mafia types:

Special and Traditional

2 subtypes

Special = Reg/ToS

Traditional = Trad (15+)/ Light (14-)

In orderto relax the ToS calender invent a ToS game style with just 14 instead of 15 players.

The ToS 14 player mini should be a new standart setup for new hosts and should be playavle in the Light Game section.

That way you keep the "Light Game section busy while pushing ToS on the forum, making it more attractive.

You will have a focus on classic games and "special games".
This can be labled on the welcome page and this shall attract guests and visitors from other forums. More freedom.

Last but not least...advertisment...thats the future, other forums will get members through it, while TB will be left behind...
Advertisment, jumping on the dc train. Hopping on a wave where you can find new people.

Manga and animes are secondary and if you continously add new things without rushing things you will end up have a communityshaped entertainment/manga section.

Shottie is right with so many points about art and manga sections. So much got added. I am just sorry I cant write theories for example because I generally give less a fuck cuz of reasons but not less enough so i still feel like helping this community.

 

[AL.]

Special = Reg/ToS

Traditional = Trad (15+)/ Light (14-)

tos is tos so its a bad idea

what can be done is merging trad and reg

The ToS 14 player mini should be a new standart setup for new hosts and should be playavle in the Light Game section.

there is no need for this at all as there is already a 15 players setup

 

[Nessos]

And this is pointless to say. Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean others don't care too.

First of all I didn't wanna start to discuss about it and left out this annoying point, but then I got a dumb and salty respond for leaving out this point.
And its not like I only posted that I not really care about it but also that I would aboid it because it leads to toxicty. The best examples are LuNa vs SaNa or Zoro vs Sanji which is as toxoc as Edward vs Jacob. And if you only prohibit these kind of threads we get back to toxic attacks against the Team for not allowing these "Main discussions".

And for me the biggest problem in these kind of discussions, if sections/threads like this grow in avtivity they tend to invade any kind of other discussion thread.

But I won't stop you allowing it, I Just give my opinion about it.

 

[Rej]

tos is tos so its a bad idea

what can be done is merging trad and reg

there is no need for this at all as there is already a 15 players setup

Its a special gamemod still.

My points are these:

You will always have big games of 20-30 players on stand by and ideally you want motivated players with determination to play. So if you want new players you ideally want always a sign up ready because new players might not wait for a new sign up.

Why I would splitt on big games and "light games" is because light games finish earlier, so you can spam games there of all categories and new players dont have to wait for long.
14 players is a set mafia number and there is a reason why 14 is faster than 15.

Also longer sign ups for bigger games will always give an option to newer players visitting the forum or old players.

Ideally you want activity and standby readyness. And you need to unite it because thats how new ****as are. They are either active or standby and waiting.

So yes this is a big point to tackle. Trad even with a busy calendar is factually secondary here. And this shouldnt be the case for a "mafia forum".
Thats why I understand why novas works his ass off for the mafia section. For the sake of activity and ofc it is worrysome. What do you think why I am here.

 

[stala_dynar]

but then I got a dumb and salty respond for leaving out this point

Excuse me? Where was I salty and/or answering dumb? I just wondered if you don't want to share your opinion or if you accidentally forgot about that part since you answered to all other points I had in my OP. If you don't like those sort of discussions I can understand, but for other people it is just something small to share and I doubt it is going to escalate just like that if it's specified that there is only one single thread where Shipping is allowed and talked about.

 

[Nessos]

Excuse me? Where was I salty and/or answering dumb?

You are actually right. I exagerated a bit after @Beky condemn my post while I was explicitly asked for my opinion on this point.

I am sorry for that.

 

[stala_dynar]

You are actually right. I exagerated a bit after @Beky condemn my post while I was explicitly asked for my opinion on this point.

I am sorry for that.

Yeah it's okay. I just want to make sure people stay friendly here and really ask for opinions about the forum and how to bring new people here. I've been rude here already which I am sorry for, but I really don't want this to turn into a battlefield of who's right and who's wrong, or get rude and salty about what others said.

 

[AL.]

You will always have big games of 20-30 players on stand by and ideally you want motivated players with determination to play. So if you want new players you ideally want always a sign up ready because new players might not wait for a new sign up.

Why I would splitt on big games and "light games" is because light games finish earlier, so you can spam games there of all categories and new players dont have to wait for long.

you can't only think about players

hosts have their preferences too

I m just pointing out one of the problem there's many others

Also longer sign ups for bigger games will always give an option to newer players visitting the forum or old players.

although some games require long sign ups but most of the times its bad for a game

14 players is a set mafia number and there is a reason why 14 is faster than 15.

we were talking about tos and in tos one player doesn't change anything

 

[Nessos]

After putting the post from @Gintoki into account I only suggest small changes which actually only effects the structures to give visitors a better overview.

Subforums that I would move (from -> to)

• Community Events: Move to the top of "Official Activites"
• Discord: "Official Activites" -> "Main Categoty"
• Creativity Corner: "Entertainment" -> "Official Activites"
• Theories: "Entertainment" -> "Series Gallery"
• Forum Games: "Miscellaneous" -> "Official Activities" (between RP and Creativity Corner)
• Fan Clubs and Groups: "Chitchat" -> "Miscellaneous"

Renaming Sections and Subforums

• "Official Activities" -> "Community Activities"
• "Series Gallery" -> "Manga & Anime"
• "Manga & Anime" -> "Other Series"

Updating the frontpage

• Think about removing Mafia and RP banner (less is sometimes more)
• Update the text in the frontpage focus on introducing the sections equally.. I will add a suggestion later.

The next point is for the Staff to discuss of they wanna allow "powerlvl- and/or shipping-discussions" therefore they should open subforums in Miscellaneous or chitchat.

I actually think these are easy changes which will improve the structure on this forum and give visitors a better overview. I know these changes won't directly bring more activity, but thats actually up to the members of the forum(not only the staff members). If you want this forum to success its time to push activity by pushing discussions and make advertisement for this forum via Discord and Reddit.

 

[AL.]

• Think about removing Mafia and RP banner (less is sometimes more)

this is kinda going a bit far

 

[Jacob]

I gave my opinion the rest is up to you guys

my opinion is most likely in minority

If manga isnt main focus this forum will not last long. All i see is rpg games nobody really plays it anymore.

 

[AL.]

If manga isnt main focus this forum will not last long. All i see is rpg games nobody really plays it anymore.

this forum wasn't created for manga or anime

 

[Rej]

you can't only think about players

hosts have their preferences too

I m just pointing out one of the problem there's many others

although some games require long sign ups but most of the times its bad for a game

we were talking about tos and in tos one player doesn't change anything

My solutions are also solutions for the calender.
Let a new host host a light ToS game in a light game section. Remove the new player mini games from the calendar. Only one big game at a time. One special game at a time (15-20 players).
You can shift between reg/tos so people dont have to multitab if they plan to play different games and people will also value the trad games and especially the light games more.
Isnt that the point to make the gameplay more attractive here?

This are raw ideas but I'd go into a right direction to push the gamequality and activity.

Also another idea:
More official leveling and ladder systems. It is bias but it rewards activity.
Also Salty Dubloons could be dispended for other activities. For each 100 likes received or given you get 2 salty dubloons.
Just an example. I bet this is codeable you just rly need to want it.
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If manga isnt main focus this forum will not last long. All i see is rpg games nobody really plays it anymore.

This is false, it will always be able to sustain itself if members want to. The problem is generating atractivity to get new people here.
And you dont want to aim to have mostly discussions here but also activities.

If you want discussions then you need content creators and content creator became rare. After OJ disbanded alot of theorists retired. A reason there is less content. Dunno what happened to all artists. They are gone too and this makes alot of artists unreliable in order to sustain a art section for example. OJ also needed new people or artists to sustain their contests the tendency was going down.

This is a general problem that content creators are less and less common. Ask me, I was a content creator for free and it is a hardass job, rly. Especially if you consider building up something out of it...

If you dont have content creators then you rely on the "big mass". You have to go the basic ways of gaining attractivity.
Less quality more quantity. Quantity via shipping and powerlevel talks.
Again I suggest considering the real improvements needed and not quantity cuz we all know quantity =/= quality.

 

[Jacob]

Finally found time to read the opening post.


The OP visibility is already there with OP RP section. And calling this forum after a OP Shop while OP RP is one of the main parts of the forum is reasonable.


I see no real need for this. But changing the link from "Anime & Manga" to "Series Gallery" is necessary.



This is going to far and would undergo for what this forum was actually created for.



Just would cause confusion. But pull them out of the "Chitchat" and directly put FCs and Groups as Miscellnaous subforum would be nice.



This is actually a great idea! @Larsi @Shion would you plz move Theories from "Entertainment" to "Series Gallery"


As mentioned before you have to create these events in your own or try to find others and mods will definetly support you.



You can create these on your own. If you look them up you will find out fast not all of these threads are created by the mods.



I think you can create also both in your own.


Too much Broadcast can become annoying. Should be only used for important things. Smaller things can be announced through alert system.



Never heard about unreasonable post deletion.



Especially in the beginning of a new Forum the Staff Team has to be active and Push threads. Also reddit and discord advertisement would be nice.

Some of your reason are bad do you guys really dont want activity in manga threads. All i see bunch of rpg games where limited people play.
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My solutions are also solutions for the calender.
Let a new host host a light ToS game in a light game section. Remove the new player mini games from the calendar. Only one big game at a time. One special game at a time (15-20 players).
You can shift between reg/tos so people dont have to multitab if they plan to play different games and people will also value the trad games and especially the light games more.
Isnt that the point to make the gameplay more attractive here?

This are raw ideas but I'd go into a right direction to push the gamequality and activity.

Also another idea:
More official leveling and ladder systems. It is bias but it rewards activity.
Also Salty Dubloons could be dispended for other activities. For each 100 likes received or given you get 2 salty dubloons.
Just an example. I bet this is codeable you just rly need to want it.
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This is false, it will always be able to sustain itself if members want to. The problem is generating atractivity to get new people here.
And you dont want to aim to have mostly discussions here but also activities.

If you want discussions then you need content creators and content creator became rare. After OJ disbanded alot of theorists retired. A reason there is less content. Dunno what happened to all artists. They are gone too and this makes alot of artists unreliable in order to sustain a art section for example. OJ also needed new people or artists to sustain their contests the tendency was going down.

This is a general problem that content creators are less and less common. Ask me, I was a content creator for free and it is a hardass job, rly. Especially if you consider building up something out of it...

If you dont have content creators then you rely on the "big mass". You have to go the basic ways of gaining attractivity.
Less quality more quantity. Quantity via shipping and powerlevel talks.
Again I suggest considering the real improvements needed and not quantity cuz we all know quantity =/= quality.

Ya if owner is rich boi this place will last long . Honestly fan sites dont generate much of revenue. Talking of paying rent and rank search index in google. Ya honestly its upon owner of this site what he wants eitherway.

 

[Rej]

Some of your reason are bad do you guys really dont want activity in manga threads. All i see bunch of rpg games where limited people play.
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Ya if owner is rich boi this place will last long . Honestly fan sites dont generate much of revenue. Talking of paying rent and rank search index in google. Ya honestly its upon owner of this site what he wants eitherway.

oh yeah, you need to kickstart some ideas with money, that is true, that's why we Patreons are here
if mods need kickstart help for Advertisment, or Serverupgrade then I am the man for that, just people need to approach me.

 

[Nessos]

this is kinda going a bit far

In which way?
Its just a suggestion and in my.opinion the front page is overloaded.

 

[Rej]

also from what I have seen the roleplay section was able to get new players, I am totally null on what is going on there, but whatever methods they used (direct approach) it is or was working

^ open mindsetting, openly approaching people is also important for coop and avertisment

also discussions and feedback will come automatically if activity and enthusiasm keeps new members/players here

 

[AL.]

In which way?
Its just a suggestion and in my.opinion the front page is overloaded.

nessos tell me something why was this forum created??

you wanna downplay it now??